BQJBC Draw Weeks 10-14

[Urban Legend]

Any word on when the last 5 weeks of the draw will be released?

[Urban Legend]

BQJBC Draw is now on the BQ website for the remaining 5 rounds and the finals.

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BQJBC Draw is now on the BQ website for the remaining 5 rounds and the finals.

It seems that not all teams are playing their makeup games. Am I right and if so how is that fair

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It seems that not all teams are playing their makeup games. Am I right and if so how is that fair

As I understand it the top 4 teams from both pools will make the finals. How is this fair when one pool plays less games than the other, The pool that plays less games but has the same amount of losses will have a smaller win percentage. If it so happens that the third placed team of pool A looses 2 games and the first place team in pool B looses 2 games the ladder leader in pool B will finish 4th. And there is no reward for the team finishing on top of thier pool. Can someone shed some light on this subject?

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As I understand it the top 4 teams from both pools will make the finals. How is this fair when one pool plays less games than the other, The pool that plays less games but has the same amount of losses will have a smaller win percentage. If it so happens that the third placed team of pool A looses 2 games and the first place team in pool B looses 2 games the ladder leader in pool B will finish 4th. And there is no reward for the team finishing on top of thier pool. Can someone shed some light on this subject?

Its simple BQ dosnt care about Southern Cup, its a second rate competetion and they focus all their efforts on Premier League. The Finals system was given little thought when the decision was made to split Southern Cup into Pools and as a result, BQ decides that the same system used for Grading tournament will apply.

So yes i agree the system is unfair, and makes you wonder why BQ cant provide the same sort of fair / reasonalble comp it provides Premier League when both leagues pay the same nom fees.

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it seems BQ has lost control of things in all areas. Perhaps they dont have the right people in the job at all levels!!
Fir treatment doesnt seem their forte. Compensation should be considered

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At the end of the day its not to late to change the finals system to have top 2 in each pool cross over finals? that would make more sense.

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Its simple BQ dosnt care about Southern Cup, its a second rate competetion and they focus all their efforts on Premier League. The Finals system was given little thought when the decision was made to split Southern Cup into Pools and as a result, BQ decides that the same system used for Grading tournament will apply.

So yes i agree the system is unfair, and makes you wonder why BQ cant provide the same sort of fair / reasonalble comp it provides Premier League when both leagues pay the same nom fees.

Why have SC if BQ aren't professional enough to ensure a fair and even comp? Maybe they dont want the nomination fees of all the childrens teams in the comp, It would save me a load of money each year!

Pick your act up BQ and reward all of your patrons with a fair and even Comp, reward these kids for all thier efforts over the last 7 mth.

And anyone that says that the southern cup doesnt matter, Where have most of the premier league kids started? Most clubs use SC as a developement for the following years PL team.

All I hope is that the top 2 teams from both pools end up in the finals and the top 2 get thier home finals as they have earned for leading thier pools.

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Why have SC if BQ aren't professional enough to ensure a fair and even comp? Maybe they dont want the nomination fees of all the childrens teams in the comp, It would save me a load of money each year!

Pick your act up BQ and reward all of your patrons with a fair and even Comp, reward these kids for all thier efforts over the last 7 mth.

And anyone that says that the southern cup doesnt matter, Where have most of the premier league kids started? Most clubs use SC as a developement for the following years PL team.

All I hope is that the top 2 teams from both pools end up in the finals and the top 2 get thier home finals as they have earned for leading thier pools.

Lets not forget that there are more teams playing in Southern Cup these days and Premier League so BQs focus surely should be on improving Southern Cup next year, since this is the bigger comp?

Top 2 in each pool cross over final.

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Why have SC if BQ aren't professional enough to ensure a fair and even comp? Maybe they dont want the nomination fees of all the childrens teams in the comp, It would save me a load of money each year!

Pick your act up BQ and reward all of your patrons with a fair and even Comp, reward these kids for all thier efforts over the last 7 mth.

And anyone that says that the southern cup doesnt matter, Where have most of the premier league kids started? Most clubs use SC as a developement for the following years PL team.

All I hope is that the top 2 teams from both pools end up in the finals and the top 2 get thier home finals as they have earned for leading thier pools.

I agree the format is very unfair and discriminating to the Southern CUP Competition. It it great to see other people feelthe same why as me butdoes BQ know how we all feel. As mentioned in other messages Southern Cup has more players and parents in the league so we shoud be bombarding BQ with our concerns. Many may say why bother but the more people complain to BQ eventually they have to do something about it. THey won't allow their reputation to be tarnished.

