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Unregistered
10-05-08, 11:45
I heard that brendan beak is signed with bullets, not a 100% reliable source.
anyone know if that is true?
Unregistered
11-05-08, 20:00
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Thanks Ben
I heard that brendan beak is signed with bullets, not a 100% reliable source.
I'm positive this is a gee-up, but I'll have a chop anyways ....
Doubt Kerlie would give Beaktron another go, after hanging him out to dry when he was in the squad and at the peak of his game in 98 .....
Unregistered
14-05-08, 23:21
Anybody have any more ideas of the bullets new signing in progress ???
Unregistered
15-05-08, 10:21
Anybody have any more ideas of the bullets new signing in progress ???
So far we have Gibson, Goulding, Weigh, Tanner, Petrie, Vanderjact, Rigby, and Hill
Rumours bouncing around, could by looking at 2 imports and getting either DMac, or Aaron Bruce, and having 11 on the roster? Good young team, and in afew years will be alright, all blue collar workers, and that might work in Joeys system...
Unregistered
16-05-08, 09:53
Blue Collar! Who has been more blue collar than Williamson was. Getting up to go to work in the wee hours of the morning so he could afford to live and still get to training when the Bullets payed him nothing and then worked his way up. And what did Joey think of that? Nothing! He obviously never saw in him what the rest of the league has, thus his 7 point rating. My point being, Joeys way of thinking is to make sure he gets payed and that's it. Why do we all think it's ok for Joey to jump straight on a plane and talk to Perth, but not CJ?
I remember a few seasons back people saying what a fine young element coach Joey had put together, well Gibson was the only one who was nurtured and seems to be still.
Good on Williamson for making the move to where a club will appriciate him.
Unregistered
27-05-08, 12:24
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23765130-952,00.html
Absolutely devastating news. Realistically, what are the chances of them finding a new owner by the end of the week?
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Gutted. That's horrible news :(
Damn.
Wonder if this has any implications on Logan's WNBL franchise. Tang?
That's an interesting point, aren't the people who were going to bail the bullets out also tied in with Logan's WNBL team?
Unregistered
27-05-08, 16:52
The reason they pulled out is because the Bullets major sponsor pulled out. Should have no affect on Logan.
Unregistered
05-06-08, 10:00
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23810516-5001023,00.html
So looks like the Kings are going to make it, but what about the Bullets? Anyone heard anything?
In the Courier Mail this morning there's a bit about Sarina Russo potentially buying the team. It said that she was disappointed about being beaten by David Kemp last time. It also said she's done a due diligence study and was consulting her financial advisers about it.
Can't find a link but it's towards the bottom of the page, towards back of the paper somewhere.
Unregistered
05-06-08, 13:44
Thanks Mike S, sounds promising. Let's hope Sarina's 'due diligence' doesn't take as long (or end up with the same conclusion) as Kemp's did.
Mystery buyer vanishes
Phil Lutton | June 18, 2008 - 2:48PM
Like the Russians at Stalingrad, the Brisbane Bullets are refusing to yield.
But the mystery buyer hailed by the NBL as the club's potential saviour has vanished as fast as he emerged.
NBL boss Chuck Harmison gave fresh hope to Brisbane basketball fans yesterday when he revealed he had met a businessman who was "saying all the right things" about saving the club from oblivion.
The Bullets are searching for a new owner before June 30 after a consortium lead by Logan businessman David Kemp bailed out at the last minute, leaving fuming owner Eddy Groves holding the baby.
"There's still an awful lot of due diligence to be done yet but he's certainly saying the right things," Harmison told AAP.
"I'm quietly confident is about all I will say at this stage."
But brisbanetimes.com.au understands the potential owner has already fallen off the scene and despite contacting the NBL, had never taken the proposal to former childcare magnate Groves, who was forced to offload the Bullets after the collapse of his ABC Learning Centre empire.
Groves has just 12 days to sign, seal and deliver a new owner to the league or as was the case with the now defunct Sydney Kings, the licence will be handed back to the NBL.
Harmison has ruled out giving the Bullets an extension, saying there is enough time to find an owner and the rest of the struggling league needed to move forward to secure sponsorship deals.
While Groves has had a number of informal nibbles about taking over the 2006/07 champions, he has received no concrete offers since Kemp's high-profile group, which was chaired by former deputy premier Terry Mackenroth, bolted out the door.
But where there is life there is hope.
Sources close to the club say there is undercurrent of serious interest in the franchise from a number of groups - who prefer to stay out of the headlines - despite the prospect of taking over a club with no players.
Bullets coach Joey Wright remains in Texas but will return to Brisbane regardless of the Bullets' fate. He has family and property interests in the city.
Former players have dispersed around the NBL and overseas, although loyal servants such as guard Mick Hill remain in Brisbane after being left in the lurch by the collapse of the Kemp bid.
At least we'll still have Townsville or Cairns to cheer for...
Unregistered
20-06-08, 16:53
What, did you forget about the Gold Coast Joyce and son Blaze. Family run team.....
Like I said, Townsville or Cairns are looking good! :)
Finalist_10
21-06-08, 02:11
So it's a sure thing..Brisbane is gone?
