QABL - Week 16

[Boss Playa]

The curtain is about to come down on the regular season of one of our most competitive seasons in recent memory. Who has the breakdowns of who'll be playing in the first week of finals? I understand some spots are still up for grabs in the men? What are the key games? BRING IT ON!

I've been having a good laugh at al the 'awards' that have been bandied about. Here are my thoughts on a few .....

All Star Five - Cam Tragardh, Bryan Jett, Dave Gurney, Mick Cedar, Scott Cook

MVP - Cam Tragardh, who also receives the 'Wouldn't hurt a fly' and 'Best Buy' awards.

Most Improved - Have to agree with the call on Simon Taylor, after goig through a quiet patch, he had come good on a team that is stacked with guards. Steve Broom and Brendan Teys both have improved performances worth mentioning as well.

Defensive - Bryan Jett get this one for his ability to sniff out swats. Nobody else really comes to mind defensively.

6th Man -

Coach - the trio of JC, Ace and Dave Derwin. Assuming he is getting omething, the return of JC proved to be an astute buy for the Pirates. Without him they would be lucky to go 50/50. Rob Rose deserves a special mention for turning the Heat's fortunes around.

Best Hands - Scott Cook, always reliable

Biggest Disappointment - Lloyd Lewis proved to be a cancer yet again. Go play footy if you're ever going to play sport on ozzie soil again. Bruce Brown (another dud import for the Neers) and Grant Kruger tie for second.

Most underrated - Dale Iwanicki. Would go as far as to say he was Gladstone's MVP.

Biggest Nutjob - Thalo takes this award over from last year's recipient Jason Aucoin. Has gone from well respected baller to despised nut case who appears more interested in yaping at referees and bashing around oppoisition players. I heard Logan played a junior state team in a scrimmage match and it got called off because Thalo was tossing them around. Pathetic.

Biggest Whinger - Adam Darragh and Bruce Palmer both lift this trophy together. Gold Coast supporters not far behind them.

Best Nickname - I've heard a few for Adam Eathorne, but won't mention them in fear of being sued.

Biggest Swagger - Ben McGlynn, you'd think he just had his pole polished by 100 of the earth's hottest women. His shorts are about 4 sizes too big as well, I reckon they'd be too big for Bruce Brown.

Best Appetite - Andrew Waite, Bruce Brown and Chris Hamill still duking it out for this one.

Best Venue - Rocky

Overachievers - South West, full probs to everyone on that team

Underachievers - Ipswich. Feel sorry for competitors like Smithy and Stollie who had to play amongst that train wreck. Wello is a decent bloke as well and I don't think he deserves the criticism this team cops. I don't think Lloyd and Marcus were ever going to be good fits for the team. Mackay don't get consideration here ... unfortunate injuries to Fitzy and Col (both very good players) tore the team apart, not overall player cohesion or performance.

Best Poster - Nagas, who always made Fridays amusing.

D League sucks, should be scrapped, with a tweaked competition introduced next year. Koppitke go and practice your free throws ffs.

[Blue Boy]

Got to be some respect given to Jay Andersen at some point. The guy can flat out do it all. I would take him over Jett. Imagine him with some quality bigs around him and some guys who can spread the floor consistently, or who have even hit puberty....

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there is a chance a new southern team will entering the aba, could make things interesting, may change the pools and draw,

there was alot of talk about teams leaving this time last year, any chances of this happening this time?

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I don't want to have a go at any one here, but how can another team enter the league, when we have a team that hasn't won a game all year. Wouldn't it be better to spread the talent to raise the teams we already have? Instead of looking at another team coming in and making it hard for current teams to compete?

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there is a chance a new southern team will entering the aba, could make things interesting, may change the pools and draw,

there was alot of talk about teams leaving this time last year, any chances of this happening this time?

Sounds like the Brisbane Bullets are looking for somewhere to play :) :D

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The curtain is about to come down on the regular season of one of our most competitive seasons in recent memory. Who has the breakdowns of who'll be playing in the first week of finals? I understand some spots are still up for grabs in the men? What are the key games? BRING IT ON!

I've been having a good laugh at al the 'awards' that have been bandied about. Here are my thoughts on a few .....

All Star Five - Cam Tragardh, Bryan Jett, Dave Gurney, Mick Cedar, Scott Cook

MVP - Cam Tragardh, who also receives the 'Wouldn't hurt a fly' and 'Best Buy' awards.

Most Improved - Have to agree with the call on Simon Taylor, after goig through a quiet patch, he had come good on a team that is stacked with guards. Steve Broom and Brendan Teys both have improved performances worth mentioning as well.

Defensive - Bryan Jett get this one for his ability to sniff out swats. Nobody else really comes to mind defensively.

6th Man -

Coach - the trio of JC, Ace and Dave Derwin. Assuming he is getting omething, the return of JC proved to be an astute buy for the Pirates. Without him they would be lucky to go 50/50. Rob Rose deserves a special mention for turning the Heat's fortunes around.

Best Hands - Scott Cook, always reliable

Biggest Disappointment - Lloyd Lewis proved to be a cancer yet again. Go play footy if you're ever going to play sport on ozzie soil again. Bruce Brown (another dud import for the Neers) and Grant Kruger tie for second.

Most underrated - Dale Iwanicki. Would go as far as to say he was Gladstone's MVP.

Biggest Nutjob - Thalo takes this award over from last year's recipient Jason Aucoin. Has gone from well respected baller to despised nut case who appears more interested in yaping at referees and bashing around oppoisition players. I heard Logan played a junior state team in a scrimmage match and it got called off because Thalo was tossing them around. Pathetic.

Biggest Whinger - Adam Darragh and Bruce Palmer both lift this trophy together. Gold Coast supporters not far behind them.

Best Nickname - I've heard a few for Adam Eathorne, but won't mention them in fear of being sued.

Biggest Swagger - Ben McGlynn, you'd think he just had his pole polished by 100 of the earth's hottest women. His shorts are about 4 sizes too big as well, I reckon they'd be too big for Bruce Brown.