These kids have put there heart and soul into these games and it would appear for what! To finish 1st or and 2nd in their pool and maybe not make it to the finals because the other pool has played more games, if thats the case the pool structure has definately decriminated against the other pool. BE FAIR TO ALL!!!!!.

Eventually the kids won't return to competition basketball they find other rewarding activities to do. Change the format to the top 2 teams from both pools in the finals and the top 2 get thier home finals as they have earned for leading thier pools

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I agree the format is very unfair and discriminating to the Southern CUP Competition. It it great to see other people feelthe same why as me butdoes BQ know how we all feel. As mentioned in other messages Southern Cup has more players and parents in the league so we shoud be bombarding BQ with our concerns. Many may say why bother but the more people complain to BQ eventually they have to do something about it. THey won't allow their reputation to be tarnished.

These kids have put there heart and soul into these games and it would appear for what! To finish 1st or and 2nd in their pool and maybe not make it to the finals because the other pool has played more games, if thats the case the pool structure has definately decriminated against the other pool. BE FAIR TO ALL!!!!!.

Eventually the kids won't return to competition basketball they find other rewarding activities to do. Change the format to the top 2 teams from both pools in the finals and the top 2 get thier home finals as they have earned for leading thier pools


Grow up! thats what the rules are deal with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Grow up! thats what the rules are deal with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes thats the rules and people have a fair genuine argument here what dam right do you have to tell people to grow up

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Grow up! thats what the rules are deal with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds just like BQ management!!

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I doubt BQ will change their minds now.

Rest assured they will get the message though. Lets hope they are better organised next year.

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I doubt BQ will change their minds now.

Rest assured they will get the message though. Lets hope they are better organised next year.
Too much to do taking Christmas holidays and junkets to Coffs Harbour to have any concerns for the people who pay for it. Cant see how next year will be any different from previous with the current GM and his ever decreasing team.

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Grow up! thats what the rules are deal with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That rule was only decided 2 weeks ago, via an email to BQJBC delagates (it isnt written in the rule book). Reality is BQ had plenty of time to make a better decision.

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Too much to do taking Christmas holidays and junkets to Coffs Harbour to have any concerns for the people who pay for it. Cant see how next year will be any different from previous with the current GM and his ever decreasing team.

In the good old days you would just play with who you had and use the bench, If the coach was away then the assisant would do it. The only makeup games should be for stadium problems.
Itis like aking up games because you have injuries. All soft nd Bullshit BQ!!!!!!!

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That rule was only decided 2 weeks ago, via an email to BQJBC delagates (it isnt written in the rule book). Reality is BQ had plenty of time to make a better decision.

So what is the final decision? How are the finals going to be determined? Are they compensating the 7 team pool somehow to get an even result. And why is it measured on win percentage? Why not give the teams with a bye a win and then work it out on points. Does that make any sense? Its only a suggestion.

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So what is the final decision? How are the finals going to be determined? Are they compensating the 7 team pool somehow to get an even result. And why is it measured on win percentage? Why not give the teams with a bye a win and then work it out on points. Does that make any sense? Its only a suggestion.

BQ hasnt changed their mind. Doubt they will. They are using the same system that was used for grading tournament, which is explained in the BQJBC rules.

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I can't find the BQ rules on their new website, so I'll take from the last post they are using W/L % to grade all teams to get the top 4.

A 9-3 will give a 75% record, a 10-4 in the other pool a 71%.

Should just go top 2 in each pool.

Another issue to consider next year, is for them to try and split teams (ie. redlands 1 & 2, the 2 Gold Coast teams in the other pool). They both play each other in the last few weeks. No-one wants a perception of results being manufactureed to ensure someone makes the play-offs.

Something to look at for next year.

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I think its the same system used for swap over challenge. which is your basic wins% etc.

Interesting situation developing in U18 pools. You have Titans and Ippy undeafted in pool a and b (they will get a spot no worries) then you have the following in Pool A:

Cab Suns 6 and 4
North Wiz 5 and 4
Noosa 5 and 4
Northen Pines (im assuming they beat suns 2) also 5 and 4

In Pool B:

Gold Coast 2 9 and 2 (and a good chance of going to finals)
South West Purple 7 and 4

Which i think means that South West Purple would go through (if finals were decided now) ahead of the 2nd place from Pool A as they have more wins - cause they have played more games?? is that right?

anyway just 1 situation to keep an eye on i guess?

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I think its the same system used for swap over challenge. which is your basic wins% etc.