We'll know next monday for sure.
Finalist_10
24-06-08, 02:11
The suspense is killing me!
Unregistered
24-06-08, 09:22
Sorry...
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23910140-23769,00.html
Conman sprung in Bullets bid
Phil Lutton | June 24, 2008
He almost blagged his way to the helm of a $20 million luxury boat. Now a conman who can't spell can be revealed as the "mystery buyer" who made a play for the Brisbane Bullets.
As fresh hope has once again surfaced for the embattled National Basketball League (NBL) club, it yesterday emerged that a serial grifter who couldn't spell his supposed hometown tried to pass himself off as a potential saviour last week.
With just six days to go before owner Eddy Groves is forced to hand back his club licence, NBL boss Chuck Harmison says a serious deal is underway and an announcement is due in days.
"I'm expecting something to come across my desk this week that I can send to the board and hopefully approve. Things are still looking positive," Harmison said.
"It's certainly not all doom and gloom. I think something good is happening up there."
While the phantom buyer quickly disappeared from the scene, a consortium lead by Brisbane businessman Brian Stephenson is set to throw the drowning Bullets a last-minute lifeline.
It is understood Brisbane basketball identity Stephenson is leading a new group that is in complex negotiations with the NBL. Former Bullets general manager Jeff van Groningen is a key figure in the dealings.
The Stephenson group is keen to take the NBL show on the road but their desire to play a series of matches at regional stadiums like Ipswich or Toowoomba needs to be ironed out with the league.
A number of other interested parties, including longtime corporate supporters of the Bullets and Basketball Queensland, are also said to be involved in the rescue bid.
If successful, Stephenson will take over a team with virtually no playing stocks. The latest hit came yesterday when point guard Adam Gibson signed with the South Dragons, while all of the club's stars fled the ship after the last bid, led by Logan shopfitting magnate David Kemp, fell through.
Stephenson's legitimate bid is in stark contrast to last week, when a man calling himself Geoffrey Cassidy touted himself as a genuine buyer to the NBL.
Cassidy made headlines recently after an attempted con at the Gold Coast boat show at Sanctuary Cove.
He attempted to purchase two yachts - one worth $7.8 million the other worth $20 million - before being exposed after he couldn't spell the name of his supposed hometown, Armidale.
Newspaper reports said Cassidy passed himself off as the NSW-based chief executive of an aviation company who owned a Boeing 737 private jet.
It is believed he peddled a similar story to the NBL, while there are rumours he also masqueraded as a financial backer for a surf lifesaving club on Stradbroke Island.
Boats International director John Rapmund told the Gold Coast Bulletin newspaper last month the man approached his Horizon Boats International stand and signalled his interest in a luxury vessel.
"He said he couldn't use his credit card as he had put a $300,000 piano on it and it was 'chockas'," Rapmund told the paper.
But Rapmund became suspicious when the man spelled Armidale as "Armadale".
"I got one of the girls to ring the bank. They'd never heard of him."
Unregistered
30-06-08, 12:17
D-Day for the Bullets. Seems to have gone quiet over the last few days, not sure if that is a good sign or not. Anybody in the loop able to fill us in?
Unregistered
30-06-08, 12:20
Bullets will be safe...however any win will be a bonus...look for a change of home court venue
Unregistered
30-06-08, 12:29
Check the Bullets web page..Eddy has handed back the licence...Bullets are gone...how do I get my Logan WNBL season ticket....only basketball in town now
Unregistered
30-06-08, 12:30
Thanks, appreciated. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed anyway though, just in case!
Thanks, appreciated. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed anyway though, just in case!
I was also being hopeful as well, however quote from Webpage seems to indicate that we'vee reached the point of no return.
"Eddy duly informed us this morning that he will therefore be handing back the Bullets license immediately. Given how close we are now to the start of the new NBL campaign in September, there is now no realistic possibility that the Bullets will be part of season 2008/09.”
It is indeed a sad day for basketball in this state, that the Bullets have disappeared off the basketball scene after so many years.
Unregistered
30-06-08, 20:23
It should have never come to this! Anna Bligh self confessed "Soccer Mum" gave Brisbane junior soccer $50,000 sponsorship. And when the Roar couldn't find a Major sponsor the Queensland government came up with $300,000 to assist. Some people are more equal than others. Basketball is as global as Soccer. Why do government in Australia pander and throw money at soccer. Why weren't the Bullets rescued? A lifeline even for 12 months could have saved a foundation team with a proud history! All Basketball fans must stand up and fight for this cause. And Just a final word on this. I am not a Basketball fanatic. But I feel you people have been let down badly .
It should have never come to this! Anna Bligh self confessed "Soccer Mum" gave Brisbane junior soccer $50,000 sponsorship. And when the Roar couldn't find a Major sponsor the Queensland government came up with $300,000 to assist. Some people are more equal than others. Basketball is as global as Soccer. Why do government in Australia pander and throw money at soccer. Why weren't the Bullets rescued? A lifeline even for 12 months could have saved a foundation team with a proud history! All Basketball fans must stand up and fight for this cause. And Just a final word on this. I am not a Basketball fanatic. But I feel you people have been let down badly .
