QABL off-season thread

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Time for an off-season thread..?

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The 2008 ACC Men All-Star Five:

Ryan McDade Rockhampton Rockets
Daniel Johnson Melbourne Tigers
Daryl Corletto Melbourne Tigers
Anthony Stewart Hobart Chargers
Jermaine Maybank Sandringham Sabres

Men Grand Final MVP:
Ryan McDade Rockhampton Rockets

The 2008 ACC Women All-Star Five:

Sharin Milner Hume Broncos
Rachael Flanagan Townsville Flames
Cherie Smith Townsville Flames
Sally Potocki Sydney Comets
Clare Papavs Kilysth Lady Cobras

Women Grand Final MVP:
Cherie Smith Townsville Flames

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Interesting that even after winning the ABA two years in a row those victorians still don't think we are good enough to be in the ACC/ABA select team:

http://www.seabl.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=584&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=7601ad8e2e

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so who is coaching the caps next season now bruce has moved back over the other side of the river?? is he taking dusty with him?
also whats the news in the new franshise Runaway Bay coming into the L next yr?
Is it too early to speculate/talk about possibly player/coach movements over this off season yet??

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"Is it too early to speculate/talk about possibly player/coach movements over this off season yet??"


Its never too early too talk about player/coach movements....


-Maroochydore has signed Shaq to a 3 year deal.....look out

-Gladstone go old school and suit up Leroy Loggins (still good for 15 in the aba)

-Oh and Shaun Kemp? rumoured to be talking to himself and the Bunderberg Bulls.... should fit in well. Got Reign?

-Logan bring in World B Free......wins best name in the league

-Cairns looking at signing Jawai again one day.........NBA says no......heeellllll no

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so who is coaching the caps next season now bruce has moved back over the other side of the river?? is he taking dusty with him?
also whats the news in the new franshise Runaway Bay coming into the L next yr?
Is it too early to speculate/talk about possibly player/coach movements over this off season yet??



The Caps job would have to go to North Brisbane Dragons super coach Geoff Tarrent, developed alot of good players in the GBL and ABA.

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The Caps job would have to go to North Brisbane Dragons super coach Geoff Tarrent, developed alot of good players in the GBL and ABA.
Thats for sure Mick!

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Interesting that even after winning the ABA two years in a row those victorians still don't think we are good enough to be in the ACC/ABA select team:

http://www.seabl.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=584&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=7601ad8e2e

looks more like a Seabl team with some melbourne players that Gaze likes nice of them to call themselves ACC team tho...

we would sign Leroy just for the crowd numbers and he still would prob score 15 a game gota respect the legend...

in reality V-dogg has been signed for another year at the bulls an will be on the recruitment drive a few months earlier then the week he was given last season...

early prediction is Marychdore to palm off the wooden spoon an win their 1st game...

an maybe not reality but runaway bay come in which cause a pool reshufffle an gladstone goes south an makes semi's for first time in 3 yrs of full state aba...

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an maybe not reality but runaway bay come in which cause a pool reshufffle an gladstone goes south

yeah, cause runaway bay is waaaaay further north than gladstone. hahahaha

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haha no ballbag this isnt a geography lesson...

if runaway bay comes in that makes 16 team comp means the pools will logically have to be reshuffled...
one possible scenario is 16 teams 4 pools of 4 teams gladstone goes south.. but who knows what Qabl will do in all their wisdom...

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the only way gladdy would be anywhere other than in the northern pool is if there were 3 in each pool or the whole pool system was scrapped.

unless you come up with the difference in travel costs for someone else to take your place. good luck on that one.

seriously though, 4 pools of four wouldn't make enough games unless you play everybody in your pool 3 or 4 times.

i would say 2 pools of 8 and lengthen the season so it starts at the same time as seabl. you play everybody in your pool twice (14 games) then everybody in the other pool once (8 games) for a total of 22 games with only one major road trip for the poor southerners.

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the only way gladdy would be anywhere other than in the northern pool is if there were 3 in each pool or the whole pool system was scrapped.

unless you come up with the difference in travel costs for someone else to take your place. good luck on that one.

seriously though, 4 pools of four wouldn't make enough games unless you play everybody in your pool 3 or 4 times.

i would say 2 pools of 8 and lengthen the season so it starts at the same time as seabl. you play everybody in your pool twice (14 games) then everybody in the other pool once (8 games) for a total of 22 games with only one major road trip for the poor southerners.

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I agree with the 4 pools of 4 teams that would make some competative pools. you could make alot better finals format with that.

I am hearing that next season australian imports will not be restricted players so your cashed up teams will have 2 imports and the rest Nbl players.

If there are 22 games there would be extra cost of playing the imports and paid players.

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I thought Runaway Bay were not in next year after all. But would be in 2010.

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Does anyone know the format for next year. was there a club meeting with qld bball as in previous years at end of season . The current format was set up by warren berginey for a 2 year period . this was done so that over a 2 year time frame everyone would get the same number of home and away games . Will the qabl go into the same format for another 2 years to get another full cycle . with runaway bay in the comp how does this affect the draw . Bundy will definitely be in next year as will coastal ( i believe jett has signed) and the power will be there . i cant see any teams leaving the league . this is the worst time of the year for everyone as the seasons end is still fresh but teams need to know what is going on .

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Any word on who is favourite for Coaching the Caps mens next season?

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Any word on who is favourite for Coaching the Caps mens next season?
warrick meehl

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I agree with the 4 pools of 4 teams that would make some competative pools. you could make alot better finals format with that.



^^hell no,north pool would be too intense to play teams 4 times.

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warrick meehl

Who has he coaches before? Never heard of him

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Waz Meehl to the Caps would certainly be an interesting move. He has proven he can coach, but the Caps would be a tough gig given the wide range of personalities and the heavy expectation to be successful.

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I thought Runaway Bay were not in next year after all. But would be in 2010.

Runaway Bay have to be kidding themselves. It would be a waste of sponcer dollars to come into qabl next year. They're girls are all u/18s so they've got state and possibly college for some to worry about, rather then loosing.

And their guys, they have 2/3 fringe aba players, the rest are d-league for a few seasons but they do have a great coach.

Romour the Darragh's, Tilby and a couple others are looking at signing for the Seahawks if they get a side? Confirm?

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Waz Meehl to the Caps would certainly be an interesting move. He has proven he can coach, but the Caps would be a tough gig given the wide range of personalities and the heavy expectation to be successful.
Sounds like just the sort of atmosphere to get waz interested.

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Runaway Bay have to be kidding themselves. It would be a waste of sponcer dollars to come into qabl next year. They're girls are all u/18s so they've got state and possibly college for some to worry about, rather then loosing.

And their guys, they have 2/3 fringe aba players, the rest are d-league for a few seasons but they do have a great coach.

Romour the Darragh's, Tilby and a couple others are looking at signing for the Seahawks if they get a side? Confirm?

There is PLENTY of talent withint he Gold Coast region to support a second state league entry.

Their is an embarrassment of riches to draw upon in the men's ranks. The Goannas have put a few boys offside, and there is no doubting a few would jump ship to join the many others who would line up to play for the Seahawks.

The women are another kettle of fish. Like other areas, there is plenty of talent, there just seems to be some difficulty in attracting women to play competitive basketball these days.

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There is PLENTY of talent withint he Gold Coast region to support a second state league entry.

Their is an embarrassment of riches to draw upon in the men's ranks. The Goannas have put a few boys offside, and there is no doubting a few would jump ship to join the many others who would line up to play for the Seahawks.

The women are another kettle of fish. Like other areas, there is plenty of talent, there just seems to be some difficulty in attracting women to play competitive basketball these days.

Load the girls up with some testosterone? That'll get 'em fighting harder on the court!

If Runaway Bay end up entering the team, spreading the 'talent' across two sides would only lower the standard for the coast. There is really, not 20-25 guys that can compete at the state level on the coast at the moment, unless a few blaze boys drop down. Which would be a good idea. Hell, Daniel Joyce could only improve in QABL, he needs all the game time he can get to improve and stop wasting the minutes his dad is giving him, but, that's another thread.

If an association is to enter into the comp, do they have to enter a male and female team? Or can they just enter a male?

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Waz Meehl to the Caps would certainly be an interesting move. He has proven he can coach, but the Caps would be a tough gig given the wide range of personalities and the heavy expectation to be successful.

yes warwick is a good coach but i think u will find dale ryan will more than likely be the new coach at the caps.

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Who has he coaches before? Never heard of him

Can I come join you under your rock, or is it reserved for you only?

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I agree, Dale Ryan should be selected as head coach. I think if Geoff were selected you may find some players leaving because they disagree with his coaching style.

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I agree, Dale Ryan should be selected as head coach. I think if Geoff were selected you may find some players leaving because they disagree with his coaching style.



I agree alot of players probably wont play under geoff because he is a passionate coach and treats gbl like its the nba dont really think thats a bad thing and may be what the caps need, but then a few players will come and play because he is coaching.

not sure who dale ryan is but it would be a tough job, with there talent and a better start to the season they should do just as good if not better in 2009.

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I agree, Dale Ryan should be selected as head coach. I think if Geoff were selected you may find some players leaving because they disagree with his coaching style.
Maybe so but then if Tarrant were appointed, it wouldnt be for his bed side manner, it would be to give BBI a winning program. Think you would find that to achieve that there could be a few players leaving anyway whether it was their choice or not in order to achieve that winning season. If they were a winning side they could afford to say who they will and wont play for but with all that been invested in them and their scant results its sort of getting down to tin tacks now, yeh? Would certainly open the way for some of the many players who have enjoyed success under Tarrant to step into the vacancies. Likewise if Warrick got the job some of the players might not like playing with Zane putting up 25-30 shots a game but if the results come theres not a lot the players can say. Ditto for Tarrant.

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Maybe so but then if Tarrant were appointed, it wouldnt be for his bed side manner, it would be to give BBI a winning program. Think you would find that to achieve that there could be a few players leaving anyway whether it was their choice or not in order to achieve that winning season. If they were a winning side they could afford to say who they will and wont play for but with all that been invested in them and their scant results its sort of getting down to tin tacks now, yeh? Would certainly open the way for some of the many players who have enjoyed success under Tarrant to step into the vacancies. Likewise if Warrick got the job some of the players might not like playing with Zane putting up 25-30 shots a game but if the results come theres not a lot the players can say. Ditto for Tarrant.

What has Tarrant won?? You think running second every year in a domestic competiton is a winning program?

I guess losing at the last hurdle is what you classify as winning?

Strange..it is late I suppose.

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What has Tarrant won?? You think running second every year in a domestic competiton is a winning program?

I guess losing at the last hurdle is what you classify as winning?

Strange..it is late I suppose.

Geoff has an outstanding program at north brisbane and has Developed alot of good players, most of the players in his team are as good as they are because of him and continues to be consistant every year. Yes that Grand final just keeps slipping away but that was 1 hell of a GF this year and took a miracle shot to beat them.

looking at a long term development and strong program for the caps geoff would be great. besides shiebs coaches dont seem to stick around.

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Geoff has an outstanding program at north brisbane and has Developed alot of good players, most of the players in his team are as good as they are because of him and continues to be consistant every year. Yes that Grand final just keeps slipping away but that was 1 hell of a GF this year and took a miracle shot to beat them.

looking at a long term development and strong program for the caps geoff would be great. besides shiebs coaches dont seem to stick around.

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First off let’s put it into context. IT'S GBL!! A local BBI competition, most quality player’s treat it has the good run that it presents and enjoy the relative high level of competition. Tarrant treats it like it is his messiah, the be all and end all to basketball in the universe!!

Geoff doesn't develop; he poaches other programs outstanding players, and then claims them. True development is done in the junior rep ranks, how many rep teams has Tarrent coached?

QABL is a whole different kettle of fish. you need skillful players to compete. Tarrant's advantage is not there in the state league, everyone takes it a lot more seriously than the GBL. A lot of these skillful players would not put up with Tarrent's in your face BS style that he uses. It might win you a runners-up trophy in the GBL, it aint going to cut it in the real world!!

Geoff should stick to chasing that elusive Utopia of a GBL championship!

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the reason basketball is in a decline can be seen by this above post the youngsters coming though need discipline and passion Geoff or Warwick would be good choices , some coaches just don't those qualities.

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To assume success at a GBL level would translate to success at an ABA level is a bit much, but that's not to say it wouldn't work. I think by and large, a coach is only going to be as successful as the talent at their disposal. In Geoff's case, having watched North Brissy from Scott Lloyd etc through to now, I think it can be safely said that he is adept at getting the most out of his players. Whether this would translate into a Brisbane program is another story, but I think Geoff first and foremost deserves some credit for his achievements.

Geoff's approach to basketball is thoughtful, he applies his resources to their best available use. He puts players, given a certain skill set (in dragons case they can shoot and from what I hear practice endlessly too shoot) the best possible position to maximise their talents. That's what basketball by and large needs to be - sticking to what your godo at and developing in the areas where you fall short. I think this aspect works well in GBL where realistically there are only 4 maybe 5 decent teams, but in ABA where there are multi-skilled players and a better degree of athleticism, I think success would a bit limited.

I don't think Geoff's basketball abilities are in question, I just wonder how his disciplinary style will mesh with Caps veterans. It can't be uncompromising, there needs to be some give and take on both sides but is this achieveable?? Maybe, but you risk losing players out of the association if it fails and am not sure that's a risk the BBI committee is willing to bear.

From a completely objective perspective, I think Geoff would do well given the opportunity. As always though, the inherent risks will determine the choice. After BBI have just earned some respect once again in the State comp, will they risk it continuing on Tarrant? Is schreibs really a better alternative??

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To assume success at a GBL level would translate to success at an ABA level is a bit much, but that's not to say it wouldn't work. I think by and large, a coach is only going to be as successful as the talent at their disposal. In Geoff's case, having watched North Brissy from Scott Lloyd etc through to now, I think it can be safely said that he is adept at getting the most out of his players. Whether this would translate into a Brisbane program is another story, but I think Geoff first and foremost deserves some credit for his achievements.

Geoff's approach to basketball is thoughtful, he applies his resources to their best available use. He puts players, given a certain skill set (in dragons case they can shoot and from what I hear practice endlessly too shoot) the best possible position to maximise their talents. That's what basketball by and large needs to be - sticking to what your godo at and developing in the areas where you fall short. I think this aspect works well in GBL where realistically there are only 4 maybe 5 decent teams, but in ABA where there are multi-skilled players and a better degree of athleticism, I think success would a bit limited.

I don't think Geoff's basketball abilities are in question, I just wonder how his disciplinary style will mesh with Caps veterans. It can't be uncompromising, there needs to be some give and take on both sides but is this achieveable?? Maybe, but you risk losing players out of the association if it fails and am not sure that's a risk the BBI committee is willing to bear.

From a completely objective perspective, I think Geoff would do well given the opportunity. As always though, the inherent risks will determine the choice. After BBI have just earned some respect once again in the State comp, will they risk it continuing on Tarrant? Is schreibs really a better alternative??

Schreibs has no interest in the job, where did it say he does? He is the only coach to ever win a title wth the men's side at BBI. He has nothing to prove, leave him out of the equation.

Interviews are on Monday, Warrick Meehl did not apply. There were 3 applicants for the men's positon, 2 for the women's.

IMO Dale Ryan should be the man who gets the job, thats a no brainer really. Tarrant is an interesting sidelight, novelty value at best. He is not a serious contender, coaching Dragons GBL, is all he has on his CV. Compare it to Ryan's, easy choice.