Best Appetite - Andrew Waite, Bruce Brown and Chris Hamill still duking it out for this one.

Best Venue - Rocky

Overachievers - South West, full probs to everyone on that team

Underachievers - Ipswich. Feel sorry for competitors like Smithy and Stollie who had to play amongst that train wreck. Wello is a decent bloke as well and I don't think he deserves the criticism this team cops. I don't think Lloyd and Marcus were ever going to be good fits for the team. Mackay don't get consideration here ... unfortunate injuries to Fitzy and Col (both very good players) tore the team apart, not overall player cohesion or performance.

Best Poster - Nagas, who always made Fridays amusing.

D League sucks, should be scrapped, with a tweaked competition introduced next year. Koppitke go and practice your free throws ffs.

first of all i don't know how you can bag out big bruce brown,i thought he was great for twoomba,and probably a big reason why they're going to finish above 500 for the year,what an excellant record for them.the big fella rocked up a bit out of shape but got going through the season.twoomba needed a big man,and a big man he is,they would def lost more games without his inside presence.yeh he got smoked by cam but cam outran a 21 year old in steve broom all game too.gurney had some massive games and is def their mvp,but bruce was great and a character too which is great for the league.

and now for the thalo diss.are you serious?the guy is targeted nearly every game,he controls his emotions most of the time but still can snap,even he'll admit that.
and if you check those stats he is the only player in every category(yes even to's).
the guy just wants to win.
and the game against the u 18 junior team was a joke.these kids were talking shit from the
start,they honestly needed a beat down,it was sad to see a rep side act that way.the game got called off coz the qld team started to get a bit bashed around after their awful trash talk,it was a massive waste of logans time,before a big game too.
you call an established pro player pathetic,i think you need to go tell something like that to a player face to face,or on the court,but i seem to remember that you're not a player,or have never played,just a critic with no game.

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first of all i don't know how you can bag out big bruce brown,i thought he was great for twoomba,and probably a big reason why they're going to finish above 500 for the year,what an excellant record for them.the big fella rocked up a bit out of shape but got going through the season.twoomba needed a big man,and a big man he is,they would def lost more games without his inside presence.yeh he got smoked by cam but cam outran a 21 year old in steve broom all game too.gurney had some massive games and is def their mvp,but bruce was great and a character too which is great for the league.

and now for the thalo diss.are you serious?the guy is targeted nearly every game,he controls his emotions most of the time but still can snap,even he'll admit that.
and if you check those stats he is the only player in every category(yes even to's).
the guy just wants to win.
and the game against the u 18 junior team was a joke.these kids were talking shit from the
start,they honestly needed a beat down,it was sad to see a rep side act that way.the game got called off coz the qld team started to get a bit bashed around after their awful trash talk,it was a massive waste of logans time,before a big game too.
you call an established pro player pathetic,i think you need to go tell something like that to a player face to face,or on the court,but i seem to remember that you're not a player,or have never played,just a critic with no game.


says he who does not put his name on his post!
there just fun awards and I dont see anyone else jumping on and blowing up cus there having a laugh about it all

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hey don't get me wrong,i like alot of the stuff boss playa writes,but calling an established player and a friend pathetic,thats going a bit too far,thats all.

[BJ]

hey don't get me wrong,i like alot of the stuff boss playa writes,but calling an established player and a friend pathetic,thats going a bit too far,thats all.

You must be a Pirates supporter, with your one eye and all ... YARRGGGH!!!

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Sounds like the Brisbane Bullets are looking for somewhere to play :) :D

My Money would be on Runaway Bay

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How can BQ consider adding another team in the South East corner? Maroochydore and Ipswich really struggled this year. The talent is already spread thin. Its damn hard to try and get a competitive team on the court as it is. There's a lot of teams within 200km of each other and very few of the associations have the money to go chasing imports or top australian talent. I've seen firsthand the underhanded stuff that happens now with player movement and and so forth. I mean decent players change teams simply because someone promises them fuel money or lord knows what. Adding another team will just make the situation worse.

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How can BQ consider adding another team in the South East corner? Maroochydore and Ipswich really struggled this year. The talent is already spread thin. Its damn hard to try and get a competitive team on the court as it is. There's a lot of teams within 200km of each other and very few of the associations have the money to go chasing imports or top australian talent. I've seen firsthand the underhanded stuff that happens now with player movement and and so forth. I mean decent players change teams simply because someone promises them fuel money or lord knows what. Adding another team will just make the situation worse.

Garbage: good on em! teams will come and go over time they will be strong or weak from time to time still a couple teams could drop out at any time so fresh blood is a good thing depends on how well managed they are seems also like RB has built towards this over time and have not rushed in blindly

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Underhanded? I think you might mean "moving with the times" Its a semi-pro league which means some guys on the team are going to get looked after. These guys put in hard work to become the better players on their respective teams, heaven forbid clubs reward them for their hard work. Dont give me junior development crap because we all know its garbage atm and the jump from u18's to aba is pretty huge, these kids go out by themselves and work their butts off to get better. They owe noone anything. Its not a fair world. You gotta get down and dirty and work for your club behind the scenes to raise sponsorship if you dont have the better local talent going around. If runaway bay come in then good on them. God forbid them wanting to improve gold coast basketball and spend a little money to put an exciting product on the court.

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If Maroochydore and Ipswich, or teams that struggle to come up with big dollars to entice big name, big game players then why don't they consider merging together to be competitive. Some of these Southern teams are within a hundred odd kms from each other. Surely it is a logical step. Know one likes seeing a team fold but as the cookie crumbles, so do teams. Ask Fitzroy footy club. The supporters HATED the merger, then all of a sudden the Lions win three flags in a row. Didn't hear any complaints then... Pain in the short term may mean joy in the long run... IF, the merged club is ran by sensible, open-minded people. It's just how the league is now. Some teams have five or six guys getting paid money to play, travel expenses, accomodation, cars... It's a pro league. Like it or not

[BJ]

What clown chose Players of the Week for Round 15?????