More news from today's Courier Mail. NBL not prepared to wait a day more past the 30 June extension. State Government also washed their hands when asked to consider a $200,000 commitment because "the Bullets had provided a "vague" sponsorship proposal" as quoted by the Minister for Sport. What a cop out after all the revenue that this government has received to not as least prolong discussions with the Bullets. Thirty years commitment to basketball in this state should have been given a much higher priority. Shabby treatment to a sport which promotes a far wider range of motor skills for young athletes than most other sports!
Unregistered
03-07-08, 15:02
RIP Brisbane Bullets 1979 - 2008
Bullets Fanman
28-09-08, 20:23
Brisbane NBL, Back on Board is a new initiative of Basketball Queensland aimed to facilitate the reintroduction of a National Basketball League Team in the Brisbane market.
Our focus is to capture the interest of business, media and local supporters who can join with us to enable the development of a new and local NBL franchise.
Our aim is to develop a support base that can align themselves to this project and develop strategies to rebuild an NBL team in Brisbane.
If you are interested in receiving information on this project please send an email to bris.nbl.supporter@basketballqld.net.au
Regards
Basketball Queensland
Original Bullet
03-05-09, 13:24
We should be following the model of other established successful 'funding attractive' sports, by these steps. Let's go back to basics. 1. Use local talent only ( that gets everyone coming along to the games) and is inspiring to all who finish U20's....2. Build and keep the history and a heritage around the sport by respecting and keeping the exiting players involved 3. Strong and active/visible presence by NBL teams in the communities. 4. Take on passionate players /coaches who give and are not just taking .5. Aim to build excitement not a business.
It should have never come to this! Anna Bligh self confessed "Soccer Mum" gave Brisbane junior soccer $50,000 sponsorship. And when the Roar couldn't find a Major sponsor the Queensland government came up with $300,000 to assist. Some people are more equal than others. Basketball is as global as Soccer. Why do government in Australia pander and throw money at soccer. Why weren't the Bullets rescued? A lifeline even for 12 months could have saved a foundation team with a proud history! All Basketball fans must stand up and fight for this cause. And Just a final word on this. I am not a Basketball fanatic. But I feel you people have been let down badly .
Unregistered
03-05-09, 15:06
We should be following the model of other established successful 'funding attractive' sports, by these steps. Let's go back to basics. 1. Use local talent only ( that gets everyone coming along to the games) and is inspiring to all who finish U20's....2. Build and keep the history and a heritage around the sport by respecting and keeping the exiting players involved 3. Strong and active/visible presence by NBL teams in the communities. 4. Take on passionate players /coaches who give and are not just taking .5. Aim to build excitement not a business.
Each point is a recognised strategy utilised by successful sports franchises. For whatever reason each point is abandoned/ignored by local NBL franchises including the one thats still afloat. Go figure?!?!
The latest
07-05-09, 15:47
Current situation is getting better but we will not have a Brisbane NBL team. Sad times.
NBL EOI OUTCOME SCHEDULED TO BE ANNOUNCED NEXT WEEK
Basketball Australia (BA) Chief Executive Officer Larry Sengstock has revealed he is confident that the outcome of the Expression of Interest (EOI) process for the new National Basketball League will be finalised by next week, following two days of productive talks with the NBL owners.
Representatives of the BA Board met with the NBL owners group in Melbourne on Monday and Tuesday this week to address the few outstanding issues flagged during the EOI process by the respondents.
Sengstock said however that there had been some significant progress made during the discussions and that an announcement on the outcome of the NBL EOI would be made next week.
“The EOI process has been a very complex and sensitive one and has required full consultation with the NBL owners,” said Sengstock. “It has required some lengthy and detailed discussions to reach accord with all of the EOI respondents, and we have been very pleased with the progress made this week towards an ultimate outcome.
“Barring any unforeseen setbacks, we are anticipating making an announcement about the outcome of the EOI process next week. ”
South Dragons co-owner Mark Cowan attended the meeting in Melbourne and said he and his fellow NBL owners were feeling positive in the wake of the discussions.
“The dialogue we had with the BA Board was very fruitful and I believe we are edging ever closer to having ironed out the finer details in the blueprint for the new league,” said Cowan. “We’re feeling optimistic about the outcome of the EOI and look forward to working with the BA Board towards an announcement next week.”
Offical press release from the Brisbane board...
RELEASE - Brisbane takes ‘Time Out’
After much speculation the Brisbane NBL Back ON Board Project today confirmed that Brisbane would not have a team in the New NBL set to launch in the coming months.
Chair of the Back On Board Initiative, Neil Fitzpatrick said “That after consultation with Basketball Australia the Brisbane NBL Back ON Board working party felt that putting a team on the court in the 2009 season would not be sustainable.”
“Our aim is to ensure that the proposed private ownership group had a sustainable model with linkage to the grass roots level of our sport but this takes time to develop and nurture. To ensure that this exists we need time to implement our plan and secure appropriate financial and community support in preparation for obtaining a licence in 2010.”
Fitzpatrick also said “Grass roots participation in basketball is strong in Queensland and with our state potentially having a strong presence in the new NBL with, the Gold Coast Blaze, Townsville Crocodiles & Cairns Taipans still in the race for licences in the New NBL, and WNBL teams Logan Thunder and Townsville Flames we currently have more teams than any other State.