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Schreibs has no interest in the job, where did it say he does? He is the only coach to ever win a title wth the men's side at BBI. He has nothing to prove, leave him out of the equation.

Interviews are on Monday, Warrick Meehl did not apply. There were 3 applicants for the men's positon, 2 for the women's.

IMO Dale Ryan should be the man who gets the job, thats a no brainer really. Tarrant is an interesting sidelight, novelty value at best. He is not a serious contender, coaching Dragons GBL, is all he has on his CV. Compare it to Ryan's, easy choice.

So who is the third contender for the men's position?

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So who is the third contender for the men's position?

I sure one of the many guys posting on here that knows everything will be able to answer that one..

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The way the Blaze are going, Daisy might very well have a crack at an NBL head coaching role sooner rather than later .....

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some offseason news coming out of the happy rock....
rumor has it that nagas is leaving gladstone after 6yrs of service...
word is he has been transfered with his job to the sunshine coast a move that would make sense seeing his gf lives there!!!
now the question is which team will be interested in his services next season... maroochy or coastal??
a tough decision to be made there by both ball clubs and the nagas himself
if this is true is was great playing with you the last 2 seasons and look forward to a definate fight on court next yr followed by copious amts of alcohol drank after the game...

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some offseason news coming out of the happy rock....
rumor has it that nagas is leaving gladstone after 6yrs of service...
word is he has been transfered with his job to the sunshine coast a move that would make sense seeing his gf lives there!!!
now the question is which team will be interested in his services next season... maroochy or coastal??
a tough decision to be made there by both ball clubs and the nagas himself
if this is true is was great playing with you the last 2 seasons and look forward to a definate fight on court next yr followed by copious amts of alcohol drank after the game...


we will take him here at maroochydore! having him and Dante sykes in the back court will be great. I hear he has some great drinking games for road trips too.

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having him and Dante sykes in the back court will be great.

For turnovers?

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When did Dante agree to play for Mdore, thats what the post above says doesn't it, wow that will be interesting. Not sure how well Nagas got on with Coastal boys, i believe he has had some run ins with Ryan Parry and the McGlynn bro's (that would also be interesting if he went there).
Can someone let me know if Dante is going to Mdore.

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considering their tallest player last year was 6'2" it would not be the best decision the have made.

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Maroochy had afew over 6'2, hell I am 6'3 and when i reffed them there were afew taller then me... Duncan has to be bigger then that, some of the younger guys, and Frank Norton is definatley... they are young, just need abit of time...

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Bundy coaches unveil big plans, no bull about it (http://www.news-mail.com.au/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3787865)
October 15, 2008

With talk of American imports, marquee Australian players and bolstering their squads with QABL veterans the future is certainly looking bright for Bundaberg basketball.
The securing of major sponsorship money through Bundaberg Radiology has led to the club re-signing Bulls coach Michael Van Dongen and planning for its long-term future. 'It's been really good and I am really looking forward to being back,' Van Dongen said. A two-year contract with a third-year option will see Van Dongen coach the Bulls and oversee the junior training program at the club.
Comparing this long-term planning to the muddled beginning of the Bulls 2008 QABL campaign highlights a dramatic change for the club.
'This year I had three weeks to get a team to Bundy and to build them into a team,' Van Dongen said.
'Next year we will be better prepared, which will be a big help.
'I want to bring the younger kids through the development league, work with the local guys in the next few months and bring in quality players around them.'
Van Dongen said the club is still talking to QABL MVP Cam Tradgerh, is planning to recruit an American import and is negotiating with several QABL veterans including Frank Conias and the Taylor brothers.
He also confirmed it seemed unlikely last year's star import Jay Anderson would return due to a clash with his European season, but was hopeful emerging talent Luke Cann would be back.
Meanwhile Bears coach Andrew Bainbridge has unveiled the club is planning on signing a couple of key players, including an American centre, to bolster the ladies' squad.
'An extra scoring centre would make a big difference and we are still talking to an American who has played in the Western Australian league,' Bainbridge said.
He was excited about the future of the women's program.
'Next year we are planning on bringing the juniors along to the next stage,' he said.

http://media.apn.co.nz/regionals/ausnewsmail/pics/bas1310.jpg

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sign some of the roccos boys v-dogg......

you know you want to....

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sign some of the roccos boys v-dogg......

you know you want to....

they do have a history of winning and i would like to have any of those guys on my team

does anybody know who got the caps job yet

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When did Dante agree to play for Mdore, thats what the post above says doesn't it, wow that will be interesting. Not sure how well Nagas got on with Coastal boys, i believe he has had some run ins with Ryan Parry and the McGlynn bro's (that would also be interesting if he went there).
Can someone let me know if Dante is going to Mdore.

damn word travels fast not sure if i really have a choice of who i would play for, but its all good theres stil a chance Blair may agree to pay for my travel costs an i'll still be playing for my beloved Power...

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they do have a history of winning and i would like to have any of those guys on my team

does anybody know who got the caps job yet

I can guarntee one thing V Dogg: It wasn't you!

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Can anybody let me in on what John Fitzgerald is doing this upcoming ABA season ? Surely he is not content playing in the Slingers 'exhibition' season. Having played limited games with him and sharing a vehicle with him I am sure he wants in on the NBL. He has a winner's attitude and the Slingers don't even sit on a ladder. They're an 'Exhibition' team which Darren Ng rules. Someone must be keen on signing him up.

If this new rule regarding NBL players is true it does not make for very happy reading for teams that don't have alot of money. Rockhampton will go harder and higher you would suspect. Who can touch their money flow ? They may have six NBL / Imports on their roster

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Can anybody let me in on what John Fitzgerald is doing this upcoming ABA season ? Surely he is not content playing in the Slingers 'exhibition' season. Having played limited games with him and sharing a vehicle with him I am sure he wants in on the NBL. He has a winner's attitude and the Slingers don't even sit on a ladder. They're an 'Exhibition' team which Darren Ng rules. Someone must be keen on signing him up.

If this new rule regarding NBL players is true it does not make for very happy reading for teams that don't have alot of money. Rockhampton will go harder and higher you would suspect. Who can touch their money flow ? They may have six NBL / Imports on their roster
Fitzy got engaged a couple of weeks back and seems pretty cruisy doing what he's doing for the moment. Jill's womens soccer team in Mackay flew her back for their grand final and she loves the fishing in Mackay. John is treated like an adopted son after his Dad Bruce's time there many years ago so who knows which way the wind blows?

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I can guarntee one thing V Dogg: It wasn't you!

u dont say, i didnt want it anyway. im very happy where i am now.

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vdogg,

Are you looking for players for next season? I have played A grade, club basketball in bris for a while but I have never considered playing a higher level until now. I'm not sure if my game's up to scratch.

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vdogg,

Are you looking for players for next season? I have played A grade, club basketball in bris for a while but I have never considered playing a higher level until now. I'm not sure if my game's up to scratch.


If you tell him who you are I am sure that he will be able to let you know. Hopefully you play for a quality GBL team. That may sway him towards you.

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vdogg,

Are you looking for players for next season? I have played A grade, club basketball in bris for a while but I have never considered playing a higher level until now. I'm not sure if my game's up to scratch.

would be willing to have a look mate and see what we can do if you can email me a bit about urself like who u played for and what position u play or u can call me on 0431813179

vdogg6@hotmail.com

[crack]

I believe Dale ryan got the caps job, best of luck to him.

geoff tarrent still should have got the job but hey I am biased and dont even play there.

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Congratulations Dale Ryan.

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Ippy 09

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Ippy 09

I did see Lloyd leaving Lutwyche gym the other day.

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I did see Lloyd leaving Lutwyche gym the other day.

What, he quit..?? :)

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Ippy 09

Sid Mines only applicant for coach so I am told so I am guessing he will get it.

Maybe this year they will at least look fit and cohesive with less cancer on the floor and Sid barking on the side lines

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would be willing to have a look mate and see what we can do if you can email me a bit about urself like who u played for and what position u play or u can call me on 0431813179

vdogg6@hotmail.com

Jesus VDogg.....Do you know how to punctuate a sentence and spell the word you?

[BJ!]

Jesus VDogg.....Do you know how to punctuate a sentence and spell the word you?

Who cares? And don't take the lord's name in vain. Mike McDaniel will eat you for supper.

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Who cares? And don't take the lord's name in vain. Mike McDaniel will eat you for supper.


Hey were is Mekhi Phifer (Mighty Mike) these days?

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Have heard Darren Austin is coaching the Brisbane women next year, can anyone confirm?

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I did see Lloyd leaving Lutwyche gym the other day.

any idea if he is playing, and if so who for?

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Hey were is Mekhi Phifer (Mighty Mike) these days?

Heard he was playing for Warwick with Leon Perdue and Stollie in some backyard league..

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Heard he was playing for Warwick with Leon Perdue and Stollie in some backyard league..

Mike is more than playing in Warwick , he is Warwick BB. He was recently voted President of that Association. Hail the cheif..

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smells like Micheal wello and danny p are back on the message board

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I did see Lloyd leaving Lutwyche gym the other day.

in the mirror lloyd? they must have had a sausage sizzle on

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Dale Ryan has gotten the Caps

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Dale Ryan has gotten the Caps

Nice english, that news is so last week

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Whats the deal with everyone correcting peoples punctuation and spelling in posts. No one cares. It is a message board, not a formal essay...

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Whats the deal with everyone correcting peoples punctuation and spelling in posts. No one cares. It is a message board, not a formal essay...

you should use a question mark when asking a question!
maybe you should just relax and not worry about it!

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Just so everyone is aware the QABL has changed its name to the Queensland Basketball League.

There is no ABA anymore with teams now vying to compete in the Australian Club Championships replacing the old Australana Basketball League.

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There is no ABA anymore with teams now vying to compete in the Australian Club Championships replacing the old Australana Basketball League.

and with the seabl teams not contesting the acc it should make it easier for you to claim that you are in 'australias premier winter basketball league' instead of getting smashed by the queensland teams all the time.

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smells like Micheal wello and danny p are back on the message board

Why? don't really understand the connection

[2 cents]

and with the seabl teams not contesting the acc it should make it easier for you to claim that you are in 'australias premier winter basketball league' instead of getting smashed by the queensland teams all the time.

HAHA good call...

so which leagues contest the ACC.. an who's seabl champs goin to play after they win will they jus claim national champs like the baseball teams claims when they win their world series of the USA...

i miss the DP ramblings always a good read an at least gave ppl something to write about..

as for the bad grammar i guess the public school system jus isnt what it use to be

[Unregistered]

Why? don't really understand the connection

talk bout ipswich- who else could be bothered??????

[Unregistered]

for those of you interested spartans trials are on next sunday 9th nov 4 to 6 . at carina .
and next tue 11th from 6 till 8
BP is coaching so for those considering playing you will need to be down there for these 2 dates

cheers
keg

[Unregistered]

Who got wat coaching jobs this year anyone know?

[Unregistered]

Who got wat coaching jobs this year anyone know?

Am going from what I have heard and can remember.

Brisvegas - Dale Ryan
Bundy - VDogg
Gladdy - Blair
Ippi - Sid Mines
Woomba - I think the same dude as last year his name escapes me atm
Logan - ??
SWM - same as 08 and why would you change
Maroochy - not sure
Wiz - Paul Haly
Coastal - Shanon again I think
Goldy - have not heard

Don't know the north off the top of my head and if I am wrong on these from teh south so be it.

[Unregistered]

talk bout ipswich- who else could be bothered??????

Pretty sure Wello isn't bothered he ain't even playing last I heard or read about

[Unregistered]

Go to www.australianbasketball.edublogs.org

This is a fantastic new site that is up and running. I am going to add some Queensland ABA stuff soon

[crack]

The Yaralla Port City Power is excited to announce two of the biggest signings in the clubs history this week with the announcement of former WNBA and current WNBL star Jessica Bibby as player/coach for the Women’s Program in the 2009 season, along with fellow Canberra Capital and 2 time SEABL All Star Natalie Hurst at point guard.

Jessica is a former World Junior Championships silver medallist, WNBL Rookie of the year and has played in the WNBA for the New York Liberty. She is a 2 time SEABL ALL Star and former league MVP. She has won 3 WNBL Championships and with a WNBL high score of 47 points, is undoubtedly one of the most exciting players to watch in the WNBL. She was an assistant coach with the Launceston Tornadoes in the SEABL in 2008 and is looking forward to stepping into the role of head coach with the Power in 2009. She is currently starring for the Canberra Capitals in the WNBL.

Natalie is a World University Games Gold medallist and was a member of the 2001 Australian Gems squad. She is a back to back SEABL All Star player, 3 time 2008 SEABL Player of the week and was the 2008 SEABL second leading scorer. She has also been the 2005 Waratah (ABA) Defensive Player of the Year, 2002 and 2004 Waratah Conference All Star 5 member and the 2001 ABA National Women's Youth Player of the Year.

To be able to attract two girls of this calibre to Gladstone is a huge boost to the Yaralla Port City Power Program and an amazing opportunity for our local players. It’s not to often our Gladstone juniors would get to meet girls who have achieved and experienced what these girls have, let alone train with them and learn from them every day.

[Unregistered]

bibby is hot,

[Mr bEn]

The Yaralla Port City Power is excited to announce two of the biggest signings in the clubs history this week with the announcement of former WNBA and current WNBL star Jessica Bibby as player/coach for the Women’s Program in the 2009 season, along with fellow Canberra Capital and 2 time SEABL All Star Natalie Hurst at point guard.

A joke?

[Dusan Mandic]

Wello isn't coaching or playing, but how could that be? How will Ipswich Basketball survive? After Ippy threw Breen out with last night's trash so Wello could be the saviour and turn the program around, only to see the team go from a credible 7-11 record with absolutely no legitimate bigs to a 2-16 record with virtually the same guards plus Stolly and Lloyd, I don't understand why Wello isn't sticking around? Perhaps he can have better success with the other position he stole off Breen @ Ipswich Grammar.

[2 cents]

A joke?

no first legit news out of G'stone since 2005... interesting road trips ahead...

[vdogg]

no first legit news out of G'stone since 2005... interesting road trips ahead...

bad luck aaron they dont like boys mate

[Danny Breen]

Wello isn't coaching or playing, but how could that be? How will Ipswich Basketball survive? After Ippy threw Breen out with last night's trash so Wello could be the saviour and turn the program around, only to see the team go from a credible 7-11 record with absolutely no legitimate bigs to a 2-16 record with virtually the same guards plus Stolly and Lloyd, I don't understand why Wello isn't sticking around? Perhaps he can have better success with the other position he stole off Breen @ Ipswich Grammar.

I don't come on here very often (rarely actually) but I was told my name had been mentioned so I thought I would fly in and have a look.

So let's not let the facts get in the way of a good vendetta.

The Ippi thing is half right, I guess I was thrown out but that was not really Wello's doing more so Ippi basketball. Wello was asked to apply for the position as originally I was the only applicant and acording to the President of Ippi basketball he/they had doubt over my health - hence why they approached Wello. The facts are that.

As to whether they still wanted me around etc that is a whole other story. I beleive they did not but hey that is my opinon and I guess they have their reasons and I would not like to throw in rumours as this is not the place.......lol.

