Next U18 Classics- Sept. 2008

[Urban Legend]

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned already here.

Remember this is still at the proposal stage.

Extract from article (http://www.sportingpulse.com/pics/53/13/5313748_firstfileFILE.pdf) on BQ website:

The timing for the Under 16 and 18 Junior State Classics has been to
accommodate the timing of the National Championships. Basketball
Australia has advised that the National Championships for the Under 18
National Championships will be moved to April from 2009. The reason for
the change is the fact that in 2006 FIBA decided that there would be a
change in the categories of FIBA World Championships with the introduction in 2010 of the Under 17 Men’s and Women’s Champion every
two years. In addition, the FIBA Men’s and Women’s Championship would
be held every two years and the FIBA Under 21 Men’s and Women’s
Championship would be removed from the calendar after the 2007 Women’s
Under 21 Championship.

This change affects the preparation of the National Under 19 Men’s and
Women’s Championships being held in June/July every second year (i.e.
2009 and 2011). It will also affect 2010 with the first of the Under 17 Men’s
and Women’s Champions being held.

In addition to this, Australia has been committed to competing in the
annual William Jones Tournament which is held in July each year. In 2008
the Australian Under 19 Men’s Team, the Emus, will compete in the
tournament which will be held from 10 to 18 July. The Women’s event will
be held 20 to 25 July. Athletes eligible for Under 18 Australian
Championships who are selected for the Emus would; therefore, not be able
to compete in the 2008 Under 18 Australian Championships for their State.

Under 18 State Classics - Impact
Due to the fact that the proposed dates will be selecting players based on
their age in the following year (i.e. it will be based on the players age at 31
December in the following year - the date in which the National
Championships are held) if this proposal is accepted it would mean that we
would have to start the cycle this year in order to select teams to compete in the 2009 Under 18 National Championships.

This means that we would have to hold two Under 18 State Classics in
2008, one in April and a second in September. As the Champion Schools
Tournament is played in the two days prior to the Spring School Holidays
and the first two days of this break (18 to 21 September this year); it is felt
that the Under 18 State Classics should be held in the Second Week of the
School Holidays with the proposed dates of 30 September to 4 October
2008.

The main considerations in this are:

1. The impact on the players selected in the State Teams of having to
compete in and train for BQJBC while meeting their State Team
commitments; and

2. The proximity of the Queensland Champion Schools Tournament.
The Board of Basketball Queensland also considered holding the Under 18
Classics in January (but felt that this would not be a popular option given
this has traditionally been a rest time for players and their parents) and
June/July (but thought that clashes with QABL and the various
Development Leagues would hinder preparation and participation in the
event). Consequently, the Board feels that this is the best option for the
Under 18 Classics.

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Mann how crazy are the new times proposed for the U18s Classics...

But what im confused even more about is when will they fit in (if they do) the BQJBC , TON & Central Cup??

What does everyone else think?

Also where are they U18s Classics planned to be held?

[Unregistered]

It is the dumbest decision in the history of Basketball Queensland.

(and there have been plenty of dumb ones)

Just outlines the complete lack of direction and management in BQ at the moment.

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With classics in september 2008, will there still be premier league?
It would have to start pretty soon wouldn't it??

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why dont they do them at the start of the christmas break to give everyone more time??????

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Just looking at the U18 girls state team, there are already 5 bottom age in the current team plus the 3 reserves are bottom age. That leaves 2 places for next year's team, Gretel is a given plus 1 other. The classics shouldn't be run just to pick a state team or should I say to pick 1 player. Think about all the other players involved. The other states choose state teams by running trials for those players who are interested in trying out. Perhaps BQ could do something similar.

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why dont they do them at the start of the christmas break to give everyone more time??????

Because BQ believes (and has outlined) that this time is a break period of Basketball and give parents, families and even the players some time off basketball...

Which is true!

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There seems to be an understanding that the State teams are picked from Classics. This couldnt be further from the truth.

We have been told over and over again by BQ over the past 5 or so years that the team is not selected from Classics. In fact you dont even have to play at the classics to qualify.

The State teams are basically 95% sorted out before classics. Which is the way it should be. The squads have had more training sessions and tryouts etc than another State in Australia up to this point. (in fact QLD are close to breaking the rules in relation to the amount of preparation time the team gets) The coaching staff have already the team picked in their heads, and generally it would have to take something really special to occur at classics for them to change that. They have had the previous 4 months go over and over again which combination will make the best 10 to represent the State. They have seen the players train and play over and over again.

With that said, there is no reason to have another classics later in this year to pick another squad for the state team to play next year.