Our QBL (Queensland Basketball League) season has just commenced with teams from Brisbane, Bundaberg, Caboolture, Cairns, Gladstone, Gold Coast, Ipswich, Logan, Mackay, Maroochydore, Northside, Redlands, Rockhampton, Runaway Bay, South West Metro, Toowoomba and Townsville competing on a home and away basis each week until late August giving players and basketball fans an opportunity to participate in and see great basketball throughout the State.”
Another year in the wilderness.......
Unregistered
12-05-09, 21:04
Offical press release from the Brisbane board...
RELEASE - Brisbane takes ‘Time Out’
After much speculation the Brisbane NBL Back ON Board Project today confirmed that Brisbane would not have a team in the New NBL set to launch in the coming months.
“Our aim is to ensure that the proposed private ownership group had a sustainable model with linkage to the grass roots level of our sport but this takes time to develop and nurture. To ensure that this exists we need time to implement our plan and secure appropriate financial and community support in preparation for obtaining a licence in 2010.”
Another year in the wilderness.......
Let see just see it happens or if its alot of false hope again.
The state the competition is in at the moment, I'm certainly not sad the Brisbane group didn't jump in the deep end and join the mess.
Offical press release from the Brisbane board...
RELEASE - Brisbane takes ‘Time Out’
After much speculation the Brisbane NBL Back ON Board Project today confirmed that Brisbane would not have a team in the New NBL set to launch in the coming months.
Fitzpatrick also said “Grass roots participation in basketball is strong in Queensland and with our state potentially having a strong presence in the new NBL with, the Gold Coast Blaze, Townsville Crocodiles & Cairns Taipans still in the race for licences in the New NBL, and WNBL teams Logan Thunder and Townsville Flames we currently have more teams than any other State.
Our QBL (Queensland Basketball League) season has just commenced with teams from Brisbane, Bundaberg, Caboolture, Cairns, Gladstone, Gold Coast, Ipswich, Logan, Mackay, Maroochydore, Northside, Redlands, Rockhampton, Runaway Bay, South West Metro, Toowoomba and Townsville competing on a home and away basis each week until late August giving players and basketball fans an opportunity to participate in and see great basketball throughout the State.”
Another year in the wilderness.......
I did not know that Logan and Redlands were in QBL.
Unregistered
19-05-09, 19:35
i know Logan arent in QBL and dont think Redlands are either but Logan is in WNBL...
I did not know that Logan and Redlands were in QBL.
Time for BQ President to recognise we have a team in SEABL also. He may notlike it but the Spartans are still part of the State structure.
Unregistered
20-05-09, 08:33
Offical press release from the Brisbane board...
RELEASE - Brisbane takes ‘Time Out’
After much speculation the Brisbane NBL Back ON Board Project today confirmed that Brisbane would not have a team in the New NBL set to launch in the coming months.
Chair of the Back On Board Initiative, Neil Fitzpatrick said “That after consultation with Basketball Australia the Brisbane NBL Back ON Board working party felt that putting a team on the court in the 2009 season would not be sustainable.”
“Our aim is to ensure that the proposed private ownership group had a sustainable model with linkage to the grass roots level of our sport but this takes time to develop and nurture. To ensure that this exists we need time to implement our plan and secure appropriate financial and community support in preparation for obtaining a licence in 2010.”
Fitzpatrick also said “Grass roots participation in basketball is strong in Queensland and with our state potentially having a strong presence in the new NBL with, the Gold Coast Blaze, Townsville Crocodiles & Cairns Taipans still in the race for licences in the New NBL, and WNBL teams Logan Thunder and Townsville Flames we currently have more teams than any other State.
Our QBL (Queensland Basketball League) season has just commenced with teams from Brisbane, Bundaberg, Caboolture, Cairns, Gladstone, Gold Coast, Ipswich, Logan, Mackay, Maroochydore, Northside, Redlands, Rockhampton, Runaway Bay, South West Metro, Toowoomba and Townsville competing on a home and away basis each week until late August giving players and basketball fans an opportunity to participate in and see great basketball throughout the State.”
Another year in the wilderness.......
I find it quite amazing that the BQ President has NO idea who actually plays in has the spin doctors at BQ put it "Australias premier winter competiton". I mean Loagan, Redlands and Runaway Bay, at least Logan have actually played in the league, the other two never have.
That's an embarassment to the person responsible for releasing this election mode propaganda. One would suggest that our Presisdent at least read over the document before it is sent out. The really scary thing about it is that he probably did, that is how far out of touch he has become.
On another note, SEABL is here and it is about time BQ and the President accept it and actually embrace the concept. Others will follow soon.
Unregistered
20-05-09, 10:03
I find it quite amazing that the BQ President has NO idea who actually plays in has the spin doctors at BQ put it "Australias premier winter competiton". I mean Loagan, Redlands and Runaway Bay, at least Logan have actually played in the league, the other two never have.
That's an embarassment to the person responsible for releasing this election mode propaganda. One would suggest that our Presisdent at least read over the document before it is sent out. The really scary thing about it is that he probably did, that is how far out of touch he has become.