My only gripe was the BS that I was subjected to as I thought I deserved better. Interviews, chats etc while the decision to appoint Wello had already been made, I mean I had to even phone the president and ask what the go was. To be factual he did not answer the phone and it went to his message bank and from memory I think I said something like "so when are you going to tell me I do not have the job", this was some 24 hours after they had told me no decision had been made. I might add Wello had told me earlier that day that the job was his they just had to talk to me (that was only minutes after they had interviewed me, which was the night before I think)

The phone call I received back was along the lines of 'mate it was my decision alone and I am worried about your health'. Funny at no stage did anyone from Ippi basketball ask me about my health or how I thought I would go - but so be it. As I have stated my gripe was not with Wello but with how they (Ippi basketball) conducted the business of dealing with what I would like to think was a pretty good volunteer to the club.

As for the IGS thing of 'coaching' that is another story. I offered the position to Wello at the end of 2006. My reasons were based on the fact that I did not want to put undue pressure on my son who was also invovled in the firsts and in my opinion would be over the next two years, plain and simple.

Do I regret stepping down from that job, yes and the reasons for that is that I feel I have let down guys like Hodgson and Montford who came to IGS to be coached by me. While I have continued to work with them individually it is not the same as game/team coaching. I have spoken to them and their families about my decision and my regrets.

At the time I felt I was doing the right thing and leaving the program in both a good condition and in good hands.

So that is the full story from my point of view, what I have told I believe are the facts. Something I have never done before and would not have done in this type of forum if not for the fact that some ass-wipe has come on here and allowed the facts to be turned and twisted so that their dislike for someone can be viewed by all and sundry.

I might add regardless of what has happened it pains me to see the Ippi men fail like they did this year and only hope Sid can make it 'fine in 09'. (On that note I spoke to Sid about going for the job as not one person, I repeat not one person had applied for the coaching position - I would like to think that my chat helped convice him to apply)

One last thing I am enjoying retirement and actually being a Dad and siting on the sidelines watching my kids play club ball etc at BBI (weekends off are great too, well they were but Southern Cup has started).

Will I coach at any sort of level in the future, who knows? I guess if someone wants me to be involved and if I feel I can contribute to that program and if my my health is good anything is possible.

Cheers and all the best to the new league, clubs and teams in 2009.

[2 cents]

bad luck aaron they dont like boys mate

i think you missed my point Vdogg, thats exactly why they'll be interesting road trips...

[Unregistered]

Cheers Danny Many thanks for all you did for Zane as a youngster (had a good game for Azusa pacific today) and the advice and scouting reports you helped me with and the tough contests we enjoyed on the floor
Waz

[Unregistered]

Wello isn't coaching or playing, but how could that be? How will Ipswich Basketball survive? After Ippy threw Breen out with last night's trash so Wello could be the saviour and turn the program around, only to see the team go from a credible 7-11 record with absolutely no legitimate bigs to a 2-16 record with virtually the same guards plus Stolly and Lloyd, I don't understand why Wello isn't sticking around? Perhaps he can have better success with the other position he stole off Breen @ Ipswich Grammar.


I also rarely come on this site but am disgusted to read this, perhaps YOU nameless person should get your facts straight before you come on here and bag ME out.

The only reason I am not playing next year is to spend more time with my wife and concentrate on other things I enjoy doing like golf. I NEVER stole anything off anyone and I am the first to admit that the player/coach thing didn't work out, hence the reason I am stepping down from coaching and playing.

I love coaching the firsts at IGS, it is a passion of mine and as Danny said he stood down from that position in 2006 to give me a chance and I truly appreciate that.

Dusan Madiac or whatever you call yourself, you are the reason that these chat rooms are littered with BULLSHIT and you truly are a DISGRACE to the game of basketball in QLD.

Good luck to Sid as I love Ippy basketball and wish them all the luck in the world.

That is all I have to say - you want to say this things to me in person feel free to approach me but don't come on here and cut me down, that is not what this website is about.

Wello

[Unregistered]

The Yaralla Port City Power is excited to announce two of the biggest signings in the clubs history this week with the announcement of former WNBA and current WNBL star Jessica Bibby as player/coach for the Women’s Program in the 2009 season, along with fellow Canberra Capital and 2 time SEABL All Star Natalie Hurst at point guard.

Jessica is a former World Junior Championships silver medallist, WNBL Rookie of the year and has played in the WNBA for the New York Liberty. She is a 2 time SEABL ALL Star and former league MVP. She has won 3 WNBL Championships and with a WNBL high score of 47 points, is undoubtedly one of the most exciting players to watch in the WNBL. She was an assistant coach with the Launceston Tornadoes in the SEABL in 2008 and is looking forward to stepping into the role of head coach with the Power in 2009. She is currently starring for the Canberra Capitals in the WNBL.

Natalie is a World University Games Gold medallist and was a member of the 2001 Australian Gems squad. She is a back to back SEABL All Star player, 3 time 2008 SEABL Player of the week and was the 2008 SEABL second leading scorer. She has also been the 2005 Waratah (ABA) Defensive Player of the Year, 2002 and 2004 Waratah Conference All Star 5 member and the 2001 ABA National Women's Youth Player of the Year.

To be able to attract two girls of this calibre to Gladstone is a huge boost to the Yaralla Port City Power Program and an amazing opportunity for our local players. It’s not to often our Gladstone juniors would get to meet girls who have achieved and experienced what these girls have, let alone train with them and learn from them every day.

Wow, watched a bit of the Caps vs fire on the weekend and Hurst killed it. Should make for more of an interesting match up when Power vs Flames.

[Unregistered]

Wow, watched a bit of the Caps vs fire on the weekend and Hurst killed it. Should make for more of an interesting match up when Power vs Flames.

How can Gladstone afford this? Did the president win the lotto?

[Unregistered]

How can Gladstone afford this? Did the president win the lotto?


there is alot of money in that town, big industrie and big wages.


Go the G-spot

[BJ]

I am loving all this off-season chat, especialyl since the season proper is still a loooong way away.

1. Wello I hope you stick with hoops if only as a player. Coaching did not work, but it would be a shame not to have you in the league.

2. Gladstone's signings of Bibby and Hurst is HUGE. This is not only an enormous boost to an association whose women's team had traditionally stunk, but also to the whole league. I hate watching women's basketball, but I will pay to watch these two girls play. Also with these two on board, what is the chance of other girls travelling across to play with them. Will there be Rocky girls who'll make the effort to play for Gladdy? Are there any decent former players living in Gladdy who will not suit up?

3. I've heard Maroochy is making a run at getting Brad Williamson back in board in 2009. This would be huge for them. If he does indeed play, what are the chances that Frank Norto, Zane and Fitz (among others) would come back to play???

4. Is Runaway Bay playing in 2009? Nominations closed not too long ago (or are about to).

5. Heard Coastal were trying to get Hayden Allen, but probably won't as he'll be playing NZBL again.

[Unregistered]

2. Gladstone's signings of Bibby and Hurst is HUGE. This is not only an enormous boost to an association whose women's team had traditionally stunk, but also to the whole league. I hate watching women's basketball, but I will pay to watch these two girls play. Also with these two on board, what is the chance of other girls travelling across to play with them. Will there be Rocky girls who'll make the effort to play for Gladdy? Are there any decent former players living in Gladdy who will not suit up?



Agreed. Traditionally gladdy players have gone to rocky ie. Neves last season. I wonder what Gladstone have got in store for the mens team?

[Unregistered]

This must be big news!!! Check out wnba.com the gladdy (bibby) news had made it on to this site - under the around the web.

[Unregistered]

According to the NewsMail the Bundy Bulls have signed an American division one college player. Signed, sealed and delivered already. Seems V Dogg is happy about it too.

Last week the Bears announced a former WNBL player was signed on.

Seems the Bundy teams are making moves.

[Unregistered]

what is the latest developments with player movement etc.. for teams such as northside, gold coast & rocky?

[Unregistered]

rocky reappointed tweedy as coach. approached richo to become assistant. looking to resign rhys with benny, richo, and tc announcing their retirement. with new ruling allowing three imports will be looking to spend more money.

heard david gurny is going to gold coast.

[Mr bEn]

What does this 'three import' rule entail?

[Unregistered]

speaking to a couple of logan kids....logan out of qabl in 2009....tell me it ain't so

bEn: sounds like rubbish

[Unregistered]

Can someone post a name or paper article about the Bundy bulls and bears new signings i cant find it anywhere.

[Unregistered]

What does this 'three import' rule entail?

Probably referring to this story (http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2008/10/29/2404500.htm).

[Unregistered]

speaking to a couple of logan kids....logan out of qabl in 2009....tell me it ain't so

bEn: sounds like rubbish

Not sure if it is true but I heard rumours that Mark told Burnsy they were thinking of not playing next year. Could just be speculations.

[Unregistered]

[QUOTENot sure if it is true but I heard rumours that Mark told Burnsy they were thinking of not playing next year. Could just be speculations.[/QUOTE]

info straight from players...actually...tommy a to gold coast possibly..with some good stories to tell

[Mr bEn]

Probably referring to this story (http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2008/10/29/2404500.htm).

I'd say it would remain as a 'rumour'.

Can't see a three import rule being welcomed. Would potentially widen the gap between those that can afford to pay players, and those that can't.

[Unregistered]

I'd say it would remain as a 'rumour'.

Can't see a three import rule being welcomed. Would potentially widen the gap between those that can afford to pay players, and those that can't.

Another story (http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3788934) from Rocky claiming the decision was due last week.


Point guard Rhys Martin is at the top of Tweedy's shopping list while a new ruling, expected to be endorsed this week, will allow teams to have three restricted players next season.

[Unregistered]

[QUOTENot sure if it is true but I heard rumours that Mark told Burnsy they were thinking of not playing next year. Could just be speculations.

info straight from players...actually...tommy a to gold coast possibly..with some good stories to tell[/QUOTE]


are you talking tommy ammar?

he was at spartens try outs and killed it, But 90% sure he will be playing for Caps next season

[Unregistered]

Another story (http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3788934) from Rocky claiming the decision was due last week.

I think you will find BQ voted against the ruling. Makes sense with weak teams also having no cash. We want games not blow outs. With no more end of season interstate games maybe BQ may like to do some work on getting all teams up to scratch in both men and women. It would be interesting to see which QABL treams wanted restrictions increased and which voted against it. Also hearing Logan ae serious about not playing. Thye want costs reduced like they did when Waz was in charge. When is meeting of clubs this year when all this will be discussed? Must be soon so that we all find out who is in and who is out.

[2 cents]

i'm sure every club would want costs reduced, i doubt that Logan have the pulling power by themselves to make this happen tho have they spent too much on the WNBL program or something? if they do pull out makes the pool reshuffle interesting...

no suprise there that Rocky a team that would buy a team of 10 imports if they could is hoping for an increase, i cant see how BQ would let the ruling pass though with a few teams not being able to afford more than 1 import let alone 3 the gap between 1st an last would widen by another 20pts...

Trials for other clubs must be round the corner, when does the dreaded pre-season start?

[Mugsy]

2 Cents your off with the fairies - Rockhampton are dead against an increase to the number of restricted players participating in the competition and were quite adamant along with Cairns and Townsville, in stating how this would hurt our competition.

and

Logan WNBL are a completely different entity to Logan Basketball who operate the state league teams.

[Unregistered]

Also hearing Logan ae serious about not playing. Thye want costs reduced like they did when Waz was in charge.

is this the money the northern clubs used to give to some of the southern clubs so they could afford to stay in the super8 ?

I thought gladdy got some of this to keep them happy when they got put in the pod, and maybe bundy, but i didn't know logan got some too.

there should be a reduction in fees already next year as we wont be sending anybody to the nationals.

there are still a number of ways the current budget could be cut further but the reality is that the biggest cost for a club in a full state comp is still travel and accom costs.

[Unregistered]

[QUOTE
Logan WNBL are a completely different entity to Logan Basketball who operate the state league teams.[/QUOTE]

Same ........... different shovel actually.......but not playing QABL in 2009 could be more about hiding a mess left by some....

[Unregistered]

The NewsMail doesn't always post articles online for some reason.

But the American is a guy called Matt Hansen who played division one last season at Cal Poly Mustangs. The WNBL experienced player is called Kate Rose, played with Lauren Jackson at the Capitals for a few years.

[Unregistered]

Lloyd Lewis to Bundaberg. Again.

[Unregistered]

Heard Bundaberg were close to a deal with recently axed Adelaide import Mark Tyndale who loves to country and is determined to make it here. Also Bundaberg have spoken to and offered deals to last year's surprise packet Luke Cann and his mate, Josh Jenkins who played a few games with Mackay before returning to Victoria. If Bundy can get Tyndale, Cann, Jenkins and another two imports they are legit for play-off spots

[pip]

yeah that's a pretty big if.
tyndale is an import so its gonna be hard for
1. them to have enough $$$ for all these players
2. isnt there only a 2 import rule?? and
3. see mackay last season.... too many players... not enough balls!!!

[vdogg]

Heard Bundaberg were close to a deal with recently axed Adelaide import Mark Tyndale who loves to country and is determined to make it here. Also Bundaberg have spoken to and offered deals to last year's surprise packet Luke Cann and his mate, Josh Jenkins who played a few games with Mackay before returning to Victoria. If Bundy can get Tyndale, Cann, Jenkins and another two imports they are legit for play-off spots

this talk i hilarious hahahahahahaha, who are we the bank of queensland wahtare u talkin about we have already signed our two imports and one of the is not mark tyndale. w have spoken to luke that is true but luke hasnt made up his mind what he is doin next year, and who is josh jenkins

but thanks for the press love ll he talk about bundy however far fetched it is lol

[Unregistered]

in regards to lloyd lewis at bundy again...i have spoken to v dogg and asked to be apart of his team!! i have recently moved to hervey bay for full time work and to get ahead in regards to money for atleast a year!! i have asked that a contract be made and have already organised a meeting for early next week and have asked v dogg and the board to put in strict punishments so i am accountable! i want to be apart of a professional outfit which has been lackin the last two half seasons ive played!! which have both been after college seasons!! i lost my motivation for any of those seasons as teammates and friends know, but i am glad i coped some shit last season becuz i have never been more excited about an upcoming year.. i am playing for fun AND THATS IT!! and to be apart of a team and not only be able to help on the court but also with my experience and extensive knowledge.. v dogg is working hard to put together a team that will be competitive and i honestly feel great just for the fact i mentioned b4 about actually wanting to play ball again!!
another clause i am puttin in my contract to be apart of this team is that i am only allowed to play at the start of the year if i am 118kg or less!! that means 25 kilos less than last year and another 15 to go!! as i realize im more of a hinder than help otherwise..im not blind
motivation in basketball is the key and although last year turned out to be a horror year for more than one person and more than one reason, i wish everyone the best in the spirit of competition.. ive lost some ppl i use to call friends but look forward to making new ones..
i just want to play ball like i was 2 n a half yrs ago! on n off the court... good luck!!

[b j p]

Congrats on the goals mate and good luck.

[Unregistered]

wow lloyd that sounds really great, but it sounds kinda familiar. oh thats because you said all that last year!

lloyd talks a good game, dont get suckered in

[Spartans]

This is for information only so people understand what is happening in our sport. It is a cut and paste from a news release.

It was all good news for the Lady Spartans and Spartans SEABL programs last Saturday when the 2009 format, future direction and rule changes were provided to the member clubs.

SDBAL as part of SEABL will receive support from channel 9 for recruitment of juniors and promotion of the game.