Just have open trials in Oct for whoever wants to trial. A squad can be selected and then they can continue to train. Team can be picked in Feb/Mar 09.

Premier League for all age groups should run in the caledar year.

Oct-Jan - should be a designated offseason with no competitions, and only development camps/tours etc (the current setup with the u12/14 season is just crazy - 11 month season).


Hopefully someone shows some leadership on this, and doesnt just listed to association adminstrators who will just give feedback on what suits them rather than what is best for the developement of the game (which includes making the game accessible to all families from a $$s and time point of view). Proposing another classics this year is just a waste of time and a further impost on family/athletes time. Unfortunately without a coaching director or someone who understand the game in the BQ office, the game is in hands of administrators who dont really get IT.

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why dont they do them at the start of the christmas break to give everyone more time??????

If classics was held at the start of the Summer holidays it would still give everyone plenty of time off, better option I think than September. Holding a classics at end of September would mean teams having to go back into training in a couple of months, this is to early, and very little time for associations to get organised. How long has this been on the agenda? Why are BQ just doing something about it now, poor planning obviously.

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If there classics have nothing to do with state selection then why have them this September - start next year with the change from April 2009 to September 2009. Why do we have to have Classics September 2008, twice in same year - it just doesn't make any sense.

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Cmo ppl give bq a brak for god sakes..

i think its a great idea that there chosing state squad from a september classics..

i know a lot of ppl with a lot of skills to be state players but are to afraid to go to the tryouts.
i say y not

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because it is a waste of money, volunteers time etc.

why should the nothern teams fly south just to pick a squad?

or why should the southern teams fly south again just to pick a squad.

BQ fundraiser - they make money out of it. thats the only possible reason for such a dumb ass consideration.

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Cmo ppl give bq a brak for god sakes..

i think its a great idea that there chosing state squad from a september classics..

i know a lot of ppl with a lot of skills to be state players but are to afraid to go to the tryouts.
i say y not
Then they havent got the skills to be State representatives.

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If there classics have nothing to do with state selection then why have them this September - start next year with the change from April 2009 to September 2009. Why do we have to have Classics September 2008, twice in same year - it just doesn't make any sense.

Because then one age group misses a classics? the classics in September isnt for the same lot that just had classics, its for the bottom agers and the top age 16's, so its for the 18 season that would generally have there classics next April, exept instead of it being in April its in September this year. It is to correspond with Nationals, do we really want our state team to have a week prep for nationals? no, take it on board guys, they pick a SQUAD from classics in september, and cut it back, i agree having classics before BQJBC will seem weird, but look at it like a pre season tournament...

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Because then one age group misses a classics? the classics in September isnt for the same lot that just had classics, its for the bottom agers and the top age 16's, so its for the 18 season that would generally have there classics next April, exept instead of it being in April its in September this year. It is to correspond with Nationals, do we really want our state team to have a week prep for nationals? no, take it on board guys, they pick a SQUAD from classics in september, and cut it back, i agree having classics before BQJBC will seem weird, but look at it like a pre season tournament...

How do they miss out on a classics?? They have it after Nationals - why should the rest of queensland have 2 classics in 1 year just to support a state team. The state teams this year were not picked from Classics - they self nominated and went to trials. No-one is going to miss a classics, just have it September 2009 instead of April 2009. You will not have any less teams or players go just because the state team has already been picked, that was basically the case this year and a record number of teams played because they enjoy playing - nothing to do with state selections.

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How do they miss out on a classics?? They have it after Nationals - why should the rest of queensland have 2 classics in 1 year just to support a state team. The state teams this year were not picked from Classics - they self nominated and went to trials. No-one is going to miss a classics, just have it September 2009 instead of April 2009. You will not have any less teams or players go just because the state team has already been picked, that was basically the case this year and a record number of teams played because they enjoy playing - nothing to do with state selections.

Well said. Exactly correct.

i would have thought that the admin people at BQ would understand this.

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How do they miss out on a classics?? They have it after Nationals - why should the rest of queensland have 2 classics in 1 year just to support a state team. The state teams this year were not picked from Classics - they self nominated and went to trials. No-one is going to miss a classics, just have it September 2009 instead of April 2009. You will not have any less teams or players go just because the state team has already been picked, that was basically the case this year and a record number of teams played because they enjoy playing - nothing to do with state selections.

You have it wrong, the one that is supposed to be in April 2009, is now in September 2008, it is brought forward to the start of the season, rather then playing at the end, the guys that were top age this year, wont be playing this September... if you play that classics in 2009, the bottom age kids from last classics, will be too old. So yes, if you play the April 2009 Classics in September 2009, then yes, you have skipped a year and kids would of missed the classics.