Cherie Smith was somehow annointed winner with 18 & 7 as the Flames thrashed the pants off the Clippers. Not exactly a performance worthy of accolades.

More deserving players who missed out ....

- Katrina Bloomfield (Cairns) 27 & 4 in an upset of Maroochy

- Rhona Price (Neers) 41 & 20 in a 30-point victory over Bundy

- Bec Haynes (Logan) 23 & 7 in a W over South West

How Rhonda Price missed out baffles me as much as how Smith got it.

As for the men, Stolberg got it after going 41 & 22 in a loss to the Bulls. Perhaps Jay Andersen feels as duped as Rhona Price. In a three-game weekend he went 38 & 17.

What a joke!

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What clown chose Players of the Week for Round 15?????

Cherie Smith was somehow annointed winner with 18 & 7 as the Flames thrashed the pants off the Clippers. Not exactly a performance worthy of accolades.

More deserving players who missed out ....

- Katrina Bloomfield (Cairns) 27 & 4 in an upset of Maroochy

- Rhona Price (Neers) 41 & 20 in a 30-point victory over Bundy

- Bec Haynes (Logan) 23 & 7 in a W over South West

How Rhonda Price missed out baffles me as much as how Smith got it.

As for the men, Stolberg got it after going 41 & 22 in a loss to the Bulls. Perhaps Jay Andersen feels as duped as Rhona Price. In a three-game weekend he went 38 & 17.

What a joke!

Its not the first time this year that BQ have plucked a mysterious player of the week. I have no major drama with it though, she is the first Flames player to recieve one of these awards all season i think and they would have won a heap more of them if there players played more than 20 minutes.

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It's just how the league is now. Some teams have five or six guys getting paid money to play, travel expenses, accomodation, cars... It's a pro league. Like it or not
I'm sure kids with NCAA aspirations playing in the league on teams that pay players wouldnt want that story broadcast too far.

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Think anderson missed out on it because of his game 3. He went 38 and 17 over 3 games stolberg went 41 and 22 over 1, one guy went 0 and 1 for his weekend and the other went 1 and 3 so its much of a muchness. I dont think anderson really cares anyway he seems all business. I totally agree with you the POTW is a joke most weeks. Give it to someone who played well in a meaningful game. how it could come out of the bundy ippy game amazes me.

As for the top of the page post. Ippy does have money to spend, what planet have you been living on? Maroochy has had money for the last few years too(but chose not to spend it this year) Ippy had a decent amount of money they just picked the WRONG guys. You need sponsorship but at the end of the day if you choose the wrong ppl you will still lose. Ippy are in a strong position as a club regardless of their position on the qabl ladder. Maroochy are fine too, these clubs are not gonna fold, maroochy were on of the most exciting teams last season with fitz and zane goin nuts, its called a rebuilding year champ!!!! All teams are fine, look at south west from 2 seasons ago. went 1 and 17 for the year NICE RECORD! Now they are 1 game out of first and clearly ahead in the south and could finish 15 and 3, in 2 years.

As for the first 6 or 7 guys gettin paid, not sure what your smokin but I want some. Rocky pay 4 and they would be clearly the most. Martin, Thompson, Mcdade and Dumbidauscis.

Mackay 2nd payin Kruger, george, fitz and oriad (meel and pierce replaced oriad and fitz and took their money).

Tville would throw mic cedar some and maybe goody a little.

Marlins- would pay 1 or 2

Pirates- none, JC for coaching

Goldy- dont think any but they might give jase A some coin.

Neers- 1

Ippy- 2

Bundy- 1 was 2

Wiz- 1

Maroochy- none

Gladdy- 2, Blair for coaching

Suns- 1

Caps- 1

Logan- 2, maybe 3 might throw broom some, just a guess

All in all I would not call it a pro league with 90 percent of teams payin 2 guys out of 12-15.
And as far as guys with NCAA aspirations go they have no worries, clubs these days are smart enough to disguise payments and make up bogus roles for these players to work for the club for. Its a good way for everyone to be happy, good players get paid and kids get to college. Most kids who go NCAA div 1 or div 2 come out of the AIS anyway, most others attend junior college or NAIA where there are no restrictions so its all good.

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Underhanded? I think you might mean "moving with the times" Its a semi-pro league which means some guys on the team are going to get looked after. These guys put in hard work to become the better players on their respective teams, heaven forbid clubs reward them for their hard work. Dont give me junior development crap because we all know its garbage atm and the jump from u18's to aba is pretty huge, these kids go out by themselves and work their butts off to get better. They owe noone anything. .

If junior development is 'garbage atm' whereever you are playing then that's very sad. Juniors are the lifeblood of all associations, where do you think the money comes from to pay all the QABL costs? Some is from sponsors, but a lot comes from junior revenue. I realise some guys are going to get looked after, that's fine. But to say players don't owe anyone anything is a bit steep. Look at the reaction to Sonny Bill Williams, look at the state of the NBL. Everyone's pointing fingers at pretty much every NBL championship team in the past five years and saying 'they cheated the salary cap'. The QABL has to be sustainable. The NBL has lost three teams from last season. The League is not sustainable, unless you have someone with deep pockets pumping money into the club. The other clubs can't compete with those teams and Singapore just looked at it and thought 'screw it, it's costing us too much money and no one knows where the league is going' and pulled the pin. Bob Turner said those very words yesterday. I'd hate to see Associations do the same thing in the QABL. I've been told it costs roughly $50 - $60,000 to run QABL programs without paying players... that's a LOT of money at a time when the general public (and a lot of potential sponsors) look at basketball and think 'no one cares about that sport, its dead. That perception, especially since the Bullets folded makes it very hard to get any new sponsors interested in a QABL team. If you think that's garbage, go sit in on a board meeting sometime at your association and ask where it makes most of its money.