2009 sees the end of Australian Club Championship which means that each Conference is now allowed to establish their own player standards. NBL and WNBL players who do not average greater then 50% of game time in teams are now able to play as unrestricted players. in SEABL

The Big V Conference and SEABL also basically agreed to amalgamate in 2010 which mean that there would only be 3 Conferences eligible to compete in 2010, given that Central have now advised they no longer want to play in the ACC structure.

SEABL referees also received a pay rise of $20 per game in both men and women.

Finals (televised is the plan) for the SEABL will now be played on the week-end 29th August with a sponsors dinner on the Friday night.

Mens competition starts March 13th with women starting 27th March.

Things are looking great for 2009 and people wanting to be placed on our Spartans email newsletter need simply email to sdbal@bigpond.net.au

[2 cents]

interesting when do they make the decision re: restricted players for QABL??

is logan really out surely not?

heard a rumour that Zane an Brad Williamson will both be playing for Clippers next year not sure how true it is tho n thought Tville mite have 1st dibs on Brad...

[Unregistered]

[QUOTE=2 cents;11721]interesting when do they make the decision re: restricted players for QABL??

is logan really out surely not?

Please explain????

[Unregistered]

..... when the 2009 format, future direction and rule changes were provided to the member clubs.

good to see some leagues actually doing something in the offseason.

what the hell is bq doing? haven't heard a word since the end of the season. to think the clubs are paying for a full time staffer for the entire 12 months it wouldn't be too much to ask to at least update the website.

it makes it very hard to promote the league to supporters and sponsors when there is nothing coming out of head office.

where is the news release about the name change from qabl to qbl?

where is the news release about the acc/aba?

what about the new rule changes? 3 import rule? changes to to nbl eligibility?

maybe if the qabl programs weren't paying for someone at bq to run juniors/masters/etc then maybe logan could afford to stay in the top division.

[Boss Playa]

It's official - Logan didn't nominate. Who has an answer for this one? Jumping to SEABL?

[Unregistered]

It's official - Logan didn't nominate. Who has an answer for this one? Jumping to SEABL?
Would have to think so.

[Unregistered]

Jumping to SEABL?

Surely they can't cry poor to BQ then go join SEABL. That just wouldn't be right... hahahaha (sounds familiar..)

Besides, there is already a Thunder playing in SEABL (NW Tasmania Thunder). They would have to change their name....

Good luck to them whatever they end up doing....

[Unregistered]

I hope the rumours are wrong about Logan and QABL.

[Unregistered]

wasn't thalo a 2 year deal, what happens to the logan young guns . a case of 1 step forward 1step back.

[Unregistered]

Logan are not going to SEABL. They are making sure they are here for a long time. A just decision by smart and caring management. Mark Dalton and his management team know what they can and can not afford. They now see that to play full State is an expense they do not need. Time for an alternate south based competition that is run at no profit for membership of BQ that already pay a lot of money to be part of. I would not be surprised if Logan and Districts and others looked at setting up a new competition to cater for the need of the new young guns. With QABL now simply a State League time for us all to think about what we are paying and what for. The north need to do something that does not send the south broke. We need new leadership at BQ and we need it now. Districts if you read the news release on their website are even going to receive support through advertisements on channel 9. What do we get for our money. BQ are even getting rid of Bruce Palmer so our future development is loooking very sick with the likes of Burning our Riches in charge. hahahahah

[pip]

so if this is the case and allowed to happen by BQ who in my opinion are just sitting on their hands and watching the world go by allowing the sth teams to leave or pull the pin then you have come full circle to where we were 5 yrs ago the super 6 or 8 and the southern cross league. and they were 2 disasterous leagues where eevery team in the north seemed to play each other 5 times in the season. not sure abt the sth cross L but it sucked to play in.

and correct me if im wrong when you say a new league for the young guns. isnt there already at "D League" in place for these so called young guns to come up.

with the ABA no longer a nation wide comp shouldnt the cost of registration be lower as clubs dont have to pay additional $$$ to allow BQ to send teams to the national tourny every yr. this should leave extra money for clubs in their budgets for the likes of travel and accom which i agree is the primary concern of not just sth teams but EVERY team in the L. now granted it wouldnt be enough to fund the whole season but it would be a help especially to the more cash strapped teams. of which i cant fathom how logan could be one of them.

if they are pulling the pin its a damn shame as it now opens the door for more teams such as post sthn cross teams to cry poor and as old mate eluded to in his previous post set up a new league. which as you will see once again will do one of 2 things. there will be an aba north and and aba sth L. or we'll go back to some watered down form a joint aba and cross L and then the 2 play each other in the finals format and lets face it we all know how thats turned out in the past. ABA alot to sthn cross a little in the final.

i play for a previous sth cross team in gladdy and i for one really dont want to see the league go down the shitter and splinter off into seperate L's. i like a full state competition because basketball aside it's the enjoyment of a weekend away with your mates on roadtrips and the friendships and rivalries that are formed both on and off the court and the intangibles like these examples that are going to suffer as a result of no forward planning or foresight.
it really is time for BQ to step up to the plate and do something abt the situation before it takes them another 5yrs to

[Unregistered]

Logan are not going to SEABL. They are making sure they are here for a long time. A just decision by smart and caring management. Mark Dalton and his management team know what they can and can not afford. They now see that to play full State is an expense they do not need. Time for an alternate south based competition that is run at no profit for membership of BQ that already pay a lot of money to be part of. I would not be surprised if Logan and Districts and others looked at setting up a new competition to cater for the need of the new young guns. With QABL now simply a State League time for us all to think about what we are paying and what for. The north need to do something that does not send the south broke. We need new leadership at BQ and we need it now. Districts if you read the news release on their website are even going to receive support through advertisements on channel 9. What do we get for our money. BQ are even getting rid of Bruce Palmer so our future development is loooking very sick with the likes of Burning our Riches in charge. hahahahah

and smells! BQ format has been good. Have to ask how much SD are spending on SEABLand why complaining. Logan obviously have not the money they thought they were going to have from WNBL sponsors. Would not say it is smart and caring. more like oops bugger.

[Spartans]

Districts are fine so please do not suggest that we are complaining. We have great sponsors and more to come.

It is no secret we have wanted a new league in south for a long time that runs along same lines as State League just a step lower. This would allow developing Associations to play and start preparation for the future while allowing Associations that fall on bad times to step back and regroup. It also will allow teh likes of BBI and Districts to set up second teams playing in a tougher competition. Keep watering down the competition as we have done in Queenslnad and all we need do is play a huge GBL in the south to satisfy all the better players while reducing costs. You all need, just like BQ, to have a plan. BQ have basically said it will not happen under they're banner so I guess it is up to you if you want to change that.

We need a State wide competition but given there are no National Championship maybe time to say only one restricted player per team to ensure development across the whole league. Split Townsville up and make room for the future. Call it Burdekin or just split the clubs in Townsville and Thiringowa or something else. Cairns already proved 2 teams can exist. Split in 2 and start up a Tablelands team or maybe just maybe work with neighbouring Associations to develope a long term strategy. It does not have to be about take over all the time. We need to start developing competitions within the north which will equalise the affects having an NBL team in your town.

Change rules for sports development. Allow small country centres such as Gladstone and Bundy to have 2 imports. Do rule on past performance and size not on making sure your Association can win.

To PIP you forget that Cross teams actually won QABL. Time to have a second team out of Townsville. Southernn Cross was a great competition and the structure should have been kept for the long haul rather then the D League which is about what????? Please do not tell me development.

Districts are in SEABL to stay and it costs just a small amount to be in due to the sponsors etc. By the way the sponsors are about due to the fact that we play interstate. The SEABL is BA second tier NBL and we will stay part of that allowing our players to develop and grow. If we can get to the Grand final we will be televised. Please do not tell me that will not attract more sponsors so the snowball grows.

Now over to all the people who will just start bagging these thoughts because it came from us. Time to start working towards the long term future just as the SEABL and Big V are doing. The best play against the best while the rest play as they prepare fro the future.

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"The SEABL is BA second tier NBL."

What does that make QABL then? I'd say it's probably not so much your ideas that draw so much criticism but rather the way you present them. You pretty much tell everybody how it should be without even attempting to take into account the needs of ALL involved or leaving things open for discussion or compromise. Basically it's "we are the only smart association and what we say should be accepted as gospel. Oh and we are better and the competition we play in is better too. And did I mention that we have heaps of money and you don't because you are so stupid and we are smart? O'Doyle RULEZ!!!". Most australians call people with that sort of attitude "wankers".

[pip]

to spartans i know a cross team won the ABA i just dont class sth districts as a "legit" sth cross team the yr you won it. thats just my opinion and possibly the opinion of a lot a lot of other users on here and throughout the basketball community. and no disrespect to the other cross teams in the L that yr but you guys were the dominant force in the cross while other teams had a lot less talent playing against you week in and week out.
and you talk about you have a great sponsorship base then my question to you is why when you had the chance to play in the ABA instead of the cross did you choose to play in the Cross if this sponsorship base was so great. you said yourself sponsors help you pay a limited amount to be in SEABL because you have such a great sponsorship base. and granted you probably have had more come on board since you joined SEABL but can you honestly say for the years you have been out of CBA/QABL/whatever that you would not have had the financial backing to be able to survive. i dont think you could tell me or anyone that a club with such a big basketball base therefore marketability in brisbane that you woulnt have been able to raise enough money to survive in the League.

i cant agree that the SEABL is the 2nd tier comp only to NBL in AUS. especially given that the QABL has won both mens and womens national titles in the past 2 seasons. now granted that we dont play the calibre of teams in the QABL that are in the SEABL every wk. but there are some pretty damn good sides in the QABL with big time players i.e cairns, tville, rocky, gold coast and some young and up and coming sides like sth west. and if these teams were in the SEABL then i would assume they would do more than hold their own. if you want to add women then townsville would be a cut above any team in any L in AUS. as for NBL players/development players well we have 3-4 nbl teams in the state and we seem to be able to have the ability to keep our nbl talent playing in the QABL or the old one!!

I do agree you that the system in QLD needs and overhaul both with the state wide comp and a D league. i never said the D league was a development L.. i dont even believe that L is for development. its a sunny coast thru gold coast competition pretty much with a central and north L... and i have seen those L's and the sth is by far the best run league. i am not too familiar with the D league so i cant really pass comment i'll leave that for the young bucks to play with.

As far as the over all ABA in qld some ideas are valid and i know you talk abt possibly splitting teams in one region that are stacked which lets face it is pretty much townsville and cairns. and the Sth see travel./accom as propaply the most significant cost associated with aba. then by splitting 2 into 4 then doesnt it increase cost further. i mean i know well your club in particulary want a all sth league. where all associations have a team in and then you'd prob have 8-12 teams i nthe south alone. well look at your geography down there... its 3hr trip to bundy or so from anywhere in brissy. you can get there and back in a day. well lets think abt the north and splitting townsville and cairns. min 4 trips to cairns on a home and away basis. townsville to cairns 4hrs. mackay to cairns 8+hrs. rocky/gladdy to cairns 13+ hrs. this could get rather expensive for the northern conference also. im a north guy but im trying to be logical and put the cost factor into perspective. what happened to the old aba where BQ used to subsidise or have discounts on travel for both north and south teams. surely they could come to the party and help with some of this to lessen the burden on more cash strapped clubs.

see im not trying to lay blame or negate your extremely adequate and valid points mate. but if we as a state basketball association are to move forward and encompass a full state league and a subsequent 2nd tier "D League or junior aba" then something must be done as as more time passes then more teams are going to pull out of defect to SEABL if they have the $$$ and then it may end up like super league/nrl back in the late 90's with 2 factions of basketball in qld.

[Mr bEn]

THUNDER OUT OF QABL – FOCUS ON THE FUTURE

Logan Basketball Inc. has decided to withdraw from the 2009 QABL State Championships to focus attention on local development programs.

As part of a year long review of all programs, the clubs priority will shift to QABL Development League, BQJBC and domestic fixtures across all ages, including Thunderball (4 – 11 years) and Thunder League (8 – 11 years) in particular, and an expansion into a new stadium at Browns Plains in early 2010.

Logan General Manager Mark Dalton said the change is needed. “We need to refocus on our local club programs. We have not seen enough benefits to the club from our involvement in State League. We cannot continue to justify the investment to our members.”

Development, including training and education programs, and continuing the successful “Funtime Free Clinics” for 4 – 11 year olds, which has operated since October 2004, is also high on the agenda.

The club is preparing for the completion of the $17M Metro Park Sports Centre at Browns Plains, due in July 2009. The Thunder WNBL team, (which is managed by Logan Basketball Inc.) and offices will operate from Metro Park from August 2009. “There is a lot of work that will need to go into Browns Plains in the middle of next year (2009), and we need to be ready for that to happen”. Dalton said.

The Thunder BQJBC, Development League Programs and local fixtures will remain at Insports, Cornubia Park with junior development and participation programs for 4 – 11 year olds commencing out of Metro Park from February 2010.

[Spartans]

to spartans i know a cross team won the ABA i just dont class sth districts as a "legit" sth cross team the yr you won it. thats just my opinion and possibly the opinion of a lot a lot of other users on here and throughout the basketball community. and no disrespect to the other cross teams in the L that yr but you guys were the dominant force in the cross while other teams had a lot less talent playing against you week in and week out.[SIZE="4T

Time was the enemy of the Cross. I still believe it had and has a place. Logan I believe need it know. We should all look at what is best.


and you talk about you have a great sponsorship base then my question to you is why when you had the chance to play in the ABA instead of the cross did you choose to play in the Cross if this sponsorship base was so great.

We were in trouble but had a hard look at how we went about things and changed our ways. This was not luck that we found sponsors etc. Big Joe and others did a lot of work in the off season to make it all possible.


you said yourself sponsors help you pay a limited amount to be in SEABL because you have such a great sponsorship base. and granted you probably have had more come on board since you joined SEABL but can you honestly say for the years you have been out of CBA/QABL/whatever that you would not have had the financial backing to be able to survive. i dont think you could tell me or anyone that a club with such a big basketball base therefore marketability in brisbane that you woulnt have been able to raise enough money to survive in the League.

Remember we also tried to go WNBL (failed) and had a massive debt that we needed to pay off. We also were split into 2 by BQ. We recovered through a lot of hard work.


i cant agree that the SEABL is the 2nd tier comp only to NBL in AUS. especially given that the QABL has won both mens and womens national titles in the past 2 seasons. now granted that we dont play the calibre of teams in the QABL that are in the SEABL every wk. but there are some pretty damn good sides in the QABL with big time players i.e cairns, tville, rocky, gold coast and some young and up and coming sides like sth west. and if these teams were in the SEABL then i would assume they would do more than hold their own. if you want to add women then townsville would be a cut above any team in any L in AUS. as for NBL players/development players well we have 3-4 nbl teams in the state and we seem to be able to have the ability to keep our nbl talent playing in the QABL or the old one!!

I am not arguing with what you are saying but the powers that be have ruled that SEABL is supposedly the best as a structure and that is due to it having teams in many States. I am sure I have seen a document that BQ will also have seen where it is clearly stated that there will be a support program for the future NBL competition. That second tier competition can not be based in one State and must have standard week in week out. Please do not take the wrong way. Remember I am the messenger. It is not about a team and we know that teams in Queensland are strong but they now will only play in Queensland. The powers removed the ABA and in turn the ACC is now gone. Please do not shoot the messenger.