If you look at it, this is now the chance to stop your complaining saying state teams are picked prior to classics, if they run it before the season, it gives the coaches a chance to pick from that a squad, and its not the way you "think" it is... embrace a change, rather then shoot it down without even seeing it works... or put your idea to BQ, nameless bitching wont help anything?

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You have it wrong, the one that is supposed to be in April 2009, is now in September 2008, it is brought forward to the start of the season, rather then playing at the end, the guys that were top age this year, wont be playing this September... if you play that classics in 2009, the bottom age kids from last classics, will be too old. So yes, if you play the April 2009 Classics in September 2009, then yes, you have skipped a year and kids would of missed the classics.

If you look at it, this is now the chance to stop your complaining saying state teams are picked prior to classics, if they run it before the season, it gives the coaches a chance to pick from that a squad, and its not the way you "think" it is... embrace a change, rather then shoot it down without even seeing it works... or put your idea to BQ, nameless bitching wont help anything?

I am stunned at how stupid you are. "So yes, if you play the April 2009 Classics in September 2009, then yes, you have skipped a year and kids would of missed the classics." That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read. An event gets put back 5 months and we have skipped a year and people have missed classics??? seriously.

no one is missing out.

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I am stunned at how stupid you are. "So yes, if you play the April 2009 Classics in September 2009, then yes, you have skipped a year and kids would of missed the classics." That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read. An event gets put back 5 months and we have skipped a year and people have missed classics??? seriously.

no one is missing out.

You are so right, no-one is missing out. I don't understand why this person doesn't get it. And it is not bitching, people have the right to have an opinion and give an alternative to having classics twice in the same year. This idea has also been forwarded to BQ. Have a think about it!!

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I am stunned at how stupid you are. "So yes, if you play the April 2009 Classics in September 2009, then yes, you have skipped a year and kids would of missed the classics." That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read. An event gets put back 5 months and we have skipped a year and people have missed classics??? seriously.

no one is missing out.

Your right, noone is missing out, because the next classics isnt in September 2009, it is in September 2008... its not that hard of a concept to grasp? Theres no point sitting here complaining on bendoes, when that wont do anything? its being played this coming Septmember whether you agree or not?

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the guys that were top age this year, wont be playing this September... if you play that classics in 2009, the bottom age kids from last classics, will be too old.

Um...but by my reading of the official rules you are eligible for Classics so long as you don't turn 18 by Dec 31 in the year the Classics is held, so those who went to this year's event would still be eligible for the proposed tournament in Dec.

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Um...but by my reading of the official rules you are eligible for Classics so long as you don't turn 18 by Dec 31 in the year the Classics is held, so those who went to this year's event would still be eligible for the proposed tournament in Dec.

I think they are going to have U17 classics to avoid this issue. Is this 2nd classics definitely going to happen or is there a chance it will be scrapped?

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so if the classics are going to be held in september the kids which dont turn 18 till after september can play again?

where's it going to be held?

non of it is def is it?

[Unregistered]

I have heard from a good source that its not happening.

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I have heard from a good source that its not happening.

The "god source" must have finally worked out what we already knew - that another classics this year, within months of last, would be a logistic and financial flop.

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I think it's a bad idea. How many kids play at the classics and how many are realistically looking at state spots? The Classics being turned into a pre season tournament is bad for the vast majority of the payers and the sport. Surely there is another way of picking a squad pre season.

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because it is a waste of money, volunteers time etc.

why should the nothern teams fly south just to pick a squad?

or why should the southern teams fly south again just to pick a squad.

BQ fundraiser - they make money out of it. thats the only possible reason for such a dumb ass consideration.

I agree.

BQ only puts the people with the money into the state teams. Some people with the skill; hardly ever get choosen for any side. That's why basketball is loosing most of there players becasue people like BQ only want who they want in the sides.

these days it's not what you know, it's who you no.

Which is wrong.

[Hook Shot]

There seems to be an understanding that the State teams are picked from Classics. This couldnt be further from the truth.

We have been told over and over again by BQ over the past 5 or so years that the team is not selected from Classics. In fact you dont even have to play at the classics to qualify.

The State teams are basically 95% sorted out before classics. Which is the way it should be. The squads have had more training sessions and tryouts etc than another State in Australia up to this point. (in fact QLD are close to breaking the rules in relation to the amount of preparation time the team gets) The coaching staff have already the team picked in their heads, and generally it would have to take something really special to occur at classics for them to change that. They have had the previous 4 months go over and over again which combination will make the best 10 to represent the State. They have seen the players train and play over and over again.

With that said, there is no reason to have another classics later in this year to pick another squad for the state team to play next year.



