Coaches know the Rules better than referees

[Paisan]

I was speaking to a coach who I think puts in a fine effort for Juniors and he made that comment when I suggested another coach would do well because that coach was also a referee and could impart rule knowledge.

[Unregistered]

I was speaking to a coach who I think puts in a fine effort for Juniors and he made that comment when I suggested another coach would do well because that coach was also a referee and could impart rule knowledge.

The game maybe... the rules, probably not... i mean it depends on there experiences, like you said a coach that has been a referee maybe, but it all depends on the individual, some refs have played and coached at a high level, and refereed at that same level, some coaches might have very little experience... its hard to generalise a comment like that. I would say overall they know more about the game, but rules i doubt.

[Unregistered]

I would be interested to know from some of the referees on this forum as to who some of the more knowledgable coaches are in the QABL as far as knowing the rules. Which coaches pick referess up on good points and which ones dont have a clue and just carry on like idiots complaining on the sideline all game?

[Unregistered]

I would like to think that no referee's reply to the last comment as anything said may be taken with percerption or people may see their reply, as honest as it may be, as a biast towards some of the coachs. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I think it would be best that we keep it to themselves.

[Coach B]

:DAs a ref and a coach i find I enjoy having a rephore with both sides of the court. I find a coach will accept decisions without remonstration if you have a good amount of respect for each other and that is developed pre-game. Personally I always like to aproach a coach prior to the game starting and have a short conversation, light hearted, but just time to let him/her know what I expect on the court and on the sideline.
I know its different with juniors but my philosophy could be utilised at a senior level as well. As a coach I like this same courtesy. And always try and introduce myself and just let the ref know I'm approachable and ask them to come to me if there is any problems. I dunno I might live in a disalussioned world, but, I am volatile on the sidelines and it is always against the ref who is arrogant and is not interested in me or my team.
I can accept calls and mistakes if I know the ref isn't bias and has at least given me the respect towards my team.

[Unregistered]

I learnt a good lesson at the under U 14 Classics. Coaches do not always know the rules and referees do not always know the rules. I queried an NBL referee about a situation that happened in one of our games. I went into the next game full of confidence that if that situation arose again I would know what to do. It happened again very next game! I argued my case to the ref. Challenged the Ref Com, he looked unsure, I then proceded to make a right twit of myself wallowing in my my misguided belief in my knowledge of the game. The Ref Comm checked the rules as I did later that evening. He was right, I was wrong as was the NBL ref.
My advice to coaches - read the rule book!
My apologies to the Referee Commissioner of U14 B
My Bad!

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I learnt a good lesson at the under U 14 Classics. Coaches do not always know the rules and referees do not always know the rules. I queried an NBL referee about a situation that happened in one of our games. I went into the next game full of confidence that if that situation arose again I would know what to do. It happened again very next game! I argued my case to the ref. Challenged the Ref Com, he looked unsure, I then proceded to make a right twit of myself wallowing in my my misguided belief in my knowledge of the game. The Ref Comm checked the rules as I did later that evening. He was right, I was wrong as was the NBL ref.
My advice to coaches - read the rule book!
My apologies to the Referee Commissioner of U14 B
My Bad!

You are so right Coach. Even top refs make incorrect decisions. New rules are out right now and will be implemented in Oct, how many coaches-referees have read and prepared for these changes let alone fully know and understand the exisiting rules. I commend you for admitting you are human as is everyone. Coaches need to be more tolerant and understanding of referees limitations, positioning and knowledge.

My partner is a L3 ref, while we were watching the gold medal match at the Olympics he and I discussed some of the calls made during that game. Even at that level refs calls can be seen as questionable, but at that level players and coaches understand and accept calls graciously. No arguing or tantrums.

[darkjedi]

Now you mention it, Andrew Gaze was the only one bitching about the calls being made :P

"gee, I've seen unsportsmanlike fouls called for heavier contact than that"

like, huh?

[Unregistered]

Ahahah oh man andrew was like worse then all of the players combined


"oh im lost with that call"

yet the players accept it?

Thought gaze would have a bit more respect for the ref but apparently not


as far at the u14 coach


Your a champ :)

hahaha congrats on admitting you were wrong and maybe you should trust the ref every now and then, Im 16 and a ref but sometimes find the coach to be wrong despite his/her strongest beliefs their right. And in the same boat ive had my interpretation of calls challenged in post games etc so its a two way street, but i commend you on your acceptance.

I had something else to say and have forgotten so i guess thats all for now... Peace

[Unregistered]

I was a coach that started to ref, I found knowing all the rules can help some times. I think every player and coach should do a level O ref course just so you don't have the dumb basters that are like FOUL when you're playing advantage ect.

Having said that being a ref make you a little more conservative with coaching as you KNOW what the rules are rather than just what you see happen every day.

AND don't get me started about when I get shit refs OH BOY I go to town because I know exactly what there doing wrong and what they are missing ect. I once told a ref (at club) if they didn't get in good position I'd talk all 3 of my time outs in the last 2 min (stopped clock as opposed to running), but they did get good position.