I do agree you that the system in QLD needs and overhaul both with the state wide comp and a D league. i never said the D league was a development L.. i dont even believe that L is for development. its a sunny coast thru gold coast competition pretty much with a central and north L... and i have seen those L's and the sth is by far the best run league. i am not too familiar with the D league so i cant really pass comment i'll leave that for the young bucks to play with.

It really has no real long term benefit that I see coming out of it. I have seen the A grade in Townsville. It is where so many great players have learnt better skills. Why re-invent the wheel that that has served the north for so long. Your domestic competitions are great as once were the southern comps were such as GBL etc. Times have changed I do not know where the answer is. I do know that D League is not considered that well in the south.



As far as the over all ABA in qld some ideas are valid and i know you talk abt possibly splitting teams in one region that are stacked which lets face it is pretty much townsville and cairns. and the Sth see travel./accom as propaply the most significant cost associated with aba. then by splitting 2 into 4 then doesnt it increase cost further. i mean i know well your club in particulary want a all sth league. where all associations have a team in and then you'd prob have 8-12 teams i nthe south alone. well look at your geography down there... its 3hr trip to bundy or so from anywhere in brissy. you can get there and back in a day. well lets think abt the north and splitting townsville and cairns. min 4 trips to cairns on a home and away basis. townsville to cairns 4hrs. mackay to cairns 8+hrs. rocky/gladdy to cairns 13+ hrs. this could get rather expensive for the northern conference also. im a north guy but im trying to be logical and put the cost factor into perspective. what happened to the old aba where BQ used to subsidise or have discounts on travel for both north and south teams. surely they could come to the party and help with some of this to lessen the burden on more cash strapped clubs.

Again no argument it just needs for some positive people to come together and talk. Not be told. Districts offered last year to put a team into QABL and again this year have made an approach to BQ concerning such a move. Given there are no National finals there is no reason why they should not be able to enter a team but were not offered a position. Maybe things will change in near future but I will not hold my breath.


see im not trying to lay blame or negate your extremely adequate and valid points mate. but if we as a state basketball association are to move forward and encompass a full state league and a subsequent 2nd tier "D League or junior aba" then something must be done as as more time passes then more teams are going to pull out of defect to SEABL if they have the $$$ and then it may end up like super league/nrl back in the late 90's with 2 factions of basketball in qld.

This is the issue that must be addressed. I do not know the answer but I am willing to sit down and try to talk through issues for the sake of basketball. I am afraid though that this will not happen as to many people just can not let the past go. There will be more SEABL teams in Queensland. That is a given no mater how much we swim as a sport against the tide.

My suggestions are that in the south Brisbane and Districts come together as say Brisbane Spartans and Cairns, Townsville, Rocky from the north move to SEABL. That makes 2 road trips for southern teams. It also allows distance to be removed as an issue with Mackay furtherest north and Gold Coast most southern. The new State League then could have teams from Gladstone, Bundy, North Coast, Toowoomba, Ipswich, North Brisbane, South Brisbane, Logan and Gold Coast. This of course will require certain Associations to work together. Good luck getting this up and running but it could well be what saves our sport at the elite level for many years to come.

Guys I am not trying to be negative just trying to get some thought that matters on the table. Those who want to bag me like the previous post need to grow some balls and use own name. Don’t like what I say that is fine but at least show some courage or offer up alternate options that could be looked at. I never ever said I was right, I did however have the courage to do what I thought was right.

Long post my apologies.

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may be with no national competition they should remove imports from the league and look at having some queensland tallent in their place.

i see many pros and cons in the state league format but i think going back into a north and south league is not the answer i feel that state wide is the best possible answer what is really needed is for bq to get some sponsorship for the league to take some of the pressure off of the clubs and for some of these clubs in the south ( i am in the south region) to get off of their a**e and get some backers you go to ipswich, toowoomba,bundaburg,gladstone (and i have heard carins and townsville fall in to this group) have a bucketload of signage and sponsorship at their games.

may it just takes a bit from the players to not just train play and do bugger all else but help with securing some sponsorship for their club. may using the person paid at bq to start to bulid up a league portfolio to assist the clubs as most have only got volunteers who work and dont have time to set up such things..

[Unregistered]

Hi V dog- just wanted to let you know 2 of your under14 national side 5years ago play there first college basketball in the states over the next week- Clint plays tomorrow morning for St Marys live on ESPN at 1pm- then friday week Chris plays in the Maui invitation for Chaminade uni against you got it!!!!!!!!!!! North Carolina. Think he may remember that game. Also live on ESPN.

[vdogg]

Hi V dog- just wanted to let you know 2 of your under14 national side 5years ago play there first college basketball in the states over the next week- Clint plays tomorrow morning for St Marys live on ESPN at 1pm- then friday week Chris plays in the Maui invitation for Chaminade uni against you got it!!!!!!!!!!! North Carolina. Think he may remember that game. Also live on ESPN.
yeh thanks for the heads up i talk to both those guys on facebook regularly and i knew they were playin soon, makes me feel kinda good that i had a hand in those guys development and wish them both all the best

[Unregistered]

i think what laddy was referring to when he said the north teams should split into more teams wasn't that they needed to split the talent, or increase the roadtrips for the south teams, but by increasing the number of teams in the north it would encourage a north and south conference type of league where the southern teams wouldn't have to travel north at all.

the problem with that type of league now is that the northern teams would play the same team every second week.

it is a real shame to see teams starting to drop out of the qabl because of $$$. from what i hear logan isn't the only one with budget problems. we may see others drop off before the start of the season yet.

i hate to say it but maybe laddy is right. could it be time for the bigger clubs to join seabl and leave the rest to setup a more financially stable state league with limited travel costs.

it seems the northern clubs are already spending 4 times the budget of the southern clubs (mostly travel costs) so if they joined seabl it would leave the southern clubs to set up a more localised league. this could also include some mexican teams. why let a line on a map stop inclusions.

it would also give the smaller clubs something else to aim for as they grow. and something for the better players to aim for as well.

it is time to stop thinking about us and them. it is no longer seabl vs qld. seabl has got teams from other states who don't see it as a defection when they joined. It would be nice to see 2 teams from qld playing off for the seabl title some day.

[Spartans]

NBL at the top. I do not expect 4 teams to remain from 2010 and we know that one has to be in Brisbane so my guess is Townsville will be the other. I know some say we should keep the four but costs and talent tell me that it will not happen. Happy to be wrong.


SEABL (Named changed to reflect all States) with Cairns , Townsville, Rocky and one Southern team. (Maybe called Brisbane Spartans).


Northern State League Coference (not youth league but make sure through rules that youth is targeted) Mulgrave Coast, Cairns, Thuringowah, South Townsville, Mackay, Rocky. Gladstone and Cap Coast and/or Burdekin.
Southern State League Bundy, North Coast, Northside, North Brisbane (BBI), South Brisbane (SDBAL), SWM, LOgan, Runnaway Bay, Gold Coast, Ipswich, Toowoomba. I would hope we get a team from Hervey Bay region as well.
That makes 8 teams in north and 12 teams in south. Restricted to one import per team or 2 Australians restricted players per team.

Costs for State League team should be about $10,000 per season with team each pool straight through to semi finals. 2nd and third do a cross over game agaiunst other division. $200,000 would cover teh following costs.

Staff operational $45,000 + $10,000 for operational needs
Office admin $15,000 Computer, phones etc plus other material needed
Annual meeting $25,000 An annual confer to talk about "what if" a must
Finals $70,000 Worst case scenario
Promotion $10,000 Probably not enough
Excess $25,000 to be used for improvement of Leagues


Semi finals at venue of top in team in south and north. Cost covered for 12 players/coaching staff through $10,000 entrance fee.

Grand final start in north (top team) and rotate north, south depending on year. Common sense says though that if we had 2 southern teams in grand final that it must rotate to the southern stadium of highest finishing team.

In all finals series teams must hand over half gate (set rate per person attending) to governing body to be equalised and shared over all teams at seasons end. This worked for VFL in formative years and will work here. Sure it may be a small amount that each gets back but at least it is something.

This gives our State a perfect chance to develop more players at a cheaper rate with the better players progressing to &&&&&& (currently called SEABL) in the area they live with the four teams feeding into our NBL teams. Not rocket science and probably needs some tweaking but at least a true pathway for our members within Queensland.

[Unregistered]

can someone tell me what happens to the season program at logan, i guess the women are ok with wnbl, but i feel the men have been totally shafted, they were becoming a good team just missing out on the finals.
Do any of the men have plans with other teams yet. Very interested to know, there is a lot of talent in that team, where will it go???

[Unregistered]

i can see some merit in what you are proposing except the $$$ would have to change dramatically.

teams are currently paying a lot less than $10k for a full state aba.

i can't see why we would need a full time staffer when the season only runs for 5 months. i also question why it would take 40 hours a week to enter the results and update the website during the season.

i think the old southern cross had the right idea. $2k to enter which went towards a part time staffer during the season.

i also can't see why the finals series should cost $70k with half the door going to bq.

and what is with this "what if" fund. for years we have been paying for a "worst case" scenario and the money have gone into this "what if" fund which i hear is bloody huge at the moment. why is the aba teams paying for bq to collect interest on our growing "savings".

$10k for operational needs plus $15k for materials?

it seems to me the smartest thing we can do is take this new league out of the control of bq and run it between the clubs. look at what it did for the old cross before bq took it over.

[Spartans]

i can see some merit in what you are proposing except the $$$ would have to change dramatically.

teams are currently paying a lot less than $10k for a full state aba.
Remember that we would not have travel costs which you all pay now. Remember we are talking men and women.

i can't see why we would need a full time staffer when the season only runs for 5 months. i also question why it would take 40 hours a week to enter the results and update the website during the season.
This administrator would also be part of " lets get everyone more professional" doing a standard sponsorship proposal and making sure clubs are doing the little thigs. Writing up policy and proceedures does take time. Media releases for all clubs at least every two weeks.

i think the old southern cross had the right idea. $2k to enter which went towards a part time staffer during the season. If we are going to do this lets do it right. Maybe salary is high but we want someone that willc are about it and can also liaise with other Associations and groups to make sure we are all moving in same direction.

i also can't see why the finals series should cost $70k with half the door going to bq. That was a figure based on everyone flying some where. When it gets serious this would change I am sure. Lets see what happens first. Money from gate is clubs not BQ. It is split in equal parts to assist all clubs in the competition.

and what is with this "what if" fund. for years we have been paying for a "worst case" scenario and the money have gone into this "what if" fund which i hear is bloody huge at the moment. why is the aba teams paying for bq to collect interest on our growing "savings".
What if is aboiut what the clubs want to do with teh money. Maybe start sending an Allstar to USA or start up a junior section as well. This is clubs money do be pisehed to whatever the clubs want just as SEABL does every year. profits usually go towards next years admin costs to reduce fees.

$10k for operational needs plus $15k for materials? This is not far off the mark.

it seems to me the smartest thing we can do is take this new league out of the control of bq and run it between the clubs. look at what it did for the old cross before bq took it over. This needs dicussion and thought. A lot of popeple smarter them me need to sit in a room and put the nuts and bolts on teh table and see what we can afford to do. They also need to think about what will happen long term. Please no knee jerk reactions lets plan this if it is to happen. 2010 would be a great time to move to a new era of working together.

[Unregistered]

With Logan out the question comes back to how we are now going to rejig the draw.

Two pools of 7, or four pools of 4. Or is it time for something totally different like the US college system ??

No matter how we do it someone will probably have to pay more for extra travel. Who do we lump with the northern teams. Bundy,Maroochy...? Not exactly the riches clubs...

[pip]

all future discussion aside as what we've been discussing the past few days its probably not going to happen this upcoming season.
if you were logical then there should be possibly 3 pools and Nth, Central/Wide bay & Sth conferences. the north is obviously the big 4, central/wide bay would be reworked to have gladstone, bundy, maroochy, coastal, and northside or bbi. then in the sth you would have sth west, GC, toowoomba, ippy, bbi or northside. but this could be up for further discussion at upcoming meetings as to the makeup of the central/sth conferences so that parody can be established in these conferences.
my reasoning behind gladdy going to the sth is not because i am from there. if we talk abt economics it's a lot more cost effective to take 2-3 trips to bundy/sunny coast/brissy a season then to take 1 trip on a tville/cairns double header where its a 3 days trip encompassing fuel, accom, and incidentals.
rocky would be kept in the nth because they have always been there and they can afford it even tho there is only 100k's in distance between the 2 clubs.
for the sth clubs in the central/wide bay conference can limit road trips to 1-2 north per season by having a double header to gladdy/bundy instead of rocky/gladdy cuting possible time and expense a little. and all other trips except townsville/cairns which is always the big "coster" which on current scheduling is once every 2 seasons can be done in day trips involving little accom expense.
just a thought on a possible solution to the conferences. it may not be the best solution but its an option

[Unregistered]

Yep, be interesting to see where the logan boys go now....when u look at it, alot of talent to be reassigned - thalo, todd, gureckis, seb, tommy, bj, bones...etc

be interesting to see where these guys end up....

would thalo go back to the coast or even runaway bay? same with todd as he lives coastal as well

[Unregistered]

can someone tell me what happens to the season program at logan, i guess the women are ok with wnbl, but i feel the men have been totally shafted

from the most progressive,happening program...to...well..maybe the most backward....pouring money into a pro/semi pro program..and cutting the grass roots and pathway for kids....boys totally shafted agree...those players won't come back if they find greener pastures....why play d league if you can play qabl level somewhere else...girls..well three of the wnbl girls were recruited by qabl program at logan,what now... they are shafted now as well...what about the logan qabl kids used as training bait with wnbl, where does this leave them....looks like a sad day for the whole program...can't wait to drive to browns plains and have my car stolen or vandalised...at least I won't have to do it for the qabl season

[2 cents]

what a disappointment Logan is out for 09 season, they had a good thing going there i thought.. so bad management has cost us a team where do the players go?

Bundys looking for players to rebuild, Coastal an Marchydore both need a few to get off the bottom of the ladder... GC dont pay players so will Thalo play for free there??? SW both teams performed well but who knows with one or two more could finish higher next year?? be interesting to see the flow on effects..

so what does this mean to pool formation? have heard possibilities of Gladstone moving south to form South, Central and North as Suggested by Pip as much as i love the Cairns/Townsville trip be nice not to play them twice next season...

South GC, SW, Caps, Ippy an Neers
Central Clips, Suns, NS, Bulls n Power
North Cans, Tvile, Mkay an Rock

only means 17 games for south central n 15 for north not to sure what the solution is?

[Boss Playa]

I am shocked that Logan has pulled the pin on QABL. I don't think they fared as well as they thought they would with the personnel they had on board, but they were interesting to watch.

There were no doubt some talented players on both the mens and womens teams, and it's going to be interesting to see where those who continue to play end. Locality-wise, one would think that South West and Gold Coast are the front runners to pick up the best scraps, but I wouldn't discount Brisbane, Northside and Ipswich either. Southern Districts (SEABL) had trouble with depth last season, and I certainly think that they will make a run at a few players.

Meyerding, Ammar, Thalo, Broom and Josh Knight are those who will be pursued.

If he is right to go, Broom will probably stay in Townville. I think I've seen him sitting on the Crocs bench, so that would be a good indication he is sticking around.

As posted, rumours have Ammar going to Gold Coast.

Josh Knight is a selfless player and he will easily pick up a game somewhere. Who knows his possible destination.

Meyerding would perhaps be a good fit for the Pirates if he chose to look there.