Interesting situation developing in U18 pools. You have Titans and Ippy undeafted in pool a and b (they will get a spot no worries) then you have the following in Pool A:

Cab Suns 6 and 4
North Wiz 5 and 4
Noosa 5 and 4
Northen Pines (im assuming they beat suns 2) also 5 and 4

In Pool B:

Gold Coast 2 9 and 2 (and a good chance of going to finals)
South West Purple 7 and 4

Which i think means that South West Purple would go through (if finals were decided now) ahead of the 2nd place from Pool A as they have more wins - cause they have played more games?? is that right?

anyway just 1 situation to keep an eye on i guess?

Facing the same in u16. As it stands GC will make the finals ahead of Redlands 1.

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In light of the above circumstances i reckon bq will change the finals system. They must surely realise they have made a mistake?

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U18 South West purple - 3rd pool b still ahead of Cab Suns - 2nd pool A to claim a semi finals birth.

U16 Gold Coast Rollers -3rd Pool B still ahead of Redlands 2 - 2nd pool A to claim a semi finals birth. In fact GC is ahead of Redlands 1 - 1st in Pool A to get a finals spot.

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U18 South West purple - 3rd pool b still ahead of Cab Suns - 2nd pool A to claim a semi finals birth.

U16 Gold Coast Rollers -3rd Pool B still ahead of Redlands 2 - 2nd pool A to claim a semi finals birth. In fact GC is ahead of Redlands 1 - 1st in Pool A to get a finals spot.

Looks like redlands wont even get home court final, if things continue the way they are.

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Looks like redlands wont even get home court final, if things continue the way they are.

Check the ladder again idiot, redlands 2 are no 1 with only 2 losses and a higher percentage than GC and yes it looks like they wont get a home final or will Metro beat Toowoomba in final round to give em a game at home?

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Check the ladder again idiot, redlands 2 are no 1 with only 2 losses and a higher percentage than GC and yes it looks like they wont get a home final or will Metro beat Toowoomba in final round to give em a game at home?

yeah but everyone knows that redlands 1 are the better team and deserve the finals spot. haha just kidding chill out man.. just a mistake.

Anyway my point is the finals system suck, and redlands who have been the better association in Pool A most likely wont even get a home semi final. Which is probably a big deal??

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yeah but everyone knows that redlands 1 are the better team and deserve the finals spot. haha just kidding chill out man.. just a mistake.

Anyway my point is the finals system suck, and redlands who have been the better association in Pool A most likely wont even get a home semi final. Which is probably a big deal??

Sorry for snapping. But the club deserves a home final. We are all about 'the club' and are looking foward to having both U16 teams in the finals, after all that was both the coachs goal at season start. We are proud of our boys and the 2 team has passed all of our expectations. Good luck to all teams leading into the finals, and may all parents remember that this is the kids game so support your club and teams.

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Im guessing BQ wont change the system until the final week, when they have to. right now they are sitting back and hoping everything turns out the way it should with top 2 teams in each pool getting through.

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Sorry for snapping. But the club deserves a home final. We are all about 'the club' and are looking foward to having both U16 teams in the finals, after all that was both the coachs goal at season start. We are proud of our boys and the 2 team has passed all of our expectations. Good luck to all teams leading into the finals, and may all parents remember that this is the kids game so support your club and teams.

Agree the top 2 should go through.

Don't think you guys (or anyone) should be put in the situation where both teams in the same pool. Actually, that would be funny - say red 1 coming 1st or 2nd in pool A and missing out, but Red 2 coming 3rd or 4th in the other pool and getting "in" due to playing 2 more games. Maybe then, the flaws would be fixed!

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Agree the top 2 should go through.

Don't think you guys (or anyone) should be put in the situation where both teams in the same pool. Actually, that would be funny - say red 1 coming 1st or 2nd in pool A and missing out, but Red 2 coming 3rd or 4th in the other pool and getting "in" due to playing 2 more games. Maybe then, the flaws would be fixed!

BQ need to have grading challenge and split up 1st and 2nd teams in clubs. It takes away any intra-club rivalry and any possibility of games bieng thrown to better ladders. Lets see what BQ do for next season? At the end of the day we would have preffered to be in seperate pools. It would have been nice if BQ were consistant and had a few double headers to make up the difference in the number of games between the 2 pools. They have done it in the U12s SC comp. Why not all uneven pools? Any ways we are proud of our teams and are waiting on results to see if we get a home final (go Metro)!