On another note, SEABL is here and it is about time BQ and the President accept it and actually embrace the concept. Others will follow soon.
Maybe he's referring to those Associations as supporting the ABA because they have Development League teams...and the story is the D League is the ABA Development League.
Is that not the case?
Dont think anyone really cares about SEABL or whether its Australias Premier Winter Competition or not because for the last few years the Championship has been won by teams from the QBL.
Dont thnk anyones too worried about Spartans being part of the "State Structure " either. Their constitution (or lack thereof) means they cant (legally) affiliate with BQ (unless there's a side deal done). Spartans juniors still play in the state competition and nobody kicks up a stink so why all the hate on BQ? Dont find the BQ Presidents press release any more propoganda or embarrassing than the Spartans propoganda that regularly pops up? Truth be known Spartans put the CEO and President of their choice in place years ago so why they now attacking them?
Must be BQ elections time.
Unregistered
20-05-09, 13:14
I did not know that Logan and Redlands were in QBL.
depends if you would like to consider the D-League as part of the QBL????
Dont find the BQ Presidents press release any more propoganda or embarrassing than the Spartans propoganda that regularly pops up? Truth be known Spartans put the CEO and President of their choice in place years ago so why they now attacking them?
Must be BQ elections time.
The reality is that the President of BQ was elected at the AGM three years ago. It was not anyone who put him there but a group of Associations. That is democracy. Graham Burns applied for a job and won the position. He was not placed there so please pay respect to the selection process. Actually you will find that Nicole Pensko employed him and he was placed as GM (I think position title) by current Board. That is their right as the elected persons to do so. That done. They are their own people and definately not mine nor any other persons.
Yes there is an election and Bruce Palmer is running for President. He is being supported by a lot of individuals and Associations who want change. Not for the sake of it but they see the sport going no where. The latest to come out openly is Shane Heal who has written to Associations and publicly backed Bruce. He wears his passion on his sleeve and for that I respect him.
The election is this Sunday and unless the current BQ Board can get a two thirds majority they will struggle to be seen as leaders within our sport by many. Even when AL ruled he never had more then 5 votes against him in any one year. He stepped down to allow the process of "future planning" to occur he was not challenged seriously in three elections.
The fact that they have people opposing them suggests not everyone is happy and that will continue. If it is close then the current Board, if they win, the next term will be more about the same. The majority of people on this site have no say in the vote. That is why we elect people to do that for us. Want to change that go get elected at your local Association.
I trust this now ends the uniformed snipping at myself from a nameless person who clearly does not understand the issues and has no real vision nor desire to get in and do the hard work that this sport needs so desperately.
Maybe one day when things are more positive I will take the time to explain to people the reasons why things occurred and why some did not. I do know that I care about our sport which is why I am still involved and working hard to make sure we have the best leadership possible. You may not like the decision but my nameless friend you first need to have the courage of identifying yourself. Happy to sit and chat anytime. I am clear about what I have and will do. You I suggest are second guessing mine and others actions. Maybe your employment depends on the uncertainty I have no idea.
By the way the proxy vote closed at 9am today. I do hope BQ will now be able to tell us all who can and can not vote. Shame about the secret.
Unregistered
24-05-09, 19:58
The reality is that the President of BQ was elected at the AGM three years ago. It was not anyone who put him there but a group of Associations. That is democracy. Graham Burns applied for a job and won the position. He was not placed there so please pay respect to the selection process. Actually you will find that Nicole Pensko employed him and he was placed as GM (I think position title) by current Board. That is their right as the elected persons to do so. That done. They are their own people and definately not mine nor any other persons.
Yes there is an election and Bruce Palmer is running for President. He is being supported by a lot of individuals and Associations who want change. Not for the sake of it but they see the sport going no where. The latest to come out openly is Shane Heal who has written to Associations and publicly backed Bruce. He wears his passion on his sleeve and for that I respect him.
The election is this Sunday and unless the current BQ Board can get a two thirds majority they will struggle to be seen as leaders within our sport by many. Even when AL ruled he never had more then 5 votes against him in any one year. He stepped down to allow the process of "future planning" to occur he was not challenged seriously in three elections.
The fact that they have people opposing them suggests not everyone is happy and that will continue. If it is close then the current Board, if they win, the next term will be more about the same. The majority of people on this site have no say in the vote. That is why we elect people to do that for us. Want to change that go get elected at your local Association.
I trust this now ends the uniformed snipping at myself from a nameless person who clearly does not understand the issues and has no real vision nor desire to get in and do the hard work that this sport needs so desperately.
Maybe one day when things are more positive I will take the time to explain to people the reasons why things occurred and why some did not. I do know that I care about our sport which is why I am still involved and working hard to make sure we have the best leadership possible. You may not like the decision but my nameless friend you first need to have the courage of identifying yourself. Happy to sit and chat anytime. I am clear about what I have and will do. You I suggest are second guessing mine and others actions. Maybe your employment depends on the uncertainty I have no idea.
By the way the proxy vote closed at 9am today. I do hope BQ will now be able to tell us all who can and can not vote. Shame about the secret.