Thalo is still a premier player and will/should be recruited heavily. If someone is looking at throwing some money around, he perhaps would go to the highest bidder (who knows who that could be). An interesting thought I had is that the Spartans pick him up for SEABL play. He is a competitor and I know he would relish this challenge. The bonus is that Megan Michael would tag along as well and suit up for the women. Just throwing it out there.

That leaves Bec Haynes and Brit Davis as players of consequence for the women.

Brittany hasn't been that great in WNBL, but if she wants to stick around in QLD, she would be a handy addition to most teams.

Bec Haynes I believe is not too fond of Districts. if she chooses to play, she may very well go to South West. Jason Chainey is a personable coach and this could be the right atmosphere for her to continue to flourish in.

I'm looking forward to further transactions as we head towards next year. I'm especially looking forward to see if B-Will really does come home to Maroochydore.

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South GC, SW, Caps, Ippy an Neers
Central Clips, Suns, NS, Bulls n Power
North Cans, Tvile, Mkay an Rock


why don't we just change the name of the central pool to d-league.

can't really blame logan for having the balls to do what is right for them. you would presume all their sponsors have gone to the wnbl program which means the assoc (members) is paying for the aba program. they probably found it hard to justify spending $60k+ of their members money on imports/travel/entry fee into a league they are never going to win. i am sure they have lots of better ways to spend that money across the whole assoc.

full state is never going to work in qld. there just isn't enough rich teams to make it work. even half-full (or half-empty) doesn't seem to work. where is the stepping stone for teams like logan, hb and runaway bay to build up to that stage? don't tell me it is d-league cause that is just some glorified u23 comp.

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it is still a possibility that RB could be talked into entering qbl.

if they do then you could see half the gc team joing them which would leave a lot of empty spots in both teams.

didn't thalo and megan sign a combined bundle deal at logan?

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from the most progressive,happening program...to...well..maybe the most backward....pouring money into a pro/semi pro program..and cutting the grass roots and pathway for kids....boys totally shafted agree...those players won't come back if they find greener pastures....why play d league if you can play qabl level somewhere else...girls..well three of the wnbl girls were recruited by qabl program at logan,what now... they are shafted now as well...what about the logan qabl kids used as training bait with wnbl, where does this leave them....looks like a sad day for the whole program...can't wait to drive to browns plains and have my car stolen or vandalised...at least I won't have to do it for the qabl season

Your all over the shop AND dont know what your talking about!
"Cutting the grass roots and pathways for kids"...I think if you read what Mark said again and see whats there and not what you construe, you'll see thats exactly what their budget priorities are going to be...Junior Pathways, come and try initiatives and junior competitions.
In other words, all the things that form the supporter base for a professional franchise. It's 1.01 of Sports Admin to anyone that knows and good on LBI Inc. (well Marcus actually) for seeing where the bread is actually buttered and having the temerity to make a stand alone decision for the betterment of their Membership base and long term for their WNBL program.
(I'm sure the WNBL team will be able to get heaps of training bait round the SE Corner anytime they want and sure Logan girls will be first on the court at scrimmage time.) Gees with decisive leadership like this it just MAY be LBI that head up Queenslands next NBL program instead of old BQ??!!!
Good darts Mark and Board.

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[QUOTE=2 cents;11848]what a disappointment Logan is out for 09 season, they had a good thing going there i thought.. so bad management has cost us a team where do the players go?

Bundys looking for players to rebuild, Coastal an Marchydore both need a few to get off the bottom of the ladder... GC dont pay players so will Thalo play for free there???
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Gees where do you get off with the "bad management costing us a team"?! Who the hell is "us"?...and to a lot of people's thinking it's bloody GOOD management to recognise the QABL for what it is...(biggest cheque book wins)...and put your $$$ into building an Association Membership that will number in the thousands before too long. Maybe Mark has inside info but probably just sniffed the wind from years of experience and will coincidentally coincide with the Federal Governments new sports framework where the emphasis is on participation pathways and inclusiveness for Juniors, Women in Sport, Indigenous Sport, Disabled Sport and Masters.
The fact that all that council money LBI is granted is going to be spent on areas of social need in the region plus will grow a supporter base for their WNBL (and maybe NBL?!) and sense of community identity in the Logan area is very good management from where I sit.

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for mine tommy ammar is the great pick/up from last years logan side young tuf in all aspects with a great team attitude and open to good coaching will only improve, he needs to play so i hope he heads to the caps and dale ryan.

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tommy ammar, he needs to play so i hope he heads to the caps and dale ryan.

hell no. don't come to bbi if you wanna play. bbi have a policy of playing their own first. and with a tribe of bigfoots and other qld and oz junior rep players coming through the ranks all he would get there is splinters in his arse.

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hell no. don't come to bbi if you wanna play. bbi have a policy of playing their own first. and with a tribe of bigfoots and other qld and oz junior rep players coming through the ranks all he would get there is splinters in his arse.
Yeh thats the downside of being an association hopper. Seems like a good idea at the time but when times get lean and you need somewhere to turn to you find you havent really paid your dues anywhere. Never mind Tommy is a great talent and a nice bloke and I'm sure he'll be playing somewhere even if it's not for money.

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Your all over the shop AND dont know what your talking about!
"Cutting the grass roots and pathways for kids"...I think if you read what Mark said again and see whats there and not what you construe, you'll see thats exactly what their budget priorities are going to be...Junior Pathways, come and try initiatives and junior competitions.
In other words, all the things that form the supporter base for a professional franchise. It's 1.01 of Sports Admin to anyone that knows and good on LBI Inc. (well Marcus actually) for seeing where the bread is actually buttered and having the temerity to make a stand alone decision for the betterment of their Membership base and long term for their WNBL program.
(I'm sure the WNBL team will be able to get heaps of training bait round the SE Corner anytime they want and sure Logan girls will be first on the court at scrimmage time.) Gees with decisive leadership like this it just MAY be LBI that head up Queenslands next NBL program instead of old BQ??!!!
Good darts Mark and Board.

Stand alone decision!? Probably. Junior comps are income generating. Come and try initiatives good! Junior pathways have just been destroyed. Lets see what comes of it. 8 K entry plus travel & accom another 8 K, coaches wages ?K Thalos wages ?K, Gecko' wages ? K, Meyerding's wages ?, Tommy ?K, Broomy ?K. A lot of money to be spent at Browns plains. Expect to see major annoncements re schools program development in very near future after yearly review and looking to the future. Pity Logan did noy have same interest in future two years ago when entering comp. With all the experience touted you would expect they knew the landscape they were entering into with a plan for sustainability. I would suspect Mark does have some inside knowledge of new BA strategies and sincerely hope it turns out to be a wise move in hindsight. Hope this is just a political move to force hand of change with BQ for next years format. Show me the powerhouse of junior development that have not had a mens and womens team competing at the highest level. Simply nothing to aspire to if a program at the highest level is not in place. No culture of competing. Re comment on winning with cash. who cares. There will always be centres with more cash. If you had the choice of playing anyone in the world 1 on 1 who would you pick? I would play MJ. Yes get spanked but learn a whole lot about the game and what level it can be played at. Its not about winning its about development. Only the diehards could tell you who won the championship in 1997 but most fans could tell you that Brad Williamson came out of Maroochy and Ben Castle Brisbane John Rilley Toowoomba.
Bitterly disappointed in the decision!

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I am shocked that Logan has pulled the pin on QABL. I don't think they fared as well as they thought they would with the personnel they had on board, but they were interesting to watch.

There were no doubt some talented players on both the mens and womens teams, and it's going to be interesting to see where those who continue to play end. Locality-wise, one would think that South West and Gold Coast are the front runners to pick up the best scraps, but I wouldn't discount Brisbane, Northside and Ipswich either. Southern Districts (SEABL) had trouble with depth last season, and I certainly think that they will make a run at a few players.

Meyerding, Ammar, Thalo, Broom and Josh Knight are those who will be pursued.

If he is right to go, Broom will probably stay in Townville. I think I've seen him sitting on the Crocs bench, so that would be a good indication he is sticking around.

As posted, rumours have Ammar going to Gold Coast.

Josh Knight is a selfless player and he will easily pick up a game somewhere. Who knows his possible destination.

Meyerding would perhaps be a good fit for the Pirates if he chose to look there.

Thalo is still a premier player and will/should be recruited heavily. If someone is looking at throwing some money around, he perhaps would go to the highest bidder (who knows who that could be). An interesting thought I had is that the Spartans pick him up for SEABL play. He is a competitor and I know he would relish this challenge. The bonus is that Megan Michael would tag along as well and suit up for the women. Just throwing it out there.

That leaves Bec Haynes and Brit Davis as players of consequence for the women.

Brittany hasn't been that great in WNBL, but if she wants to stick around in QLD, she would be a handy addition to most teams.

Bec Haynes I believe is not too fond of Districts. if she chooses to play, she may very well go to South West. Jason Chainey is a personable coach and this could be the right atmosphere for her to continue to flourish in.

I'm looking forward to further transactions as we head towards next year. I'm especially looking forward to see if B-Will really does come home to Maroochydore.

Some of your mail is stale!

Chaney is not coaching SW QBL, work and state commitments preventing him from committing. SW on the lookut for someone to fill his rather large shoes at the Pirate ship.

Amar is playing for Dale Ryan at Brisbane, seems they froged a realtionship while together at the Bullets. Never, ever heading to the Coast, where did that come from?

I hear Megan Michaels is/was serioulsy considering taking a well earned break during the WNBL off season.

Thalo is understandbly disallusioned with hoops at this particular moment, who could blame him. However he has fieleded a couple of calls regarding his availability for 09. He may decide to walk away from the game and get on with life and build a future here in some other business prusuits. Time will tell.

Sid Mines was offerd the Ippy Mens HC position, but he wisely knocked it back. Where too now for Ippy?

BQ madly scrambling to fix this latest problem with their full state "jewel". Something they have known about for quite a few weeks, and strangely have not let the stakeholders know. Still nothing official from BQ on the Logan withdrawl. I think the flood gates will open soon and Qld is in for a major shakeup.

Watch this space....

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Woohoo. Finally a message from BQ regarding the ACC and Logan: Australian Club Championships and the QBL (http://sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-4479-0-0-0&sID=50634&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=7335754&sectionID=50634)

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Interesting that SEABL is now known as South Australian Central League. I guess they didn't have any expansion plans further NORTH when they made that decision.

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Interesting that SEABL is now known as South Australian Central League. I guess they didn't have any expansion plans further NORTH when they made that decision.

Oops, my mistake... That is off course the SA league... Duh...

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The withdrawl of Logan further highlights the need for a better second-tier competition. It should be a competition open to any association or club, and would not be age discrimative (this was the only folly of Berginey). Logan has a solid senior player base who would benefit from playing in this comp. BQ need to get serious. Allow clubs such as North Brisbane and Griffith Uni to jump in, Runaway Bay would have a chop, and invite Southern Districts. Forget the fact they play SEABL, they still have a large number of players who would make an open second-tier comp very competitive.

Also, we need full state, no bitching or whining about it. Sure it would be convenient for us southies to pull stumps and play in our own comp, but BQ needs full state to ensure a credible pathway for senior players. It will never be viable for the north to play on their own. Club administrators need to play within their means and not splash out on paying players if that's what it means. Also that three import rule is a joke and should be binned. It will only encourage clubs like Rocky (who can easily afford it) to dominate the comp whilst hard working associations like Toowoomba and South West get the dud end of the deal.

Interesting times ahead.

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Sid Mines was offerd the Ippy Mens HC position, but he wisely knocked it back. Where too now for Ippy?

BQ madly scrambling to fix this latest problem with their full state "jewel". Something they have known about for quite a few weeks, and strangely have not let the stakeholders know. Still nothing official from BQ on the Logan withdrawl. I think the flood gates will open soon and Qld is in for a major shakeup.

Watch this space....

What happened at Ippi..? Whay would Sid apply and then turn them down..? Did he ask for too much money..?

I hear BQ have sent out a draft fraw already with 3 pools..?

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Stand alone decision!? Probably. Junior comps are income generating. Come and try initiatives good! Junior pathways have just been destroyed.

Show me the powerhouse of junior development that have not had a mens and womens team competing at the highest level. Simply nothing to aspire to if a program at the highest level is not in place. No culture of competing.

Its not about winning its about development. Only the diehards could tell you who won the championship in 1997 but most fans could tell you that Brad Williamson came out of Maroochy and Ben Castle Brisbane John Rilley Toowoomba.
Bitterly disappointed in the decision!

Sorry you keep contradicting yourself.
a) It wasnt a stand alone decision. The whole board looked at the numbers (and the future plans which of course havent been unveiled to the good readers of Bendoes!) and saw the future and how to achieve it. Junior pathways have in fact been created ,with more to come.
(80% non-local participation in LBI's ABA program-dont see many local junior pathways there)

b) Not having a team at the "highest" level??? How high is WNBL??? How high will be an NBL program if Logan's emphasis on Association/supporter base building leads to them having the structure and money to satisfy the NBL's criteria for the new QLD licence??? They have the required facility? ...why not the next step?

c) With respect, dont think you have much idea about sports development. You are canning LBI's decision to concentrate their funding on development yet now championing the 'development' cause??? Development isnt throwing money at a few ex-NBL players trying to stretch their careers supported by good GBL standard players providing bench space for a few post junior kids who probably wont make NBL anyway. If the money is spent on growing participation numbers (talent pool) then employing expert coaches to run academy programs for the elite of them then taking those squads away to interstate and international tournaments, you have the basics of development. Of course with a WNBL program and maybe eventually an NBL program to feed those developed kids into you certainly have you pathways. Thanks for the info on where those sometimes NBL players first came from. Interesting point though. Jorden Page, Mitchell Young, Clint Stiendle, Christian Salecich, Brock Motum...all playing for Australia at World Championship level and going to College careers and who knows where else...never played a game of ABA for M'Dore/Logan/BBI/Gold Coast...hasnt done their development too much harm?!
Bottom line is however, if you feel the need for an ABA program at Logan so bad, why not get out your cheque book (you'll need to find quite a few others with a similar need to be able to compete!!) and approach LBI for you to finance and run an ABA program under the Logan licence?

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What happened at Ippi..? Whay would Sid apply and then turn them down..? Did he ask for too much money..?

I hear BQ have sent out a draft fraw already with 3 pools..?

Sid asked for bucks told they dont have it so no go, Ippi asked Perc to do it and he has said no due to various reasons so now they are looking elsewhere again, not sure who is out there that could do it or want it......................

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Sid asked for bucks told they dont have it so no go, Ippi asked Perc to do it and he has said no due to various reasons so now they are looking elsewhere again, not sure who is out there that could do it or want it......................

Where are all the Geoff Tarrant fans?? If ever there is a chance for this guy to have a go, here it is. Anyone sticks their hand up they are in, Geoff could transport his Dragons side a few ks west to Ippy and show us all what he's got.

Come on Geoff time to put up!!

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Where are all the Geoff Tarrant fans?? If ever there is a chance for this guy to have a go, here it is. Anyone sticks their hand up they are in, Geoff could transport his Dragons side a few ks west to Ippy and show us all what he's got.

Come on Geoff time to put up!!


would be great to see, but should have got the caps job.

tim west, chris olsen and tommy ammar would suit up no doubt, with geoff team coach and mick the individuals coach.

It would increase the ippy-caps rivalery.