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ive been thinking about this year its my 2nd rep season in Qld and i did like the old way.

but i see positives in the new way but also the negitives.

people have said to me that preimer league is good now that there are no 100 pts thrashings but they now happen in sthn cup. you get teams that should be div 1 playing teams that are on the weak side of division 2 getting thrashed i think they should look at maybe a 3 tier competition as people dont want one sided games but the associations that have some depth and can field 3 teams can get hurt by the ones that have a good first team.

I like the 8 team premier league but how about a 1st division where the associations with a strong 2nd team can play the sides that just miss out on the premier league can have a strong hit out and then have the southern cup as a true division 2 competition.

I had this though as looking across the board the and the cross over challenge some of the sides that missed out on div 1 by a couple of points still missed out by a couple of points playing some opponents that were just a training run.

it will also give the sides that are just off the pace of premier league a good opition and gauge of where they are at.

with promotion/relagition it could be percentage based if the bottom team is say below 60% of the top team and in the division below the top team is 30% about it should be a straight swap as the bottom team is not competiting and the top lower division is clearly thrashing everyone.

with classics wild card opitions it would make for a better chance if a couple of the teams had some premier league experance.

it could also mean that this split in the pols wouldnt need to happen hence this unfair finals system and for the sake of the smaller places diffrent venues can hold finals rather than it all at one venue so money can be shared smaller associations.
And they can have the chance for a home final and have the referees on had to manage so many games

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I agree with a 3 division of comp particularly in the bigger age groups.

Last year they did this for U16 Boys sth cup (16teams). where the new year started (beginning of 2007) with the top 8 teams on the ladder spliting from the bottom 8 teams on the ladder. This resulted in a much even comp for all teams involved, and it just so happened that each team played each other once prior to finals, which was a really fair system.

The two pools are in place so that there is less travel involved ie. north pool and south pool. but i reckon for the sack of a better comp people would rather have pools determined by stength of teams and not necessarily geographical location.

Something to think about for next season.

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I agree with your suggestion, they did this split in classics last year and some of the developing teams (div 3) got the chance to play in a finals format.RE: U16boys. As for cutting down teams travelling last year, in SC u14 everyone travelled everywhere, and I have to say we enjoyed visiting the different associations. Is that what they did this year (nth - sth)? I think it was pretty even between the 2 pools as far as travelling. But seemed to be more 3rd teams in PoolB

But there was a few teams in poolB that were alot weaker than some of the bottom few in poolA, so we need 3 divisions where we are able to fill teams, eg U16 boys. PoolA should have had make-up games/rounds to even it out then you would get an even result at the end of the season or maybe teams like Brisbane Bronze, Logan etc should play-off for Div 3 just like classics?

Anyways, my prediction for the semi-finals of U16 boy SC:-

SW Metro v Redlands 1 - Redlands 1 in an upset by 6pts

Redlands 2 v Toowoomba - Toowoomba in a hard match',maybe a 1pt game - depends where its played and if Redlands turns up to play (re: result 2 wks ago).

Any other thoughts on finals predictions?

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i wrote the first post on the spliting of 3 divisions and i see that there is referance to the under 16 sth cup last year i was coaching in that competition and it was a FANTASTIC idea i didnt mind driving a few hours for a game as it was evenly matched and it was a great formatt.

it is clear that if we want to perserve the stenght of basketball go with an experment that worked well.

we all agree that its an unfair system.

im involved with gold coast and this year we put the emphasis on our 3rd team being a devolment team to build for next year and im sure thats the same angle that brisbane and districs take when they have 3 teams.

im all for teh a top 8 premier league a next 8 1st divison ( as with 12 clubs redlands and jimboomba ) there needs to be some where for them to strive get to as a first goal .

and a true sthn cup for teams based on 3rd teams from big assns and 2nd teams from smaller assns (not to say that these teams cannot play up if strong enough.

using this formatt the grading carnival can involve every one by sending your top team and maybe 2nd team (big assns) to the permier grade carnival and the rest can try for the remaining div 1 spots that dont get filled from the premier carnival .
which judging by last year with be 4-6 spots as there was 10-12 teams trying to make premier grade.

any how love to hear what people think especly from smaller assns the more that like it we may see it happen im sure bq people either read these posts or hear form people the do.

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In an ideal world:
Div 1 - Top 8 (all from different associations)
Div 2 - Next 8 to 10. (again, all from different associations - but it may be one assoc's top side, another assocs 2nd side.
Div 3 - The rest

Trouble is that an assocs 2nd side may be good enough to play in Div 1 as well. If not allowed to play up, they will absolutely cane the Div 2 opposition.