Just have open trials in Oct for whoever wants to trial. A squad can be selected and then they can continue to train. Team can be picked in Feb/Mar 09.

Premier League for all age groups should run in the caledar year.

Oct-Jan - should be a designated offseason with no competitions, and only development camps/tours etc (the current setup with the u12/14 season is just crazy - 11 month season).


Hopefully someone shows some leadership on this, and doesnt just listed to association adminstrators who will just give feedback on what suits them rather than what is best for the developement of the game (which includes making the game accessible to all families from a $$s and time point of view). Proposing another classics this year is just a waste of time and a further impost on family/athletes time. Unfortunately without a coaching director or someone who understand the game in the BQ office, the game is in hands of administrators who dont really get IT.

Typical South comment,I guess there's only one state team in Qld now is there?

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So when will we find out the final outcome?
Soon hopefully.

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Typical South comment,I guess there's only one state team in Qld now is there?

What is the statement suppose to mean.

The North teams should be playing their TON series between Mar - June or something similiar.

Why? Cause why the hell would you want to play an indoor sport at the hottest and wettest time of the year in NQ? There is typically one carnival that gets washed out due to the weather. It is stupidity, and I would suspect it has only been done to align with the State classics dates. Moving u18 classics to Sept (starting in 09) would actually help Nth Qld to play their regional series at a more suitable time of the year.

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I received an email today about 18s state classics are to be held on the 29th june till 3rd july 2009, the first week of winter school holidays.

pretty sure this will rule out sept classics.

cheers

[anonamoose]

I also heard that the U18's classics will be in June/July with U18 BQJBC running from Feb to June

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Your right, noone is missing out, because the next classics isnt in September 2009, it is in September 2008... its not that hard of a concept to grasp? Theres no point sitting here complaining on bendoes, when that wont do anything? its being played this coming Septmember whether you agree or not?

not happening - any comments now

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so, which is it? I have looked on the BQ website and there is no mention yet.

[OrangeRoundBall]

As a parent of a bottom age U18 this year who has just spent $2000 sending said kid to classics and now asked to spend another $2000 six months earlier than budgeted for, this is asking too much. Especially as we all know the "Team" is picked over years of observing said players.

Its really very simple. If Queensland, either North or South want to win another U18 National Championships, the sport needs to send the best kids, not just the rich kids who can afford all the travel over the state to get noticed.

VIC and NSW players in U16 and U18 PAY NO MONEY to attend nationals. ZIP, NOTHING, ZERO DOLLARS. thats why they always win! The best kids get chosen, not just the rich kids as in SA, QLD, TAS, NT and WA!

North QLD now has no ITCP and BQ wants parents to spend twice as much money this year for Classics?

THEY HAVEN'T EVEN ASKED FOR COACHES YET!

How is this sport even going to survive..................

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so, which is it? I have looked on the BQ website and there is no mention yet.

As I understand it the U18 Classics will be played in the June/July school holidays in 2009

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Logan website has the dates up according to this U18's will be June/July

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The U18 girls of the last 2 years didn't pay for their Silver & Bronze Medals at Nationals.
They simply had the skills, and worked their guts out to EARN their medals against every other State.
There are always the hard done bys, the so called politics, the wrong coaches etc etc.....The simple fact of the matter is each and every player at State level works extremely hard for their spots regardless of the financial position of their families.
If you don't want to be part of it, don't do it.

[Jack Itup]

So Logan is now the media outlet for BQ...lol

Now we wait for the next exciting update of where are they to be held.
Do we find that on the Gladstone site next?

[Unregistered]

Sooo is it june/july holidays for sure?

Anything actualy final?

[Unregistered]

20-5-2008 - By G. Burns

DATES FOR 2009 STATE CLASSICS CONFIRMED


Further to the survey regarding the State Classics and BQJBC the Board of BQ has now made a decision on the timing of the State Classics for 2009 which is detailed in the table below:



Age Group
Dates

Under 12
10 to 13 April 2009 (Good Friday to the Easter Monday)

Under 14
15 to 19 April (the last five days of the school holidays)

Under 16
10 to 14 April 2009 (Good Friday to the Tuesday after Easter)

Under 18
29 June to 3 July (Monday to Friday of the first week of the Winter school holidays)




The timing of BQJBC (as it relates to State Classics) is shown below:





Age Group
Classics
BQJBC

Under 12
The four days of Easter – the first 4 days of the Autumn School Holidays
October to April

Under 14
April –the last five days of the Autumn School Holidays
October to April

Under 16
The first 5 days of the Autumn School Holidays (commencing during the Easter Period)
October to April

Under 18
June/July - During the Winter School Holidays
February to June




A meeting of the stakeholders for BQJBC will be conducted in June to map out the season and implement any changes which may be required to accommodate the changes.