Crack

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Sorry you keep contradicting yourself.
a) It wasnt a stand alone decision. The whole board looked at the numbers (and the future plans which of course havent been unveiled to the good readers of Bendoes!) and saw the future and how to achieve it. Junior pathways have in fact been created ,with more to come.
(80% non-local participation in LBI's ABA program-dont see many local junior pathways there)

b) Not having a team at the "highest" level??? How high is WNBL??? How high will be an NBL program if Logan's emphasis on Association/supporter base building leads to them having the structure and money to satisfy the NBL's criteria for the new QLD licence??? They have the required facility? ...why not the next step?

c) With respect, dont think you have much idea about sports development. You are canning LBI's decision to concentrate their funding on development yet now championing the 'development' cause??? Development isnt throwing money at a few ex-NBL players trying to stretch their careers supported by good GBL standard players providing bench space for a few post junior kids who probably wont make NBL anyway. If the money is spent on growing participation numbers (talent pool) then employing expert coaches to run academy programs for the elite of them then taking those squads away to interstate and international tournaments, you have the basics of development. Of course with a WNBL program and maybe eventually an NBL program to feed those developed kids into you certainly have you pathways. Thanks for the info on where those sometimes NBL players first came from. Interesting point though. Jorden Page, Mitchell Young, Clint Stiendle, Christian Salecich, Brock Motum...all playing for Australia at World Championship level and going to College careers and who knows where else...never played a game of ABA for M'Dore/Logan/BBI/Gold Coast...hasnt done their development too much harm?!
Bottom line is however, if you feel the need for an ABA program at Logan so bad, why not get out your cheque book (you'll need to find quite a few others with a similar need to be able to compete!!) and approach LBI for you to finance and run an ABA program under the Logan licence?

Contradictions. Here we go!
a) Was not the point of putting ABA in place to provide pathway for Logan juniors and now it is not? Players recruited and paid by choice so please don't quote percentages of local participation. Besides you had Tom Ammar, Steve Broom, Luke Gillard, Bones, Richard Morris and the long bench of those that trained and had access to train against those paid players. Also those juniors that came to games to watch and learn to appreciate the standard of play. Right down to under 12 rep boys and girls. Do appreciate development programs:- Free Fun Clinics (a great starting point). Thunderball ( Been there since day dot) well run and Thunder League (great bridge to big courts) well run. I am eagerly awaiting new initiatives.

b) Great plan WNBL and NBL and as I posted before I believe Mark has an understanding of the developments and workings of BA. Full support in that regard.

c) This is where you fall down in your arguement! Throwing money at players is OK if you can afford it. If you can not then don't. But you still need to have a level of competition for those players to develop. Great if you can afford good people and players to learn from at trainings week in week out. But you still get an education playing against the best. Where do you think all those players you mentioned play the last couple of years?! This is your airball!

ABA in SEABL !!!! Obviously our expert coaches in our world class basketball program at the AIS believe players need that level to play in to develop. They get great opportunities thru AIS but it is still no guarantee they will play and stay in NBL. You need that level of competition. Your right about building the base but if you pull out one level of the pyramid you can not build it as high.

Look at Southern Districts they wanted to enter QABL next year with SEABL as their premier competition.

Hard to argue however that SEABL is better than QABL given the last two years results.

Whatever the future holds Logan will need to address that level of competition.

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If money is contributed I would like to see it spent wisely.

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Where are all the Geoff Tarrant fans?? If ever there is a chance for this guy to have a go, here it is. Anyone sticks their hand up they are in, Geoff could transport his Dragons side a few ks west to Ippy and show us all what he's got.

Come on Geoff time to put up!!

Now that's something I would pay to see.

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Sorry you keep contradicting yourself.
a) It wasnt a stand alone decision. The whole board looked at the numbers (and the future plans which of course havent been unveiled to the good readers of Bendoes!) and saw the future and how to achieve it. Junior pathways have in fact been created ,with more to come.
(80% non-local participation in LBI's ABA program-dont see many local junior pathways there)

b) Not having a team at the "highest" level??? How high is WNBL??? How high will be an NBL program if Logan's emphasis on Association/supporter base building leads to them having the structure and money to satisfy the NBL's criteria for the new QLD licence??? They have the required facility? ...why not the next step?

Logan's QABL program was only young..it was the perfect pathway for the junior program. The AIS selects the best from all over Australia....denouncing the QABL/SEABL and ex NBL players is a bit arrogant. What about the club supporters that turn up every week and enjoy being a part of the Thunder.....the QABL program was building links....who jumps from U/18s to WNBL (in particular if you are male)... ridiculous argument...junior pathways...to support other clubs QABL programs...

A NBL and WNBL program out of Browns Plains...you are kidding yourself...of cousre the Logan's Board have kids that will jump straight from U/18s to both....pie in the sky buddy....

The WNBL thing is awesome...but it is too bad that Mitch Young won't be able to come back and play QABL/QBL for Logan and the current good crop of juniors won't be able to play seniors for the Thunder...but at least the Spartans junior program can keep feeding the WNBL..

It is great that Browns Plains is going to be the saviour of basketball in SE Qld...next winter I will be able to go and watch the Pirates play the Wizards, cos' I can't watch the Thunder any more...

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Ah? do you really think Mitch would be back any day soon to play qabl? me thinks not - not for maybe at least the next 10 year or so anyways

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Logan has no chance of ever getting an NBL program, with the restructuring of the NBL, there will probably only be 2 teams in QLD, 3 max, pretty sure Logan won't be one of them.

My opinion is to bring back the Super 8 and Southern Crss Leagues, the big money and NBL supported clubs (Rocky, Cairns, Townsville, Bris etc.) play in Super 8 and the rest who really can't afford imports (Ippy, Woomba, Logan etc.) go back and play in Cross. It seemed to work, I would keep them separate too, why have an embarrasing cross-over where the super 8 teams wallop the cross teams.

Thats my 2 cents (pardon the pun nagas)

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I like the idea of a no imports/no paid players league...that way college-bound kids could play

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[QUOTEAh? do you really think Mitch would be back any day soon to play qabl? me thinks not - not for maybe at least the next 10 year or so anyways[/QUOTE]

maybe he would if there was a club culture, and people involved he respected...and maybe to have some fun with mates

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I like the idea of a no imports/no paid players league...that way college-bound kids could play

isn't that called gbl

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Logan has no chance of ever getting an NBL program, with the restructuring of the NBL, there will probably only be 2 teams in QLD, 3 max, pretty sure Logan won't be one of them.

My opinion is to bring back the Super 8 and Southern Crss Leagues, the big money and NBL supported clubs (Rocky, Cairns, Townsville, Bris etc.) play in Super 8 and the rest who really can't afford imports (Ippy, Woomba, Logan etc.) go back and play in Cross. It seemed to work, I would keep them separate too, why have an embarrasing cross-over where the super 8 teams wallop the cross teams.

Thats my 2 cents (pardon the pun nagas)
You might just find that with their track record and demonstrated ability to set up and maintain a professional franchise that LBI and their sponsors/supporters more than fill the criteria for the mandatory 'new' NBL franchise in Brisbane. Just a thought?

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Time for an off-season thread..?

Are they seriously stupid enough not to sign Sid Mines regardless of his proposal. They were terrible last year on and off the court, and Sid brings with him so much experience and discipline. Not to mention with logan pulling out he had so much to do with the development of tommy, Heath and broomy in their yoynger days in southern cross,that maybe he could attract that type of talent over to ipswich to bolster their stocks. Also rumours that experience players Dwight Hicks and Brad George were considering playing for ippy if Sid got the job.

Are they going to have a repeat of last year with poor coaching options or just put more pressure on Terry to get a team out of trouble?

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Are they seriously stupid enough not to sign Sid Mines regardless of his proposal.

What was his proposal..???

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Where are all the Geoff Tarrant fans?? If ever there is a chance for this guy to have a go, here it is. Anyone sticks their hand up they are in, Geoff could transport his Dragons side a few ks west to Ippy and show us all what he's got.

Come on Geoff time to put up!!

lets get v dog out of bundy i hear there may be a few issues up that way and it may appeal to vdogg to be close to home .

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Logan has no chance of ever getting an NBL program, with the restructuring of the NBL, there will probably only be 2 teams in QLD, 3 max, pretty sure Logan won't be one of them.

My opinion is to bring back the Super 8 and Southern Crss Leagues, the big money and NBL supported clubs (Rocky, Cairns, Townsville, Bris etc.) play in Super 8 and the rest who really can't afford imports (Ippy, Woomba, Logan etc.) go back and play in Cross. It seemed to work, I would keep them separate too, why have an embarrasing cross-over where the super 8 teams wallop the cross teams.

Thats my 2 cents (pardon the pun nagas)

We already have 3, and thats without Brisbane...

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Are they seriously stupid enough not to sign Sid Mines regardless of his proposal. They were terrible last year on and off the court, and Sid brings with him so much experience and discipline. Not to mention with logan pulling out he had so much to do with the development of tommy, Heath and broomy in their yoynger days in southern cross,that maybe he could attract that type of talent over to ipswich to bolster their stocks. Also rumours that experience players Dwight Hicks and Brad George were considering playing for ippy if Sid got the job.

Are they going to have a repeat of last year with poor coaching options or just put more pressure on Terry to get a team out of trouble?
WOW! That would ensure a winning season for sure.

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Are they going to have a repeat of last year with poor coaching options or just put more pressure on Terry to get a team out of trouble?

Cant see that helping does great stuff with the juniors but his huff and puff wouldnt work with adults I think. Desperate times though calls for desperate measures though.

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Are they seriously stupid enough not to sign Sid Mines regardless of his proposal. They were terrible last year on and off the court, and Sid brings with him so much experience and discipline. Not to mention with logan pulling out he had so much to do with the development of tommy, Heath and broomy in their yoynger days in southern cross,that maybe he could attract that type of talent over to ipswich to bolster their stocks. Also rumours that experience players Dwight Hicks and Brad George were considering playing for ippy if Sid got the job.

Are they going to have a repeat of last year with poor coaching options or just put more pressure on Terry to get a team out of trouble?


1. Terry isn't president anymore
2. Sid wanted money they didn't have
3. Brad George HAHA - could only just cut it in D League let alone QABL, I am sure add him bring a championship.

Love all these people that come on here not knowing any of the facts... f***in joker

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We already have 3, and thats without Brisbane...

they haven't named the teams from QLD yet, but they want an 8 team comp, can't see how they can fit in 3 teams plus LOGAN.. HAHA

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Word is that BQ are starting to worry about what is happening with QBL. Logan gone and at least two others not real sure they will be there next year. No meeting with all clubs present suggests things not what they seem. Districts had requested to put a team in for Logan but rejected by clubs unless they quit seabl which we all know they wont . At least two other teams now talking to seabl about 2010 when the real future of our sport starts to take shape with new NBL and new second tier competition. No nationa club championship this coming year and in 2010 it will be gone as there is now only two leagues wanting the competition in Waratah and QBL. What are our administrators doing. Time to look forward guys and stop trying to settle old scores. Is it true that BQ have over 16 full time staff. That would nearly be $1,000.000 in wages every year. Lets start acompetition to name who is in there.
Graham Burns CEO
Denise who has been there forever
Jan Teys accountant
Blair Smith Central develop
Chris Riches technical staff
Bec Dudic Technical
Bruce Palmer part time technical
Melinda BQJBC
Anne accounts
Steve QBL
??? Womens initiative
??? Front office
Tom ??? trainee I think
??? Sponsorship person
????? Does Towoomba devel
????/ Does North Coast devel
?????? Does south Coast devel

Any more I have not thought of?????????????????????????

Your fees at work.

[Unregistered]

1. Terry isn't president anymore
2. Sid wanted money they didn't have
3. Brad George HAHA - could only just cut it in D League let alone QABL, I am sure add him bring a championship.

Love all these people that come on here not knowing any of the facts... f***in joker


1: True but still works his ass off whether you love or hate the guy
2: True and not sure how much he wanted but maybe if they didnt pay the women's coach so much....I have been told by a very very reliable source that she got $7500 not sure if that was for one or two years with that money coming via sponsorship.
3: And with a mighty record in 2008 any player and i repeat any player would have to help improve on that fantastic record.

FACTS................................

[Unregistered]

they haven't named the teams from QLD yet, but they want an 8 team comp, can't see how they can fit in 3 teams plus LOGAN.. HAHA

With Sydney about to pull the pin on the NBL you could find all 8 teams coming from Queensland ;)

[Unregistered]

No nationa club championship this coming year and in 2010 it will be gone as there is now only two leagues wanting the competition in Waratah and QBL. What are our administrators doing.
Graham Burns CEO
Denise who has been there forever
Jan Teys accountant
Blair Smith Central develop
Chris Riches technical staff
Bec Dudic Technical
Bruce Palmer part time technical
Melinda BQJBC
Anne accounts
Steve QBL
??? Womens initiative
??? Front office
Tom ??? trainee I think
??? Sponsorship person
????? Does Towoomba devel
????/ Does North Coast devel
?????? Does south Coast devel

Any more I have not thought of?????????????????????????

Your fees at work.
Pretty obvious why SEABL wouldnt want a National Final. After all their hype and bluster about being Australias premier league and the money and influence poured into it, whose won it the last two years?...That's right...teams from the "crappy" league in Queensland!
Wouldnt pay to open the can of worms about BQ staffing. Practically all those people have been put there at a time they were or still are doing work on the side for Southern Districts.
Your fees at work.

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.
Your fees at work.[/QUOTE]

BQ got record state government funding (again) because of the programmes it runs and that includes positions that are funded by or subsidised by the State. That is why thay have been able to constrain fees ( no increase next year)
Get back to ripping off your rep players.

[Unregistered]

Word is that BQ are starting to worry about what is happening with QBL. Logan gone and at least two others not real sure they will be there next year. No meeting with all clubs present suggests things not what they seem. Districts had requested to put a team in for Logan but rejected by clubs unless they quit seabl which we all know they wont . At least two other teams now talking to seabl about 2010 when the real future of our sport starts to take shape with new NBL and new second tier competition. No nationa club championship this coming year and in 2010 it will be gone as there is now only two leagues wanting the competition in Waratah and QBL. What are our administrators doing. Time to look forward guys and stop trying to settle old scores. Is it true that BQ have over 16 full time staff. That would nearly be $1,000.000 in wages every year. Lets start acompetition to name who is in there.
Graham Burns CEO
Denise who has been there forever
Jan Teys accountant
Blair Smith Central develop
Chris Riches technical staff
Bec Dudic Technical
Bruce Palmer part time technical
Melinda BQJBC
Anne accounts
Steve QBL
??? Womens initiative
??? Front office
Tom ??? trainee I think
??? Sponsorship person
????? Does Towoomba devel
????/ Does North Coast devel
?????? Does south Coast devel

Any more I have not thought of?????????????????????????

Your fees at work.

BQ doing a pretty good job. All very approachable and easy to communicate with. Willing to listen and compromise. A bit different from the culture in the past. BQ in good order compared to other states. Look at NSW QBL vs Warratah League & SEABL. Junior representation in AIS and BA teams. Just need to roll the Vics off top spot in Juniors.

[Unregistered]

????? Does Towoomba devel

Your fees at work.

No devel in Toowoomba.

[vdogg]

lets get v dog out of bundy i hear there may be a few issues up that way and it may appeal to vdogg to be close to home .

thanks for the concern but im very happy in bundy and the only issue in bundy is that there are no issues at all

on a side note we are having a scrimmage / tryout for any players interested in being part of a qabl team in 2009 on the 13th december 2008

further enquiries call me on 0431813179

oh stay tuned for some signings in the next week or two out of bundy

Cheers VDOGG

[What's the craic?]