Yeh how bizarre is that??? Who introduced the rule that the votes had to be in 3 days before the meeting and that no discussion or change could take place before hand??? Why the secrecy? What year and who was on the Board when that came in?
Yeh how bizarre is that??? Who introduced the rule that the votes had to be in 3 days before the meeting and that no discussion or change could take place before hand??? Why the secrecy? What year and who was on the Board when that came in?
The problem is in the interpretation of the intent by those in power. Not the rules. Want to change things talk to the Board.
Unregistered
25-05-09, 08:59
The problem is in the interpretation of the intent by those in power. Not the rules. Want to change things talk to the Board.
And who might they be and how do you do that? Experience shows that the board dont answer and wont listen if your not telling them what they want to hear. And it's not just the current board and president. Didnt see any answer in your reply just a sidestep and flick pass. Does anyone else know of any organisation sporting or otherwise with such a laborious process for getting a motion up for consideration (unless of course its a motion a board member wants and brings to you for forwarding), where all motions including elections must be voted on and held in secret 3 days before the meeting with no discussion or changes allowed at the actual AGM? I ask the question seriously and would genuinely like to know...a) if there's some other organisation out there with the same clandestine processes and b) who was responsible for introducing them in QLD Basketball?
Talk to Graham
25-05-09, 15:57
And who might they be and how do you do that? Experience shows that the board dont answer and wont listen if your not telling them what they want to hear. And it's not just the current board and president. Didnt see any answer in your reply just a sidestep and flick pass. Does anyone else know of any organisation sporting or otherwise with such a laborious process for getting a motion up for consideration (unless of course its a motion a board member wants and brings to you for forwarding), where all motions including elections must be voted on and held in secret 3 days before the meeting with no discussion or changes allowed at the actual AGM? I ask the question seriously and would genuinely like to know...a) if there's some other organisation out there with the same clandestine processes and b) who was responsible for introducing them in QLD Basketball?
I will try to help.
President Neil Fitzpatrick (Toowoomba)
Treasurer Gordon Johnston (mulgrave Coast)
Neil Hamilton Smith (Brisbane)
Tim Horrell (Toowoomba)
Margaret Young (Districts)
Qa. Have no idea but I am sure if you want to receive State Government support it must pass certain criteria.
Qb. The Asociations voted in this Constitution and they amended it 2 years later I think.
Look if you are not happy then here is not the place to go about trying to change things. I and many more do not agree with what is happening but we just had an election and the Board was returned. Want change it has to start at the bottom. You need to get involved in your local Association and then you have a way to raise issues in a professinal manner. Time for everyone to move on.
Unregistered
25-05-09, 18:24
I'm pretty sure that Tim Horrell is not from Toowoomba
Unregistered
25-05-09, 19:57
I will try to help.
President Neil Fitzpatrick (Toowoomba)
Treasurer Gordon Johnston (mulgrave Coast)
Neil Hamilton Smith (Brisbane)
Tim Horrell (Toowoomba)
Margaret Young (Districts)
Qa. Have no idea but I am sure if you want to receive State Government support it must pass certain criteria.
Qb. The Asociations voted in this Constitution and they amended it 2 years later I think.
Look if you are not happy then here is not the place to go about trying to change things. I and many more do not agree with what is happening but we just had an election and the Board was returned. Want change it has to start at the bottom. You need to get involved in your local Association and then you have a way to raise issues in a professinal manner. Time for everyone to move on.
Hopefully the returning Chairman will recognise that a large proportion of the Membership his Board is responsible to are extremely dissatisfied with BQ at management and adminstrative level and make the changes necessary to bring all Associations back together working to a common transparent and positive plan. If not there is no lower level for membership confidence and the games future to ascend to before deregistration.
MEDIA RELEASE
25 May 2009
BQ AGM Returns Incumbents in Overwhelming Endorsement of Current Board
Board Members Returned For a Further Term
Basketball Queensland’s Annual General Meeting was held yesterday, 24 May 2009. Two incumbent Board members were elected for further terms:
1. Mr. Neil Fitzpatrick – Chairman
2. Mr. Gordon Johnstone – Finance Director
Both have served as Directors on the Board of Basketball Queensland for several terms with Mr Fitzpatrick being returned for a second term as Chairman and Mr Johnstone taking the Finance Director’s role for the first time.
A new member has also elected to the Board, Mr Tim Horrell. Mr Horrell is a solicitor who has had a long relationship with Basketball Queensland assisting the current and previous President of BQ in relation to constitutional and legal matters.
Mr Fitzpatrick said “I am pleased that democracy is alive and well in Basketball Queensland with strong candidates running in this election. The support I have received in this election is pleasing and a shows support for the programs that we are running and the strong financial management we have applied. With an overwhelming majority in this election we have a clear mandate to continue with our current strategies. I am also very pleased with the composition of the Board which has a good balance of experience in many fields.”
work through statement
26-05-09, 09:12
MEDIA RELEASE
25 May 2009
BQ AGM Returns Incumbents in Overwhelming Endorsement of Current Board
How did anyone know it was an overwhelming majority unless the independant scutineers told the Chairman. Not very goog practice is it. I think you will find that the vote was very close. If every member of BQ had an equal vote it would have gone the other way.