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There is NO salary cap in the QABL!! And teams have 2 options! Cry about it like a baby, or roll up the sleeves and get it done! "oh its too hard, its too hard" Well thats fine, dont worry about it, unfortunately you will never get that far, but its not all about winning. alot of clubs are very hapy with their aba team year in year out.

Basketball is NOT dead at all, especially in the juniors, all you have to do is go out to an association on a sat morning and its packed!!! kids everywhere. When I was saying junior development is crap I didnt mean the associations club programs, not at all, all clubs need to be praised for their local comps, i think they are all awesome. I was talking about programs for elite kids in juniors. The AIS is great but that covers the top 14 kids from 15 to 19 years old, what about the hundreds of good kids who are not in that top 14, that is the crap part of junior development. What do these kids do after u18 between aba. The associations cut them loose from that time, then they go out and make something of themselves and improve. Like i said most of these kids dont owe the clubs where they played u14 and so on ANYTHING. What do these clubs do for the kids? The sonny bill williams thing is totally different!!! He was signed to a 4 year contract, if a player in the QABL signed a 4 year contract then he should honour it. there r no 4 year deals, if he was off contract like all qabl players are each year he would have NO loyalty to the bulldogs. The bulldogs didnt teach him football. The NBL is totally different too, it has a salary cap, some teams most likely do cheat it but thats up to the league. You could never put a salary cap on the qabl.

The NBL and ABA are totally different. Most of the teams in the nbl come from MAJOR cities and have huge backing in the community thats y they can get money in. Some of these aba teams come from very small towns, towns of small populations and with very small junior and senior ranks, so it is a MUST to bring in players to compete.

We seem to have this argument each year. Either go out and chase sponsorship and do the right recruiting or get you ASS handed to you. Its a simple choice.

See you next year

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You were right about the Goannas not paying there players! Noone gets paid at the Goannas, they all have to pay to play. All the Goannas pay their own rego's and recently had to pay there own way to the Rocky Mackay road trip (hence only 8 players and no coach).

Jason Aucoin, Adam Darragh and alike all play for the jersey and good luck to them. They may even win it all.

No complaints, just setting the record straight.

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"where do you think the money comes from to pay all the QABL costs? Some is from sponsors, but a lot comes from junior revenue"

I would suggest that you check your facts before speaking so generally, some QABL clubs need to utilise the funds generated by other parts of the organisations and some rely solely on the income generated from the QABL alone.

And before you jump on the bandwagon of it's OK for you to say all this because your from Rocky - what Rocky have has not always been the case. But some key people have worked tirelessly over an extended period of time to have the program at where it is today.

Some of those people in fact have assisted other organisations as much as possible to ensure they grow as well. We have ensured that we have shared resources and information with at least two other clubs this year - WHY - caused they asked. Why did they ask because they want to improve.

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Who are the 2 players that Ippy pay?

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Do Rocky pay Steve Weigh as well?

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Do Rocky pay Steve Weigh as well?

Heard they got him a car at the start of the season, among other things. This was probably provided by a sponsor, so no cost bore by the club.

As for Ippy, would be surprised if they were paying anyone, although I'm sure they helped a few players out by assisting with jobs etc. No different to any other association.

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Heard they got him a car at the start of the season, among other things. This was probably provided by a sponsor, so no cost bore by the club.

As for Ippy, would be surprised if they were paying anyone, although I'm sure they helped a few players out by assisting with jobs etc. No different to any other association.


that's hilarious... Steve Weigh's dad is Ian Weigh, owner of Ian Weigh Toyota.. you want me to spell it out to you BJ.. i think dad is okay with him borrowing a vehicle, oh and he's also working for his dad too and helping him out but hey.. keep up the good work AGENT 99..

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Heard they got him a car at the start of the season, among other things. This was probably provided by a sponsor, so no cost bore by the club.

As for Ippy, would be surprised if they were paying anyone, although I'm sure they helped a few players out by assisting with jobs etc. No different to any other association.

Is $ 300 per game to that stellar athlete Lloyd Lewis considered "paying anyone"? It just shows how bad Ippy are run if they agreed to pay LL any money at all!! I mean my gawd what were they thinking?????

Happens every year out there thou, so it is no suprise!!

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Heard they got him a car at the start of the season, among other things. This was probably provided by a sponsor, so no cost bore by the club.

As for Ippy, would be surprised if they were paying anyone, although I'm sure they helped a few players out by assisting with jobs etc. No different to any other association.


Ippy were paying Lloyd a little until he became a train wreck, he is the only player, love the message from the guy who seems to know who every team is paying... lol jack ass

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Is $ 300 per game to that stellar athlete Lloyd Lewis considered "paying anyone"? It just shows how bad Ippy are run if they agreed to pay LL any money at all!! I mean my gawd what were they thinking?????

Happens every year out there thou, so it is no suprise!!


Love the way people get on here and bag associations and not put there name on it, all class

DP

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Heard they got him a car at the start of the season, among other things. This was probably provided by a sponsor, so no cost bore by the club.

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Steve's family own Weigh Toyota Rockhampton.

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Steve's family own Weigh Toyota Rockhampton.


pretty sure Ian Weigh is also the president for rocky basketball.

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Love the way people get on here and bag associations and not put there name on it, all class

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Where was the bagging? It was a valid question, what were Ippy thinking when they decided to pay LL $300 a match. I mean its not like he was a church choir boy? The man has a track record, then he becomes a "train wreck"? Hint he always has been a train wreck.

DP, you want me to tell you about similiar poor investments that Ippy have made to other players in the past few years? I mean you have been in Ippy a second, so maybe you don't know. Quick to comment but.

DP so you think paying $300 a match to LL is a good investment? That is the figure too,or did you even know? Enlighten me...

IW

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Just because a player dosen't receive money, dosen't mean there not gettin benefits for playing. Take for example, Mackay. Over the course of the season, seven players have been on the payroll. (That's total players not at the same time.) Five players received free accomodation. Two brand new cars were dished out as well as one for the women, and three for the coaches. Jobs were found. Regos were paid and worst of all, a losing record was achieved. Well done guys. Anyone wanna guess the total cash spent by Mackay?