Other observations:
No need for the North & South divide in Southern Cup. I know BQ meant well wrt travel, but I don't think it works that well. (Then again, I'm Brisbane based. Maybe it is an issue for those at Goldy/Sunny Coasts)
If travel is an issue, would double headers be a possible answer? Instead of say Maroochy travelling to Ippy & Goldy on different weeks - could they play one game in the am, another later pm on the same day? To balance out over a season - every club would get 1 or 2 away "double headers". (eg Ippy might get a Caboolture/Maroochy gig). Goldy a Caps/Wizards etc etc Not perfect, but just a thought.

Now about a past rumour about PCYC's and Premier League. Can recall a story along the lines that PCYC's are not affiliated and can't play Premier League??? Is this true or just a beat up?? If so, be good to get it sorted so that kids can play in the best comp they can & not let red tape dictate.

Stadiums. Some showing some wear & tear. Be nice for a bucket of $$$ to be tossed basketballs way (& not just at Bullets/Blaze & the Exhibition Centres.) A couple of decent b-ball stadiums (Separate Main court with say 300 seats & 3 other inside courts) within the confines of greater Bris would be great (One north, 1 central - ie. replace the BBI possum trap & 1 south).

Refs: Hate the way b-ball treats them, almost condoning abuse. On the same token, I don't like how younger refs are often thrown to the wolves with little support mentoring from the above. Southern Cup is often full of bottom ages (palyers & refs). It is a learning experience for all, so lets ensure everyone (players/coaches/spectators & particularly refs) gets that opportunity to learn.

Best of on the w/e

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[Don't listen to rumours. Check with BQ. The PCYC players are affiliated with BQ and are eligable to player Priemier League. They are a young club who are developing quiet well. At present they have 4 teams on the top of their ladders in SC the U12 boys, U14 Boys, U16boys and U18 girls. Not a bad effort for there 1st year.

QUOTE=Unregistered;3644]In an ideal world:
Div 1 - Top 8 (all from different associations)
Div 2 - Next 8 to 10. (again, all from different associations - but it may be one assoc's top side, another assocs 2nd side.
Div 3 - The rest

Trouble is that an assocs 2nd side may be good enough to play in Div 1 as well. If not allowed to play up, they will absolutely cane the Div 2 opposition.

Other observations:
No need for the North & South divide in Southern Cup. I know BQ meant well wrt travel, but I don't think it works that well. (Then again, I'm Brisbane based. Maybe it is an issue for those at Goldy/Sunny Coasts)
If travel is an issue, would double headers be a possible answer? Instead of say Maroochy travelling to Ippy & Goldy on different weeks - could they play one game in the am, another later pm on the same day? To balance out over a season - every club would get 1 or 2 away "double headers". (eg Ippy might get a Caboolture/Maroochy gig). Goldy a Caps/Wizards etc etc Not perfect, but just a thought.

Now about a past rumour about PCYC's and Premier League. Can recall a story along the lines that PCYC's are not affiliated and can't play Premier League??? Is this true or just a beat up?? If so, be good to get it sorted so that kids can play in the best comp they can & not let red tape dictate.

Stadiums. Some showing some wear & tear. Be nice for a bucket of $$$ to be tossed basketballs way (& not just at Bullets/Blaze & the Exhibition Centres.) A couple of decent b-ball stadiums (Separate Main court with say 300 seats & 3 other inside courts) within the confines of greater Bris would be great (One north, 1 central - ie. replace the BBI possum trap & 1 south).

Refs: Hate the way b-ball treats them, almost condoning abuse. On the same token, I don't like how younger refs are often thrown to the wolves with little support mentoring from the above. Southern Cup is often full of bottom ages (palyers & refs). It is a learning experience for all, so lets ensure everyone (players/coaches/spectators & particularly refs) gets that opportunity to learn.

Best of on the w/e[/QUOTE]

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QUOTE=Unregistered;3644]In an ideal world:
Div 1 - Top 8 (all from different associations)
Div 2 - Next 8 to 10. (again, all from different associations - but it may be one assoc's top side, another assocs 2nd side.
Div 3 - The rest

Trouble is that an assocs 2nd side may be good enough to play in Div 1 as well. If not allowed to play up, they will absolutely cane the Div 2 opposition.