Mr Fitzpatrick said “I am pleased that democracy is alive and well in Basketball Queensland with strong candidates running in this election. The support I have received in this election is pleasing and a shows support for the programs that we are running and the strong financial management we have applied. With an overwhelming majority in this election we have a clear mandate to continue with our current strategies. I am also very pleased with the composition of the Board which has a good balance of experience in many fields.”
Again it was not an over whelming majority. Pretty sure that at lesat 9 Associations voted against the existing board members. Maybe wrong but all the Chairman, who seems to know the actual vote count could tell us. Let us all share the knowledge.
Democracy is not in place that is the issue.
Unregistered
26-05-09, 10:44
MEDIA RELEASE
25 May 2009
BQ AGM Returns Incumbents in Overwhelming Endorsement of Current Board
Board Members Returned For a Further Term
Basketball Queensland’s Annual General Meeting was held yesterday, 24 May 2009. Two incumbent Board members were elected for further terms:
1. Mr. Neil Fitzpatrick – Chairman
2. Mr. Gordon Johnstone – Finance Director
Both have served as Directors on the Board of Basketball Queensland for several terms with Mr Fitzpatrick being returned for a second term as Chairman and Mr Johnstone taking the Finance Director’s role for the first time.
A new member has also elected to the Board, Mr Tim Horrell. Mr Horrell is a solicitor who has had a long relationship with Basketball Queensland assisting the current and previous President of BQ in relation to constitutional and legal matters.
Mr Fitzpatrick said “I am pleased that democracy is alive and well in Basketball Queensland with strong candidates running in this election. The support I have received in this election is pleasing and a shows support for the programs that we are running and the strong financial management we have applied. With an overwhelming majority in this election we have a clear mandate to continue with our current strategies. I am also very pleased with the composition of the Board which has a good balance of experience in many fields.”
Experience in many fields maybe but none that include grass roots community sport, sports administration or people skills. Didnt mention the groundswell of discontent expressed at the ballot for a complete change at CEO, Development Manager and Elite Programs Manager either. Guess its four more years of the same clandestine ineptitude and arrogance that trademarks todays Basketball Queensland.
Unregistered
26-05-09, 11:10
Again it was not an over whelming majority. Pretty sure that at lesat 9 Associations voted against the existing board members. Maybe wrong but all the Chairman, who seems to know the actual vote count could tell us. Let us all share the knowledge.
Democracy is not in place that is the issue.
Pretty sure it waqs only 5 Associations. to quote another post "Even when AL ruled he never had more then 5 votes against him in any one year"
Unregistered
26-05-09, 11:15
[QUOTE=Unregistered;16757]. Didnt mention the groundswell of discontent expressed at the ballot for a complete change at CEO, Development Manager and Elite Programs Manager either. QUOTE]
Thats because no such opinions were expressed even though there was ample opportunity. One vocal critic on this site never uttered a word
What rubbish
26-05-09, 12:23
[QUOTE=Unregistered;16757]. Didnt mention the groundswell of discontent expressed at the ballot for a complete change at CEO, Development Manager and Elite Programs Manager either. QUOTE]
Thats because no such opinions were expressed even though there was ample opportunity. One vocal critic on this site never uttered a word
What opportunities are you talking about. It was an AGM not a debating class. When someone did start to question direction meeting shut down.
Only Sid page when honoured with Life Membership (during meeting) had the courage to talk about what was wrong with demoncratic process. He should be on the Board of BQ. Thats right current President exclcuded him when he was placed there by previous President.
How would anyone know that only 5 Associations voted for change? That is unless a BQ staff member provided that information to others. I am pretty sure Sid Page did not. They were the scrutineers. I suggest you talk to the following Associations and ask them how they voted. BBI, Toowoomba, Logan, Runaway Bay, Cairns, Noosa, Maroochydore, Caloundra, Pittsworth, Caboolture, Charters Towers, Jimboomba. Pretty sure there were others as well. membership from these guys far exceeds the Association that did support. Democracy. hahahha
Unregistered
26-05-09, 12:59
[quote=What rubbish;16762]And this is just one story ofthe inept and clandestine operational modus operandi of basketball queenslands board and administration. Suggest joining the board to makea difference?? What a joke! Anyone with an opinion or knowledge and experience in the field which surpasses that of the CEO and Board *remainder moderated*
Unregistered
26-05-09, 13:36
[QUOTE=What rubbish;16762]
And this is just one story ofthe inept and clandestine operational modus operandi of basketball queenslands board and administration. Suggest joining the board to makea difference?? What a joke! Anyone with an opinion or knowledge and experience in the field which surpasses that of the CEO and Board (which includes just about everybody!) gets the shaft from BQ as soon as that becomes apparent or they ask a question that might need answers they dont want to divulge.
Nothing said at the meeting as El Pres stifles debate. Sure a great many people would like to know why Darling Downs got a designated development officer and then 12 months later found their junior participation rates had decreased to the point where they could no longer enter in all grades of Premier League. Actual fact is that the Dev Officer spent the majority of his time running programs for a near city association and coaching a junior state team that the CEO's son was involved in. The outcome for failure as Dev Officer? He was then promoted to Development Manager. (The CEO's son made the state team incidentally). There's dozens of stories like this around BQ and maybe people should just spill all their good ones on Ben Does since nobody at BQ is listening any more.