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DP,

Where was the bagging? It was a valid question, what were Ippy thinking when they decided to pay LL $300 a match. I mean its not like he was a church choir boy? The man has a track record, then he becomes a "train wreck"? Hint he always has been a train wreck.

DP, you want me to tell you about similiar poor investments that Ippy have made to other players in the past few years? I mean you have been in Ippy a second, so maybe you don't know. Quick to comment but.

DP so you think paying $300 a match to LL is a good investment? That is the figure too,or did you even know? Enlighten me...

IW

Unfortunatly we don't have your resources, so if we have to gamble a little bit you win some lose some. We had to gamble on talant. We can't buy sure things and if they get hurt or don't fit in replace them.

So in hindsight getting lloyd didn't work out however at the time it was a good decison to add many qualities to the ippy team

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big resources rather, not your resources

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Unfortunatly we don't have your resources, so if we have to gamble a little bit you win some lose some. We had to gamble on talant. We can't buy sure things and if they get hurt or don't fit in replace them.

So in hindsight getting lloyd didn't work out however at the time it was a good decison to add many qualities to the ippy team

Ok the bigger question really is what do you need to do to recruit/buy/rent or whatever enough players compliment what yuo have (or don't have). Rocky seem to do a good job as a yardstick but teams like Ippi flounder. Brisbane do little but are always very competitive so why?

Ippi via Wello went out and actively recruited Chng and Lewis got Stolly and Robbo back but still came up short, why? And I am not talking the nasty crap of they cannot play.

As I said Brisbane always seem to have a team of more or less locals as do the coast and SWM and Logan (maybe with a some added in) and have been very competitive, but Ippis plan not so. They tried and came up short very short. So its 2009 now what do the likes of Ippi do to get off the bottom rung and more so without sending the club broke how do they get better players to want to play for them?

Not bagging anyone out, I just see a lot of hate out there but no real constructive answers..

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Unfortunatly we don't have your resources, so if we have to gamble a little bit you win some lose some. We had to gamble on talant. We can't buy sure things and if they get hurt or don't fit in replace them.

So in hindsight getting lloyd didn't work out however at the time it was a good decison to add many qualities to the ippy team


cant see how it was a good idea from the start, pre season he was training yes but then going to the TAB and drinking, HELLO there are the signs that he was never going to be good for the program.

Bringing in players is tough without the correct coaching.

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Glad you liked my msg. You will find 90% of the guys on the list I put are getting paid. Once again glad I could entertain you lol..........BITCH

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Stevie weigh doesnt get paid hahaha he doesnt get cars. His dad is the richest guy in town and owns the biggest toyota dealership in AUS. He has everything he could ever want and he grew up with the rockets and loves them. As for mackay yes perhaps 7 players recieved money but as soon as oriad and fitz stopped playin 2 weeks later they stopped being paid. You dont pay out contracts in the qabl for injuries so really 5 guys got paid! thats what they budgeted for and thats what happened. Hope that clears it up for you. Brisbane logan and south west have all paid atleast 1 guy this year so dont bag ippy and say look at these other teams cause thats rubbish. And mackay guys getting "brand new" cars. pull the other one it plays jingle bells!!!!! there would of been 2 used cars for the guys who live 2gether to share, when you say they ALL had their accom paid for it sounds great but they all live 2gether. Way to exagerate your story, but you can show it from 2 different perspectives.

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Glad you liked my msg. You will find 90% of the guys on the list I put are getting paid. Once again glad I could entertain you lol..........


there are more players getting paid then what was on that list, weither it be a "JOB" (which is just a smart way around it) or fuel they are still getting something in the pocket, at least another 10 players to ad to that list.

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Apart from Fitzgerald and Zane the mackay restricted players couldn't care less whether they win or lose. just as long as they get theirs.

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Ok the bigger question really is what do you need to do to recruit/buy/rent or whatever enough players compliment what yuo have (or don't have). Rocky seem to do a good job as a yardstick but teams like Ippi flounder. Brisbane do little but are always very competitive so why?

Ippi via Wello went out and actively recruited Chng and Lewis got Stolly and Robbo back but still came up short, why? And I am not talking the nasty crap of they cannot play.

As I said Brisbane always seem to have a team of more or less locals as do the coast and SWM and Logan (maybe with a some added in) and have been very competitive, but Ippis plan not so. They tried and came up short very short. So its 2009 now what do the likes of Ippi do to get off the bottom rung and more so without sending the club broke how do they get better players to want to play for them?

Not bagging anyone out, I just see a lot of hate out there but no real constructive answers..

i think i have a few answers to some of your questions:
1. Rocky is cashed up and they have been in the buying players scene a long time so practice makes perfect and having cash to be able to eat the good cheese obviously helps...
2. Brisbane biggest player base in QLD, they have more teams in their mens association then we have senior players total...
3. Program attractiveness: Success breeds success good players who play for free wanna play where programs are going well...
4. Coaching Staff: nothing against Ippy coaching Stuff but the respect level needs to be a lot higher for a player coach to work, the ones that work Smith, Cameron have older more experienced Coaches who run the program not someone who asked there mates to come play for him they have a decent team they just need to put it together better, better luck next year i guess..

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Apart from Fitzgerald and Zane the mackay restricted players couldn't care less whether they win or lose. just as long as they get theirs.

CONGRATULATIONS on your award....