Other observations:
No need for the North & South divide in Southern Cup. I know BQ meant well wrt travel, but I don't think it works that well. (Then again, I'm Brisbane based. Maybe it is an issue for those at Goldy/Sunny Coasts)
If travel is an issue, would double headers be a possible answer? Instead of say Maroochy travelling to Ippy & Goldy on different weeks - could they play one game in the am, another later pm on the same day? To balance out over a season - every club would get 1 or 2 away "double headers". (eg Ippy might get a Caboolture/Maroochy gig). Goldy a Caps/Wizards etc etc Not perfect, but just a thought.

Now about a past rumour about PCYC's and Premier League. Can recall a story along the lines that PCYC's are not affiliated and can't play Premier League??? Is this true or just a beat up?? If so, be good to get it sorted so that kids can play in the best comp they can & not let red tape dictate.

Stadiums. Some showing some wear & tear. Be nice for a bucket of $$$ to be tossed basketballs way (& not just at Bullets/Blaze & the Exhibition Centres.) A couple of decent b-ball stadiums (Separate Main court with say 300 seats & 3 other inside courts) within the confines of greater Bris would be great (One north, 1 central - ie. replace the BBI possum trap & 1 south).

Refs: Hate the way b-ball treats them, almost condoning abuse. On the same token, I don't like how younger refs are often thrown to the wolves with little support mentoring from the above. Southern Cup is often full of bottom ages (palyers & refs). It is a learning experience for all, so lets ensure everyone (players/coaches/spectators & particularly refs) gets that opportunity to learn.

Best of on the w/e[/QUOTE]

[Don't listen to rumours. Check with BQ. The PCYC players are affiliated with BQ and are eligable to player Priemier League. They are a young club who are developing quiet well. At present they have 4 teams on the top of their ladders in SC the U12 boys, U14 Boys, U16boys and U18 girls. Not a bad effort for there 1st year.

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Best of on the w/e[/QUOTE]

[Don't listen to rumours. Check with BQ. The PCYC players are affiliated with BQ and are eligable to player Priemier League. They are a young club who are developing quiet well. At present they have 4 teams on the top of their ladders in SC the U12 boys, U14 Boys, U16boys and U18 girls. Not a bad effort for there 1st year.[/QUOTE]

No they are not until they pay full rate of membership for all basketballesr in facility. THey are not going to be allowed to play division one until this is fixed. Trust me lots of fully paid up clubs are just waiting fro BQ to try and sneak a rule change through. Once PCYC pay rate of $48 per member then they can play. Why should the likes of Redlands PCYC get to keep approx $20,000 in income that disadvantages properly affiliated clubs. NO PCYC will not ne playing division one for a long time.

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Im all for a grading tournament for all associations / teams to compete in. At the moment Noosa cant attend a BQ grading tournament to challenge for Premier league spot as we dont nominate teams for all age groups, and therefore even if we are good enough (not saying we are) we are not elible for Div 1. Kinda unfair just because we are a small association, when other associations can send multiple teams to a grading tournament. The format needs rethinking.

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Im all for a grading tournament for all associations / teams to compete in. At the moment Noosa cant attend a BQ grading tournament to challenge for Premier league spot as we dont nominate teams for all age groups, and therefore even if we are good enough (not saying we are) we are not elible for Div 1. Kinda unfair just because we are a small association, when other associations can send multiple teams to a grading tournament. The format needs rethinking.

You can challenge for a spot in PL if you finsh 1 or 2 in the 2nd divisoin at the end of the first round. You also must be a full member of BQ. Meet those criteria and you can challenge all you want. Kinda fair I reckon, gives all full member associations the chance to compete.

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No they are not until they pay full rate of membership for all basketballesr in facility. THey are not going to be allowed to play division one until this is fixed. Trust me lots of fully paid up clubs are just waiting fro BQ to try and sneak a rule change through. Once PCYC pay rate of $48 per member then they can play. Why should the likes of Redlands PCYC get to keep approx $20,000 in income that disadvantages properly affiliated clubs. NO PCYC will not ne playing division one for a long time.[/QUOTE]

What do you have against Redlands PCYC? I was talking to a parent there a couple of weeks ago and they joined last year with 2 teams after many years out of BQ. This year they had 9/10 I think. They are a volunteer based club that get a lot of support from parents and families (not saying we all don't). They are a non-profit organisation that provide activities for the youth of Australia. Thats what the PCYC is.
From my understanding other clubs (in the local area) prices are more expencive, even above the affiliation fees. Not everyone can afford to pay SD fees and compulsory $100 camps to be involved in a BQ comp.
Thats why players are moving to Redlands from Carina (so I was told), that and all the politics that go on there (just read the crap that goes on in this site). Hence the comments above. Maybe its effecting someone business? Get over it and have joy in the fact that there is fresh competition coming to BQ comps. And more kids are getting involve in basketball.
Just incase you haven't noticed the sport is going through some tough times (kings and Bullets) and its the youth that will keep it going. So we need all the kids we can get.