Regards



Graham Burns | Chief Executive Officer | Basketball Queensland
PO Box 1281, MILTON QLD 4064
( (07)3377 9100, Direct Line (07)3103 2204 | 7 (07) 3371 7239 | 3 0403 244 321
* graham.burns@basketballqld.net.au | ý www.basketballqld.net.au

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imo having u12's at Easter is stupid. They should be in June.

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[QUOTE=OrangeRoundBall;6334]

VIC and NSW players in U16 and U18 PAY NO MONEY to attend nationals. ZIP, NOTHING, ZERO DOLLARS. thats why they always win! QUOTE]


NSW players have always paid to go to Nationals and I would imagine that was the same for the Vics as well.

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As a parent of a bottom age U18 this year who has just spent $2000 sending said kid to classics and now asked to spend another $2000 six months earlier than budgeted for, this is asking too much. Especially as we all know the "Team" is picked over years of observing said players.

Its really very simple. If Queensland, either North or South want to win another U18 National Championships, the sport needs to send the best kids, not just the rich kids who can afford all the travel over the state to get noticed.

VIC and NSW players in U16 and U18 PAY NO MONEY to attend nationals. ZIP, NOTHING, ZERO DOLLARS. thats why they always win! The best kids get chosen, not just the rich kids as in SA, QLD, TAS, NT and WA!

North QLD now has no ITCP and BQ wants parents to spend twice as much money this year for Classics?

THEY HAVEN'T EVEN ASKED FOR COACHES YET!

How is this sport even going to survive..................




Dont know where you got your info but ITCP is still running in North QLD

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VIC and NSW players in U16 and U18 PAY NO MONEY to attend nationals. ZIP, NOTHING, ZERO DOLLARS. thats why they always win!

The Vic Metro kids pay to go to Nationals. They fundraise as much as possible.

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The Vic Metro kids pay to go to Nationals. They fundraise as much as possible. and to another quote i read about state teams.


It's in there own dam state! us queensland kids pay dam arm and leg to hussel our buts down there to get kicked because the state coaches are to eagled eyed to pick the real talent at classics. they just pick the kids that have always been around that are fimilar not always good, not to mention there parents hav fair bit to do with it.

message to all parents out there. yeh it's great to get behind ya kid n support them but ar eu really doin them a favour by sucking up coaches arse???

w-13

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qld sux. lets face it. none of the talent want to play. they have all left and gone to other sports. bq just keep on promoting non basketball people. now no bullets there will be even less interest.

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Classics are in Toowoomba for July 09. Its gunna be freezing!!! Townsville would have been nice and warm. But i guess they are hosting the U20 Nationals in Feb - that should be nice and hot for everyone.

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qld sux. lets face it. none of the talent want to play. they have all left and gone to other sports. bq just keep on promoting non basketball people. now no bullets there will be even less interest.

Even though I hate to admit it, the poster above is right. It's become a joke. I've been told many times; the best place for junior basketball is Melbourne.

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then piss off to melbourne dipshit what a load of crap
Who cares about the bullets they used to play the same time as premiere league so kids couldnt watch them anyway
If a kid wants to play ball he wont give a crap about BQ or the bullets or some doom and gloom merchant like you

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How many melbourne kids in the emus eh? not many no room left after all the queensland kids got selected

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Who cares about the bullets they used to play the same time as premiere league so kids couldn't watch them anyway [/QUOTE]


i think thats where we go wrong in Qld may be when there is a home game on we should have more sunday game and allow people to go to the games i went to blaze games last year and when my team played on sunday and everyone else played on saturday numbers were low basketball across the board it usually all about us our competition is now and too bad for the next level ideally the best senerio would be have nbl in sth east Qld played friday nights but i know that alone is hard for the nbl to accommodate such a request.

as for the above statement im not a brisbane supporter but it was a bummer that they ended the way they did but it also means one less queensland team for queensland locals to advance to and its going to filter down starting with the aba and then down to our 18s comp as those who are on the fringe will go else where to get noticed across the world only a small amount of players who leave home for better opportunities return back

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How many melbourne kids in the emus eh? not many no room left after all the queensland kids got selected

HERE HERE

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HERE HERE

how about we drop this crap and talk about the classics, we all know when they are, where they are. the state teams are trailing. so lets dropp this and talk about classics. the teams, the games. heres my tip. logan brisbane and spartans all look good, but dont write off the north teams as they bundle a group of stars to who just could get the job done.