HAHAHA as hard as it is im pretty sure you have somehow managed to have posted the STUPIDEST post of the year... Idiot

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I agree there would probably be more players getting helped, since I posted a few days ago I came to know logan paid quite a few more players than I originally thought. Am happy to be proven wrong, just cant stand fools coming on here with no idea preaching absolute rubbish and that they think they are "in the know" with all the clubs.
Mackay went out and got the best players from last year, meel fitz oriad deba. But what they didnt realize is that their indiviadual points totals from their teams do not mean they will get that many when they play together, krugs is a solid role player but looks a bit past it. The difference with coach king and neil tweedy (cause they both have very similar budgets) is that coach king gets the best individual players and tweedy gets what he needs. People hate on what mcdade and dumblidauscus do, but they have done everything asked of them. Guys like jett and anderson get numbers on teams that get smoked week in and week out (sorry guys, bit of a low blow I know). Rocky had great scorers in martin thompson and weigh so he didnt go out and get some yank that was gonna be all gangsta and try and get his, he brought in guys who are no frills blue collar workers who bring their hardhat and lunchpail to each game. Its not a coincidance. Some of the south teams needs to get the best guy available so im not hatin on jett and anderson cause their teams need them to be that good, and they are!!! But a team like mackay needed to get some guys who would get down and dirty, play some hardnose D and work. Once fitz went down(all heart) they were dead cause they had the all fancy pretty boy squad who will try and outscore you. But the power nth teams have too much firepower and they play D also.

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SW mens team do not pay any players

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Well if you dont count jason cameron as a player then that is true! I agree cause you pay him to coach. Pirates def do the best job with local and localish guys cause they are still relatively new to the L

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RD 16 wow where exactly did it go, this season gives me a feeling of DeJavu of my first time it was a little awkward at first and finished really well but most reminiscent of all is that went alot quicker than i thought it would...

alot of talk about overachievers and underachievers but at the end of the day basketball is the real winner once again after another fantabulous season of Australia's premier winter basketball league.. a few questions are raised after this year and in honour of highly populated friends who are hosting the Olympics this year i'v asked my new bookie Ai Rui Nong to give you his thoughts on the last regular season games of 08...

Rocky v Cairns
gladstone police are already receivin loud noise complaints from people living within 50klms of Rocky, Cairns got it done at the Fish Bowl but at the gold mine (wat do they call it?) its a whole new kettle of fish... crowd pumpin, rum & beer flowing and chics dancing really badly jus the atmosphere needed for a game like this without pretty boy Joel khalu dont know if they can pull off rockies first home loss... $10 on Rocky
Rock 2:1 Cairns 3:1

Bundy v Wiz
1st question for Mr Nong will Bundy be in the comp next year? Mr Nong consultated the oracle and says the dogg with a V will have to work hard in off season for the raging to bull to enter china shop, that was also his prediction for this game... jay to score 57pts but trig to get 63 an Wiz to host QTR finals... $20 on Wiz
Wiz 2:1 Bulls 6:1

Logan v Caps
i'll say it again who's going to show up this week Thunder or Sunshower, after last week efforts Nong says you'd have to be eating mushrooms from underneath mossy log to back them against the UPPER CASE letters... $45 on Capitals
Caps 2:1 Logan 4:1

Neers v Clippers
enjoy the beers on way home Clips. $2 on Neers
Neers 2:1 Clips 3:1

Suns v Force
there's going to be a humongous fight in this game, i'm not sure if its between ippy n suns or suns an suns or ippy an ippy but all i know is someone is going to get punched... $20 on Suns
Suns 2:1 Ippy 5:1

Power v Cairns
well its a case of jumping out of the pan an straight into the fire for the Marlins, there will be 50 Mexicans in the crowd ready to drink coranas, throw empty tequilla bottles and cheer for their amigo's... 3 days of strait drinking and thats just what the Power Drank before the game... $100 on Power
Power 2:1 Cairns 2.1:1

Mkay v Heat
Nong says rock fall from sky make great heat, i think he means $50 on Heat
Heat 2:1 Mkay 7:1

GC v SW
will there be another quad OT in this game, Nong said Confucius say man who eat Lizard guts will surely dine again.. my interpretation GC wins this week then plays SW next in QTRs $30 on GC
GC 2:1 SW 3:1

well thats it for the Reg Season good luck to everyone in your mad monday drinking games i hope noone gets alcohol poisoning although if no-one from power does this year i'll extremely dissappopinted to those who are still going next week good luck to you too i guess...

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Just watching the Live stats of the Rocky Cairns Mens game - seems to have been a couple of swings in momentum in the last qtr... Would love to hear from anyone who was there...

Cheers!

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Heat need to nail Mackay (http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2008/08/02/15124_sport.html)

TOWNSVILLE Heat face a must-win game against the Mackay Meteors if they want to secure a QABL home quarter-final. The Heat, who are sitting in third spot with 13 wins and four losses, play Mackay Meteors (11th with six wins, 11 losses) on the road tonight.

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In the women's match, Townsville Flames will be looking to repeat last week's 122-49 whitewash of Maroochydore against Mackay tonight.

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Marsh to notch Clipper century (http://www.thedaily.com.au/news/2008/aug/02/marsh-notch-clipper-century/)

Cali Marsh may only have played a third of the games for the Maroochydore Clippers that Jodi Page has managed, but she will still bring up a significant milestone tonight.

The 30-year-old guard/forward will play her 100th QABL game when the Clippers finish off the home and away rounds with a clash against the Toowoomba Mountaineers in the Darling Downs city.

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Cyclones sweep Dolphins aside (http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3780494)

THE Rockhampton Hog's Breath Cafe Cyclones kept their finals hopes alive at Hegvold Stadium last night, sinking play-off rivals the Cairns Dolphins 96-52. Cyclones forward Amy Lewis was simply unstoppable for the home side, who needed the beat the Dolphins by more than 11 points in their final-round QABL showdown to stay in the finals hunt. Lewis, who has signed with WNBL club the Townsville Flames, hit a game-high 30 points, which included five three-pointers, while team-mate Steph Jones was equally impressive, finishing with 27 points and 19 rebounds.

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I'll be right on the night: Mackay star keen to shrug off injury scare (http://www.dailymercury.com.au/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3780476)

Star guard Kelly Wilson sent a scare through the Mackay Meteorettes' camp during the week when she twisted her ankle at a training session.

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Meanwhile, tonight's match against the Townsville Heat marks the end of the 4MK Good Guys Meteors' season and coach Leonard King said his team was eager to finish the year on a high note.