Good luck to all the Redlands teams who made the Southern Cup finals and I hope we do see you in Premier League soon. They beat our team twice in a couple of good games and deserve their spot. But next year we'll get you back. LOL. And GL.

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when i wrote this thought it was based on the premier leauge being the top 8 teams even if one assn had more than 1 team good on them for building a good programme
division 1 the next 8 teams based on strengh no where did i say who should and shouldnt beable to play a grade or how many teams assns wrer allowed to play.


with redlands go on them for being happy and if bq is going to allow them to pay less fees then good on them hope they dont get too strong for the lower divisions

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I think everyone has forgotten about the Toowoomba teams who are featuring in almost all the southern cup finals, maybe they need to put in premier league with several teams with one defeat or none at all! Did they go to the premier league challenges?
I heard that last years 14s southern cup side was relegated because they didn't win a game the previous year and went through with one defeat, only to lose to Brisbane Bronze in a "home grand final". Something to think about!

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Surely the top 8 teams in the Premier League should be the best 8 teams in SQ in that age division.

Whether that be teams from Redlands, Noosa, Toowoomba or elsewhere. And if Noosa only have a Boys u18 team & a Girls U12 team, but if they are good enough to be in the best 8 teams, they should play P League. Is the pre-req of only allowing associations a P-league spot if the field sides in all age divisions really a good one??

So my solution - a 2 weekend comp of all teams in each age group (maybe 8 half games). This should be enough to get a good idea of who are the best 8 teams - They go through. So U16 Boys could be: Marooch, Ipp, Bris, Gold Coast 1, Gold Coast 2, SW, Noosa, Redlands

U14 Girls; Run Bay, Toow1, Toow2, Caboolt, Pine Rivers, SD1, Wizards.

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I have no problem with above concept at long at everyone is on equal terms both on and off the floor. Why should Redlands reap rewrads when they do not contribute to sports developement at same rate as other big and smaller Associations. Noosa pay more to BQ then does Redlands and they are smaller. We are all about the kids but sure would be nice not to have to put so much money into BQ coffers. Redlands need to all do right thing and then there is no issue. In the mean while enjoy playing at the level you pay for.

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Forgot to enquire - who eventually made up the U16 SC final 4?? Two from each pool or "other"?

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can we just forget about what redlands pay

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can we just forget about what redlands pay

Tell us all what do Relands pay we would all like to know do the know the amount? Seems such a lot of talk about it!

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Forgot to enquire - who eventually made up the U16 SC final 4?? Two from each pool or "other"?


OTHER

1st South West Metro Pool B
2nd Redlands 2 Pool A
3rd Toowoomba Pool B
4th GC Rollers Pool B

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Whom ever is got their back up over Redlands is just causing a stir and everyone is biting well. I'm sure BQ wouldn't let them play if they weren't paying the correct fees. As for the $20,000 BQ are missing out on from Redlands, what exactly do we get for this money? Someone please tell me, as a parent I fork out for training camps and Bullets games and to watch poor refereeing week in and week out. We all pay the BQ staff to pick biased teams for Queensland sides and get nice little holidays down to Port Mac etc. Come on when BQ puts something back into the game then I'll take notice of what other associations pay!

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Whom ever is got their back up over Redlands is just causing a stir and everyone is biting well. I'm sure BQ wouldn't let them play if they weren't paying the correct fees. As for the $20,000 BQ are missing out on from Redlands, what exactly do we get for this money? Someone please tell me, as a parent I fork out for training camps and Bullets games and to watch poor refereeing week in and week out. We all pay the BQ staff to pick biased teams for Queensland sides and get nice little holidays down to Port Mac etc. Come on when BQ puts something back into the game then I'll take notice of what other associations pay!

Redlands have 600 members, or more, they pay BQ $15 a head for. Total $9000 in year. Redlands then also pay BQ an additional $33 for 100 rep players who enter Cup competitions. Total $12,300.

Noosa have 300 members and pay $48 per head which is $14,400.

BBI have 2000 members and pay $48 amounting to $96,000

Logan have 700 members and pay $34,000 a year

Districts have 1200 and pay $58,000 a year

SWM have 800 and pay $38,400 a year.