It can be a bit awarded when the ref (who's doing you're game) comes up to to ask questions.. LOL ;)

[2 cents]

well i nearly peed my pants when i saw this topic.. at last something i can talk about in the off season that doesn't need live updates...

firstly all refs know that i love to talk to the refs well this is nothing new an when i was a junior my mum actually made me ref for that exact reason..
it worked on two levels one i stopped talkin to the refs so disrespectfully after being in their shoes and two i actually learnt some of the rules an interpretations so i could understand the rules an game better..

anyway in some cases usually with new refs this is the case the players an the coaches know better then the ref.. before all the refs get their whistle rope in a knot i'm not sayin we know the rules better but i believe we pick up the interpretation better "sometimes" from a playing POV...

the difference is how refs handle the situation, arrogant w@nkers that just tell you to go away without listening to anything at all will never get any respect no matter how right they are..
but as a captain or coach when i question a ref "within reason" and they respond logically then i'm more likely to go along with them especially if its a consistent call...

[Unregistered]

well i nearly peed my pants when i saw this topic.. at last something i can talk about in the off season that doesn't need live updates...

firstly all refs know that i love to talk to the refs well this is nothing new an when i was a junior my mum actually made me ref for that exact reason..
it worked on two levels one i stopped talkin to the refs so disrespectfully after being in their shoes and two i actually learnt some of the rules an interpretations so i could understand the rules an game better..

anyway in some cases usually with new refs this is the case the players an the coaches know better then the ref.. before all the refs get their whistle rope in a knot i'm not sayin we know the rules better but i believe we pick up the interpretation better "sometimes" from a playing POV...

the difference is how refs handle the situation, arrogant w@nkers that just tell you to go away without listening to anything at all will never get any respect no matter how right they are..
but as a captain or coach when i question a ref "within reason" and they respond logically then i'm more likely to go along with them especially if its a consistent call...

I was a young ref back in nz gave it up and took up coaching.
As a level 2 coach i believe you should sit a level 0 exam and it should be in your requirments to pass the course. i agree with siding with them when they make a correct call after all that is what we want them to do.

[Unregistered]

I think all players and coaches should go through the level 0 course Rep Players around U16's, If for no there reason to stop them form getting there panties in a knot when the normal interpretation is not used.. like having to tech a player because they think that the unsportsman like on the fast brake is only if they kill the guy... not it's when they make "unnecessary contact"

[Unregistered]

I was a coach that started to ref, I found knowing all the rules can help some times. I think every player and coach should do a level O ref course just so you don't have the dumb basters that are like FOUL when you're playing advantage ect.

Having said that being a ref make you a little more conservative with coaching as you KNOW what the rules are rather than just what you see happen every day.

AND don't get me started about when I get shit refs OH BOY I go to town because I know exactly what there doing wrong and what they are missing ect. I once told a ref (at club) if they didn't get in good position I'd talk all 3 of my time outs in the last 2 min (stopped clock as opposed to running), but they did get good position.

It can be a bit awarded when the ref (who's doing you're game) comes up to to ask questions.. LOL ;)

That is a really smart idea with coaches and players doing a Level 0 course atleast. being a player and refereee myself having this experience it does help you out heaps in understanding the game and half the calls. But it does get like that when coaches will have a go at you for playin the advantage and they dont know why you didnt pull it up.

Point being, getting players and coaches to do a Level 0 referee course would be great

[2 cents]

well i put my knowledge of the rules to the test over the last week coaching at Un16 state classics...

as glad as i am to see the development of refs at a higher levels, i'm just curious as to what we are focusing on teaching them..

from my limited POV it seemed some refs were more worried about the kids tucking their shirts in then things like travels which were rife throughout the classics for all divisions..

i dont personally see how an untucked shirt can influence the game but i saw a lot of travels when teams were playing full court D that weren't being called that would of..

nonetheless i always say i dont care if the reffing is good or bad as long its consistent which for the most part it was i do apologize to those refs that i may have yelled at non-stop for 40 mins it wasn't personal an i understand i may of deserved the reputation and the 3,4 or 5 techs i received haha..

but i just thought i would add a point to the coaches in this instance :)

[Unregistered]

Nagas.... did u loose count after 3 Techs.... damn... i thought you would have given the young whipper snappers a break....

[2 cents]

yea i disregarded the techs after the 2nd one and i did give them a big break when i realized it was all kids there was a lot less yelling and a lot more quiet questioning after the first day and our parents said i was a lot calmer on the last few days... they are there to improve as well, they aren't going to get any better if you don't tell them they are doing something wrong i wasn't putting them down like some opposition parents/managers merely questioning to better improve my understanding of how they are reffing so i can adjust my team accordingly..

the techs were were from what i thought were blatant and/or game changing calls and every time i received a tech the refs in question understood what i was yelling about an the reffing improved so i would sacrifice a tech for better calls any day...