But a victory would be a significant task for the Meteors, whose season has been decimated by injuries, including the loss of high-profile captain John Fitzgerald in round five.

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Mountaineers' coach calls it quits (http://www.thechronicle.com.au/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3780479)

BASKETBALL is an addiction for Jenny Buchbach, which is why she will find it so hard to give the game away.

After six years coaching the Toowoomba Mountaineers women and more than 40 years playing the game, Buchbach has thrown in the towel.

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The Mountaineers women would have been a laughing stock this season (yes even with their American!!) without hard working, never give up, 100% guts player Melissa Tape. Week in, week out she's doing it - rarely rating a mention from anyone.
I have been involved in basketball for a long time and yet to see another player who 'turns up' every game - and gives it her all. Odd games her shooting is not really on - but I don't know many players like Tapey, who have to do it all - bring up the ball, set up plays, defend and can't be taken off the court or the team falls to bits.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Definitely one of a kind - Excellent effort, Great season Melissa!!!!

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Thalo Green proved he is a classless act after his thuggish effort against Brisbane tonight. Pathetic.

Logan go through on the tie to play the Pirates. Kinda feel that Gold Coast or even the Neers would have been more worthy opponents but whatever ....

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Thalo Green proved he is a classless act after his thuggish effort against Brisbane tonight. Pathetic.

Logan go through on the tie to play the Pirates. Kinda feel that Gold Coast or even the Neers would have been more worthy opponents but whatever ....


What happened with Thalo?

In other news Ippy men collected their second win of the year with a nail biting win over Caloundra

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Thalo Green proved he is a classless act after his thuggish effort against Brisbane tonight. Pathetic.

Logan go through on the tie to play the Pirates. Kinda feel that Gold Coast or even the Neers would have been more worthy opponents but whatever ....

you're an absloute knob mate,who has clearly never spoken to thalo off the court.give it a try,maybe even get some balls and tell him what you think face to face before coming on here week after week and bagging him.
logan have deserved their finals spot and i hope it's a great game next week.if thats your best report on a game where broomy scored 43 off the bench against a really strong brissy team than i hope this is the only place you have a voice.

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Why on earth did Orlick leave Thalo in the game last night? He started bad and only got worse as the game went on. His lack of ball handling skills and team leadership at the point hurts Logan in a big way. His selfish play really limits what that team could do. Broomt had 43 but could have easily had 50+ had he seen the ball from Thalo more often. Yeh Thalo got his and finished with a triple double in garbage time after the game was well and truly over. He should have been iced with at least 5 mins to go. Whole possessions where he would just dribble the air out of the ball and throw up some rubbish shot with the D in his face.

Logan should play Gureckis or Meyerding (was sick last night) at the point, Thalo should get back on the block where he belongs and just stop crying the whole game about every call and every mistake that he or his team mates make. BBI must have been rubbing their hands together seeing him stay in the game and run the point last night.

On another note the Logan team D is really bad. Obviously they haven't been drilled on any basic team concepts at all. 5 guys just watching the ball the whole game, terrible D trans, guys gambling in the lanes trying to make the million dollar play. At a semi-pro level this is terrible.

BTW Thalo's cheap elbow on Gameron late in the game should have got him tossed after he had been acting like an idiot all night. Should be at least reviewed by match-review committee to be cited.

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you're an absloute knob mate,who has clearly never spoken to thalo off the court.give it a try,maybe even get some balls and tell him what you think face to face before coming on here week after week and bagging him.


Sorry Thalo's mum/dad/pet canary/bloke who brings milk to his door, I call em as I see em. Thalo has gone from once-respected baller to complete nutjob with apparent mental issues (Barry Hall anyone?). As already stated, his cheap shot on Gameron in GARBAGE TIME was utterly pathetic, and if BQ had any balls, they'd haul him into the judiciary. Can't talk yourself outta this one!

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that JC fella from south west, is he not the biggest tool in the toolbox. farout, the bloke screams at his team...and ppl think he is a leader. he cries after every call thats not in his favor and then practicly kisses the refs asses to make up for it. an absolute wanka that was a disgrace to watch. ppl think he is the man wen he ends up wt 20+ but the douchebag would have been 6 or so out of about 18 - 25 shots from beyond the arc against GC. SW young fellas can play the game, mainly teys who plays fundamentally perfect. awesome to watch, along with the black guard...doing sum amazing shit that was wicked to see. big hand to aucoin who kept his team involved all night and created endless opputunities in a scrappy game, played extremely well.

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agree with posts about thalo but orlick is a terrible coach needs to learn about subs timing and player strenghs. tom ammar is a great catch and shot player hardly saw the ball in space all night.

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but the douchebag would have been 6 or so out of about 18 - 25 shots from beyond the arc against GC.

7 of 15 to be exact for a 47% clip, along with 5 boards and 6 dimes. Not bad for a 'douchebag' !!!! :lol2:

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I am confused...someone please fill me in. I don't understand how Logan got through to the playoffs if they tie with the Neers and GC and that GC won the tie breaker between them and Logan. Thanks

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It's a 3 way tie and GC lost twice to the Neers

[Mugsy]

I know Thalo well - in fact it was on my recommendation that he was looked at as a recruit for an Australian team. His record speaks for itself - not many of you that post on here can lay claim to being the Queensland MVP of the ABA. He is a great bloke who plays passionately for the club he plays with.

I wish he could still be on a Rocky team sometimes, but he is helping the league enormously by playing with Logan. He sucks in, chews up and spits out some of the so called "studs" of this league and triple doubles against anyone in garbage time or not will testify to that.

I am here to vouch for a guy that may have over stepped the mark in a game or two - anyone else like to add there comments with their names - ohh shit that might be a touch a hard now huh.....thats right aiming up with your name might actually mean trying to back it up.