Simple maths.

My guess is that the administration at Redlands is happy to stay in Cup divisions or they would have to find an extra $15,000 from monies they charge which would bring them into reality. Then if they do, which I hope they do, they will have to commit to service and not profit to keep members happy. Redlands members are not really getting value for money and perhaps time fro BQ to meet with members and sort it out. If I were a Redlands parent I would want my child able to access the best competitions. All it will take is for Redlands admin to get all members, senior and junior to pay BQ the right rate. The other way is for BQ to have the likes of BBI pay lesser amount and watch what happens to the extra $66,000 a year thery would have for their juniors development.
Second option is best I feel but that would mean BQ reducing technical staff. Hey but then with the bigger Associations having more money we probably will not need them anyway.

Simple logic.

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Redlands have 600 members, or more, they pay BQ $15 a head for. Total $9000 in year. Redlands then also pay BQ an additional $33 for 100 rep players who enter Cup competitions. Total $12,300.

Noosa have 300 members and pay $48 per head which is $14,400.

BBI have 2000 members and pay $48 amounting to $96,000

Logan have 700 members and pay $34,000 a year

Districts have 1200 and pay $58,000 a year

SWM have 800 and pay $38,400 a year.


Simple maths.

My guess is that the administration at Redlands is happy to stay in Cup divisions or they would have to find an extra $15,000 from monies they charge which would bring them into reality. Then if they do, which I hope they do, they will have to commit to service and not profit to keep members happy. Redlands members are not really getting value for money and perhaps time fro BQ to meet with members and sort it out. If I were a Redlands parent I would want my child able to access the best competitions. All it will take is for Redlands admin to get all members, senior and junior to pay BQ the right rate. The other way is for BQ to have the likes of BBI pay lesser amount and watch what happens to the extra $66,000 a year thery would have for their juniors development.
Second option is best I feel but that would mean BQ reducing technical staff. Hey but then with the bigger Associations having more money we probably will not need them anyway.

Simple logic.

So what your saying is Noosa gets ripped off. As they are a small association BQ wont let them enter in a grading tournament (even tho they pay full fees). They are probably better off just paying the same as redlands as they are only allowed to play southern cup anyway??

And the cross over challenge is a joke, if your good enough at the start of the season then you should be able to start in premier league not have to wait till cross over challenge.

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So what your saying is Noosa gets ripped off. As they are a small association BQ wont let them enter in a grading tournament (even tho they pay full fees). They are probably better off just paying the same as redlands as they are only allowed to play southern cup anyway??

And the cross over challenge is a joke, if your good enough at the start of the season then you should be able to start in premier league not have to wait till cross over challenge.

Man are you that DUMB? Go back and read what was posted earlier...its been SPELLED out to you.

I reckon/hope your just a shit stirer, cause if your'e that dumb I truely fear for your safety when crossing the street and doing any other normal day to day activities???

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Man are you that DUMB? Go back and read what was posted earlier...its been SPELLED out to you.

I reckon/hope your just a shit stirer, cause if your'e that dumb I truely fear for your safety when crossing the street and doing any other normal day to day activities???

learn to spell "you habe no idea" then maybe you can tell other people they are dumb. hahaha

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watch poor refereeing week in and week out!

I am sure we can find a whistle for you so we can lift the standard

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I am sure we can find a whistle for you so we can lift the standard
Why would I want to do that when I'm forking out my hard earned cash paying someone else to do it? You take the money, so do the job you are paid for...properly. And cut the lip.

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Why would I want to do that when I'm forking out my hard earned cash paying someone else to do it? You take the money, so do the job you are paid for...properly. And cut the lip.

Thanks for answering for me! But can someone please tell me what we get from BQ that is worth all this money we (all assoc.) pay? No offence to BQ, but I dont see it. What is the junior developement above keeps mentioning?

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oh yeah I do referee, cause I couldn't stand the s--t calls my kids got and thought I would do something about it. And no I'm not a perfect ref, but at least I call a good game. I am being coached and I have always reviewing my own games where I can. I guess I'll develop myself!

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Not sure why Redlands are copping so much grief.

FWIW - the Redlands kids we played against this year appeared very well coached, played in good spirit, and there seems to be heaps of them! So just keep doing what you're doing!!

Best of for the finals.

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Not sure why Redlands are copping so much grief.

FWIW - the Redlands kids we played against this year appeared very well coached, played in good spirit, and there seems to be heaps of them! So just keep doing what you're doing!!

Best of for the finals.

Thanks