Pretty pathetic that a great number of member associations are reduced to venting their frustrations on a public message board but such is the indifference and arrogance of BQ to allowing any other form of discussion debate or questioning. What have they got hide??? Hahahaha...the Courier Mail would provide a far more influential redress for members if they were given just a few (supported) facts of whats been happening in queensland over the past few years and let them follow the trail. Might humiliate the sport for a while but would surely serve to clean it out so it can start afresh without enduring more years of clandestine ineptitude.
Gees! Sounds like the kettle has boiled. Not good.
[quote=What rubbish;16762]
And this is just one story ofthe inept and clandestine operational modus operandi of basketball queenslands board and administration. Suggest joining the board to makea difference?? What a joke! Anyone with an opinion or knowledge and experience in the field which surpasses that of the CEO and Board .... *remaining post moderated*
Whilst I appreciate the need for healthy debate regarding this issue, now would be a timely moment to remind you all to make sure your posts DO NOT start to slide over towards an angle of slander et al. The above post is certainly heading in the wrong direction. Be aware that an ip address is logged against every post made, and can/will be passed on to concerned parties upon request.
Keep it smart, but civil!
Unregistered
26-05-09, 18:02
[quote=What rubbish;16762]And this is just one story ofthe inept and clandestine operational modus operandi of basketball queenslands board and administration. Suggest joining the board to makea difference?? What a joke! Anyone with an opinion or knowledge and experience in the field which surpasses that of the CEO and Board *remainder moderated*
This is just sour grapes. It also sounds like the CEO and board are the first group at BQ who have had the backbone to stand up to the more poisinous elements of our sport (we all know who that is). I am also pretty sure that the CEO's son did not make a State Team so I don't know where this came from, but it sounds good to reinforce the argument of someone who lost! Who cares what the majority was, it was a majority and those who tried to stir up trouble and contempt should shut up and get on with their lives.
Unregistered
26-05-09, 22:19
[QUOTE=Unregistered;16765]
This is just sour grapes. It also sounds like the CEO and board are the first group at BQ who have had the backbone to stand up to the more poisinous elements of our sport (we all know who that is). I am also pretty sure that the CEO's son did not make a State Team so I don't know where this came from, but it sounds good to reinforce the argument of someone who lost! Who cares what the majority was, it was a majority and those who tried to stir up trouble and contempt should shut up and get on with their lives.
The moderator is calling for restraint mate and this gloating is just like the presidents self congratulating and misleading press release. In all my sporting experience the only thing that is disrespected more than a sore loser is an ungracious winner.
[QUOTE=Unregistered;16765]
This is just sour grapes. It also sounds like the CEO and board are the first group at BQ who have had the backbone to stand up to the more poisinous elements of our sport (we all know who that is). I am also pretty sure that the CEO's son did not make a State Team so I don't know where this came from, but it sounds good to reinforce the argument of someone who lost! Who cares what the majority was, it was a majority and those who tried to stir up trouble and contempt should shut up and get on with their lives.
All that is needed for evil to survive is for good men to do nothing. If we all had your attitude then we will be back ten years ago when the sport was broke and serious talk wsa taking place about shutting down BQ. If you lose so be it but the facts about the process smell very very bad. Hell the challengers did not even know who could vote and who could not vote was a disgrace. Shame.
Unregistered
12-06-09, 19:27
"The Queensland Government provided over $300,000 to Basketball Queensland Organisational Development Costs as well as our Special initiatives, “Girls With Game” and “BQ33” (introducing 3 on 3 basketball to Queensland) to get more Queenslanders active through sport and recreation"
From the bottom of a BQ email...
Wonder what the breakdown of the expenditure is??? Also wonder what BQ are doing that gets Queenslanders active through sport and recreation????
Well the 3on3 initiative has been a dismal failure, despite the contradictory claims of BQ.
I too would like to know where the $$$ has gone!! I doubt much of it has gone into either program.
Unregistered
13-06-09, 14:36
Well the 3on3 initiative has been a dismal failure, despite the contradictory claims of BQ.
I too would like to know where the $$$ has gone!! I doubt much of it has gone into either program.
Mr. Burns $100K+
Smithers $ 70K+
Travel expenses for management to watch their kid play at tournaments and electioneer to save their jobs $50K+
'Workplace Training" (Time and expenses for Smithers to coach State and QBL teams) $60K+
Just a guess really?! Certainly BQ are doing nothing in participation and development that isnt being done already at Association level. (They had to actually because had it been left to BQ the last few years we wouldnt have participation) Cite the example of the BQ Development Managers time as Darling Downs Development officer where after 12 months Toowoomba didnt have enough players to field teams in every age group of PL.
Shame the money for getting people active through sport and recreation couldnt be given back to the actual associations who run come and try days and do weekly school visits (like Logan for example) instead of paying wages for dead wood.
It's all just guesswork but because nobody is allowed to ask questions on any of this at Annual General Meetings.
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