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I dont think anyone should be judged too hard based on what they are like on the court.
Thalo can be a little intense sometimes, but I hear he is a top bloke off the court.
Shit, even I can be a douche, and whine a lot during game time, doesnt mean im a douche in real life (well i hope not anyways!).
Everyone gets the adrenaline pumping and does some silly shite, but thats just sport.

Anyways, thanks to all the teams this year and goodluck in the finals. Wasnt the most successful year for the Clipps, but I appreciate that you guys didn't rip on us too hard here on the forums!

L.Hedges

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I am confused...someone please fill me in. I don't understand how Logan got through to the playoffs if they tie with the Neers and GC and that GC won the tie breaker between them and Logan. Thanks

In 3 way tie it is broken by win% of the games played between the tied teams, then if it is still even, pts% of those game, then if it is still even overall pts%.

Logan won 3 lost 1 = 75%
T'ba won 2 lost 2 = 50%
Goldie won1 lost 3 = 25%

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I'm sure kids with NCAA aspirations playing in the league on teams that pay players wouldnt want that story broadcast too far.

True that!!

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For those who bagged JC and Thalo. They are two of the best blokes you could have on your team. Both well skilled and will do what is needed to get the team across the line. They have the experience and understanding of what is required to play the game at the NEXT level and have the ability to lead their team. They have a passion and respect for the game that make them class acts off the court. They are both competitive and hate losing. I don't condone cheap shots at all but players do get heated and I have received a few from senior players over my playing career . A smack in the chops from one of those players is actually a compliment to any player. It means your getting close to the level required assuming it was received because of your play and not a provocation.

JC will do what is needed, score if required, take a charge, be a stopper, assists, rebounds, leadership, organiser and he's played that way since was a kid.

How many times did Thalo dive on the floor after a loose ball in his teams loss to Brisbane? And that was while being asked to cover the loss of Todd Meyerding at the point to the point of exhaustion.

Those guys have earnt some respect.

Can't wait for the South West v Logan quarter finals both men and women should be great!

Good luck to all!

Polly

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For those who bagged JC and Thalo. They are two of the best blokes you could have on your team. Both well skilled and will do what is needed to get the team across the line. They have the experience and understanding of what is required to play the game at the NEXT level and have the ability to lead their team. They have a passion and respect for the game that make them class acts off the court. They are both competitive and hate losing. I don't condone cheap shots at all but players do get heated and I have received a few from senior players over my playing career . A smack in the chops from one of those players is actually a compliment to any player. It means your getting close to the level required assuming it was received because of your play and not a provocation.

JC will do what is needed, score if required, take a charge, be a stopper, assists, rebounds, leadership, organiser and he's played that way since was a kid.

How many times did Thalo dive on the floor after a loose ball in his teams loss to Brisbane? And that was while being asked to cover the loss of Todd Meyerding at the point to the point of exhaustion.

Those guys have earnt some respect.



Can't wait for the South West v Logan quarter finals both men and women should be great!

Good luck to all!

Polly


Orlick better have a rabbit in the hat to pull out because it is a total fluke that Logan is there.
If Richard had a team of Thalos they'd be a team to contend with but seriously last time they played SW (2 wks ago?) the game was as exciting as watching paint dry. SW are unstoppable and deserve every accolade getting to this point... all credit to the entire Pirates team from coaches, players and especially supporters. Go Pirates. Good luck Logan!

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heath gameron deserved any cheap shot he got,he's dogged logan two years in a row,he knows that he did the wrong thing by them.logan have no true point guard in their team,todd's doin his best and same with thalo,good luck this week boys

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The SW v Logan game is back at Runcorn as Hibiscua is unavailable for those of you interested.

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heath gameron deserved any cheap shot he got,he's dogged logan two years in a row,he knows that he did the wrong thing by them.logan have no true point guard in their team,todd's doin his best and same with thalo,good luck this week boys

Heath had to do what Heath did for his own growth and development. It wasn't/isn't at Logan. There are no skilled point guards at QABL level at Logan and won't be unless that Association starts to develop their Juniors. AND not rely on 'other' avenues of obtaining skilled players for their top teams. Logan is a strong Association- but unfortunately they lack in developing players in the basic fundamental skills. Don't take this out on Heath. Volunteer your time and effort to get alot of the upcoming juniors skilled so that one whole association does not depend on ONE key player. Logan dleague (mens) were lacking and underskilled too.

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Which star system are you from cyborg! Logan has a plethora of talented juniors. I think you will find ABA caliber players in every age group boys and girls, D League to Thunderball. Broom at Crocs, Morris the youngest player in ABA and making a contribution, great people in Thalo Gecko and Todd to learn from. Same in the women with Megan and Brittany. Heath definately a talent as a 6'6"point. Needs a team where he can be the court leader.

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Probably not fair to dog anyone. Need to more look at the program itself. You see alot of talk about what players teams have in their roster. I think the program a club runs is more inportant. Mackay heavy roster, under achieved? SWM young talented roster, over achieved? By the way Beau Bergen from Bundy and Luke Stewart from Northside are younger than Morris.

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Which star system are you from cyborg! Logan has a plethora of talented juniors. I think you will find ABA caliber players in every age group boys and girls, D League to Thunderball. Broom at Crocs, Morris the youngest player in ABA and making a contribution, great people in Thalo Gecko and Todd to learn from. Same in the women with Megan and Brittany. Heath definately a talent as a 6'6"point. Needs a team where he can be the court leader.

The problem with Logan is that the right talent come to the trials but are not picked because of some very bias coaches who make choices on who's who not how they play. At Logan you are either in the "in crowd" or not & if you are not well you may as well move to another association.

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heath gameron deserved any cheap shot he got,he's dogged logan two years in a row,he knows that he did the wrong thing by them.logan have no true point guard in their team,todd's doin his best and same with thalo,good luck this week boys

thalo is that you?

thats crap man how can any player deserve a cheap shot? especially heath its a fight all ready won and the guy would not say a word. Heath wants to go to college but is a junior from logan, Tom Ammar is a junior also.

alot of teams dont have great point guards but they get the job done.