I have been away in the UK and just checked bendoes for the first time in a while and what's the story back home?? It's madness. Logan pulling the pin is ridiculous, but won't ramble about that. But didn't I hear something about QBL rejecting Runaway Bay's entry into the league? Given that it's only November, wouldn't now be a great time to reconsider that option and as such keep the structure which I believe has been successful the same? I think other than the Power's unfortunate situation of having to play 8 games against the big 4 up there, the league has been a success and you are already starting to see the league become more competitive. Sure, some clubs have money and others don't creating an inequality there, but you just have to look at what the pirates did last year. Hell, last season wasn't too crash but look at what the Clippers did in '07 straight out of southern cross. To those who are wanting a revert to super 8 and southern cross, to go back now would be a disaster! There are multiple options to finding that 15th team and the 5th one in the south so you can keep the structure the same. I expect criticism on this, but how about a team from...

SOUTHERN DISTRICTS! Why not? There is that much talent running around there, poor bastards like Nash Allsopp, Andrew Taylor and a bunch of others on their SEABL Roster keep splinters from riding the pine. It will be worse this year with Spartan's recruiting dash due to their SEABL Bonus for their 3rd year in the League. You could schedule games so that they don't clash with SEABL home games, and designate a top 8 on the SEABL Roster that are not permitted to play QBL while the others who will be benchwarming in SEABL get some game time in QBL. If your worried about a lack of players to play QBL when the SEABL team goes on the road you shouldn't be because there is so much depth at Districts, and with Logan folding if Districts were to start a team I'm sure a few of the Thunder boys would be interested in heading over to Districts for a look. I mean I think about a guy like Alex Cox who came back from college and SEABL just all seems like too much effort, especially with Adam Gibson in front of him at the 1 spot! This would appeal to guys like him, and the Matt Dowl's, and all those guys who were outstanding juniors at one of the elite associations in the state who stop playing by age 23-24 because there is NOWHERE FOR THEM TO PLAY! Half the time they don't make it that long they finish juniors and just quit, so how about giving them a place to play and providing some opportunity for development? This idea is certainly thinking outside the box, but it's worth a thought! Anyway thats my input, got on a roll there, just think its crazy that elite state level players from Spartans have no options because their senior team is filled with NBL Recruits. Tim Graham, Shane Forster, Adam Condon, Nathan Jackson, and so on...

[Unregistered]

.
Your fees at work.

BQ got record state government funding (again) because of the programmes it runs and that includes positions that are funded by or subsidised by the State. That is why thay have been able to constrain fees ( no increase next year)
Get back to ripping off your rep players.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for info. It is still members money. Even after your record generation of funds (well done) from Government BQ still charge members nearly $50 each. What does a socail member get for this? Players in any BQ competition still pay a fee on top of registration. We are a sport in crisis and time for some leadership not self justification from above.

[Unregistered]

BQ got record state government funding (again) because of the programmes it runs and that includes positions that are funded by or subsidised by the State. That is why thay have been able to constrain fees ( no increase next year)
Get back to ripping off your rep players.


Thanks for info. It is still members money. Even after your record generation of funds (well done) from Government BQ still charge members nearly $50 each. What does a socail member get for this? Players in any BQ competition still pay a fee on top of registration. We are a sport in crisis and time for some leadership not self justification from above.[/QUOTE]

Not the whole sport in crisis just the NBL. All other areas doing well!

[Unregistered]

1. Terry isn't president anymore
2. Sid wanted money they didn't have
3. Brad George HAHA - could only just cut it in D League let alone QABL, I am sure add him bring a championship.

Love all these people that come on here not knowing any of the facts... f***in joker

Think you better check your facts, the womens coach is sure on more money then what sid would ask for and regarding Brad George check your facts on his ability as a former NBl development player who would be ten times better then any guards ippy have had. And if he had a run in d-league im sure he didnt train or even play many games..

[Unregistered]

I have been away in the UK and just checked bendoes for the first time in a while and what's the story back home?? It's madness. Logan pulling the pin is ridiculous, but won't ramble about that. But didn't I hear something about QBL rejecting Runaway Bay's entry into the league? Given that it's only November, wouldn't now be a great time to reconsider that option and as such keep the structure which I believe has been successful the same? I think other than the Power's unfortunate situation of having to play 8 games against the big 4 up there, the league has been a success and you are already starting to see the league become more competitive. Sure, some clubs have money and others don't creating an inequality there, but you just have to look at what the pirates did last year. Hell, last season wasn't too crash but look at what the Clippers did in '07 straight out of southern cross. To those who are wanting a revert to super 8 and southern cross, to go back now would be a disaster! There are multiple options to finding that 15th team and the 5th one in the south so you can keep the structure the same. I expect criticism on this, but how about a team from...

SOUTHERN DISTRICTS! Why not? There is that much talent running around there, poor bastards like Nash Allsopp, Andrew Taylor and a bunch of others on their SEABL Roster keep splinters from riding the pine. It will be worse this year with Spartan's recruiting dash due to their SEABL Bonus for their 3rd year in the League. You could schedule games so that they don't clash with SEABL home games, and designate a top 8 on the SEABL Roster that are not permitted to play QBL while the others who will be benchwarming in SEABL get some game time in QBL. If your worried about a lack of players to play QBL when the SEABL team goes on the road you shouldn't be because there is so much depth at Districts, and with Logan folding if Districts were to start a team I'm sure a few of the Thunder boys would be interested in heading over to Districts for a look. I mean I think about a guy like Alex Cox who came back from college and SEABL just all seems like too much effort, especially with Adam Gibson in front of him at the 1 spot! This would appeal to guys like him, and the Matt Dowl's, and all those guys who were outstanding juniors at one of the elite associations in the state who stop playing by age 23-24 because there is NOWHERE FOR THEM TO PLAY! Half the time they don't make it that long they finish juniors and just quit, so how about giving them a place to play and providing some opportunity for development? This idea is certainly thinking outside the box, but it's worth a thought! Anyway thats my input, got on a roll there, just think its crazy that elite state level players from Spartans have no options because their senior team is filled with NBL Recruits. Tim Graham, Shane Forster, Adam Condon, Nathan Jackson, and so on...

Thank god you are back...at last same sense...instead of one clubs drive to save basketball...

[Unregistered]

But didn't I hear something about QBL rejecting Runaway Bay's entry into the league? Given that it's only November, wouldn't now be a great time to reconsider that option and as such keep the structure which I believe has been successful the same?
SOUTHERN DISTRICTS! Why not? ...

Just a couple of facts
QABL did not reject RB. They did not apply but did consider entering but decided against it at the moment.
SD did apply (after Nominations Closed) and were asked to provide some detail given potential clashes with SEABL and given that the ACC decision is an interim decision for next year only. There was no vote against them , but when clubs were asked their opinion there was concerns at the ongoing record of criticism of QABL and the QABL clubs.
Before the Board could consider the application SD WITHDREW because their application was based on a proposal to use Logan players and facilities in a joint proposal but Logan had not responded to their proposal.

[What's the craic?]

Ok thanks for providing that info. I was not aware of those factors and they make sense. I wasn't saying a Spartans team was THE solution, and if logistical issues are preventing their entry then that is understandable. All I was saying is if there is a situation in which Southern Districts can feasibly place a team in the QBL which can be run efficiently and fit into the existing structure, then a team at Southern Districts is best for everybody involved IMHO. Peace

[Unregistered]

reece martin signed with the rockets

[Unregistered]

go rocky go
waiting for v dog to announce signings
who else going where

[Unregistered]

is rocky going to have the same team as last year?
what about northside and the gold coast teams? would you think shane heal would suit up in the qabl?

[Unregistered]

Highly doubt Shane Heal playing in second-tier basketball for two reasons. He is far too good and his body would not fair well with 18 months of flat out basketball. At 37, I am sure he needs his off-season.

Mackay are looking to re-sign John Fitzgerald and Miles Pierce but are hoping for the Crocs to lend them some talent. ie. Cameron Tovey, Steven Costanzo, Brad Williamson.

Cairns will be again tough with Dwayne Vale healthy, Matt Smith needing to again prove himself and the two speedy guards in Kerry Williams and Scott Cook which leads me to my next question... Would Cook or Williams consider another team as neither will want to share minutes or come off the bench and both are straight up PG's who need the ball in they're hands.

Maybe Williams is a chance for a Gladstone, Bundaberg type team...

[Mr bEn]

Would Cook or Williams consider another team as neither will want to share minutes or come off the bench and both are straight up PG's who need the ball in they're hands.


Good point.

How long is Cookie tied up with the Taipans for? Perhaps he would consider moving home to Brisbane if the Bullets get going again.

[Unregistered]

Big Terry appointed coach of Ippi (on there website). Now we can here GO, GO, GO and RUN, RUN, RUN back in the senior arena after him take the U14s to a state title this year.

[Unregistered]

Big Terry appointed coach of Ippi (on there website). Now we can here GO, GO, GO and RUN, RUN, RUN back in the senior arena after him take the U14s to a state title this year.

"jesus fucking christ" :)

[Unregistered]

"jesus fucking christ" :)

oh my goodness, all those options out there and they go with terry

thought this would have been an opportunity for geoff tarrant to get a go at aba level

good luck ippy here comes the spoon of a wooden variety

[Unregistered]

By fiasco do you mean putting together a team from scratch (like Vdogg is doing) and going to the final and losing to a great Maroochy team with the unstoppable Zane Meehl? Then me moving overseas and some of the team deciding they would play elsewhere next year?

Is that the fiasco you mean??? Or do you mean the fiasco with me cutting your boy Lloyd Lewis? Pretty sure a coach cutting a player is pretty standard business and I highly doubt that decision left Bundy in a "hole". It happened to Lloyd again this year, is that my fault too?That is not a shot at Lloyd. (I actually like Lloyd as a person we just couldnt agree as player and coach) Its a shot at you implying that I was responsible for some sort of fiasco that left Bundy in a hole.

Not really sure how this all means bundy was in a whole because of me. Especially when they had a great team the folowing year after I left with Todd, Colin, Marcus and Nello. Pretty sure they made the play-offs that year too. Then all the players left again, was that because of me too? Did I make them want to quit even though I was in Canada? Why did they all leave and why did Pags retire, think about that.

I took over a team that had zero wins in 2 years, vdogg inherited a teams that lost a lot of players but that was a full season after I had left so before you insinuate that the reason vdogg has to put together a team is my fault I suggest you get your facts right.

Any coach that goes to bundy has to start from scratch. I had 4 players turn up to an open try out. The only locals that have been solid in bundy is Kyle and Pags and a couple of young guys. Not enough to even field a team. So Vdoggs prediciment is a product of the lack of junior developement in Bundy over the last 5-10 years. Its not my fault and its not his.

So before you start taking cheap, spinless shots at me I suggest you dig a little deeper to find out why bundy was apparently in a "hole"

Also you show how little you know about the game is you think Frank and Lloyd are "imports"

Oh and if you want to earn anyones respect for your gutless comments be a man and put your name to it.

Summers

[Unregistered]

By fiasco do you mean putting together a team from scratch (like Vdogg is doing) and going to the final and losing to a great Maroochy team with the unstoppable Zane Meehl? Then me moving overseas and some of the team deciding they would play elsewhere next year?

Is that the fiasco you mean??? Or do you mean the fiasco with me cutting your boy Lloyd Lewis? Pretty sure a coach cutting a player is pretty standard business and I highly doubt that decision left Bundy in a "hole". It happened to Lloyd again this year, is that my fault too?That is not a shot at Lloyd. (I actually like Lloyd as a person we just couldnt agree as player and coach) Its a shot at you implying that I was responsible for some sort of fiasco that left Bundy in a hole.

Not really sure how this all means bundy was in a whole because of me. Especially when they had a great team the folowing year after I left with Todd, Colin, Marcus and Nello. Pretty sure they made the play-offs that year too. Then all the players left again, was that because of me too? Did I make them want to quit even though I was in Canada? Why did they all leave and why did Pags retire, think about that.

I took over a team that had zero wins in 2 years, vdogg inherited a teams that lost a lot of players but that was a full season after I had left so before you insinuate that the reason vdogg has to put together a team is my fault I suggest you get your facts right.

Any coach that goes to bundy has to start from scratch. I had 4 players turn up to an open try out. The only locals that have been solid in bundy is Kyle and Pags and a couple of young guys. Not enough to even field a team. So Vdoggs prediciment is a product of the lack of junior developement in Bundy over the last 5-10 years. Its not my fault and its not his.

So before you start taking cheap, spinless shots at me I suggest you dig a little deeper to find out why bundy was apparently in a "hole"

Also you show how little you know about the game is you think Frank and Lloyd are "imports"

Oh and if you want to earn anyones respect for your gutless comments be a man and put your name to it.

Summers

Well said Summers - don't let it worry you mate... anyone that bags anyone on this site has absolutely no credibility

Wello

[Unregistered]

oh my goodness, all those options out there and they go with terry

thought this would have been an opportunity for geoff tarrant to get a go at aba level

good luck ippy here comes the spoon of a wooden variety


Good on Terry for having a go, best of luck to them, they will probably be the only team who doesn't pay ANY players so it might be a tough year but he will work them hard.

[2 cents]

Well said Summers - don't let it worry you mate... anyone that bags anyone on this site has absolutely no credibility

Wello

haha cos i'm sure neither of you have never ever bagged anyone on this site before...

the good news for Bundy is that their juniors are picking up again so if they can keep Vdogg around for a few years there maybe some more locals for him to coach so he wont have to recruit so heavily in the future but if he gets them working together Bundy will be a force in 09..

but its Rocky that maybe in some trouble with local talent in the future i dont know if they have a local person for Junior Development or if they just rely on Blair but they produced some good players over the years not to sure that will continue once the batch of 18-20+yr olds move on...

Any Pool news for 09 yet?

[vdogg]

By fiasco do you mean putting together a team from scratch (like Vdogg is doing) and going to the final and losing to a great Maroochy team with the unstoppable Zane Meehl? Then me moving overseas and some of the team deciding they would play elsewhere next year?

Is that the fiasco you mean??? Or do you mean the fiasco with me cutting your boy Lloyd Lewis? Pretty sure a coach cutting a player is pretty standard business and I highly doubt that decision left Bundy in a "hole". It happened to Lloyd again this year, is that my fault too?That is not a shot at Lloyd. (I actually like Lloyd as a person we just couldnt agree as player and coach) Its a shot at you implying that I was responsible for some sort of fiasco that left Bundy in a hole.

Not really sure how this all means bundy was in a whole because of me. Especially when they had a great team the folowing year after I left with Todd, Colin, Marcus and Nello. Pretty sure they made the play-offs that year too. Then all the players left again, was that because of me too? Did I make them want to quit even though I was in Canada? Why did they all leave and why did Pags retire, think about that.




I took over a team that had zero wins in 2 years, vdogg inherited a teams that lost a lot of players but that was a full season after I had left so before you insinuate that the reason vdogg has to put together a team is my fault I suggest you get your facts right.

Any coach that goes to bundy has to start from scratch. I had 4 players turn up to an open try out. The only locals that have been solid in bundy is Kyle and Pags and a couple of young guys. Not enough to even field a team. So Vdoggs prediciment is a product of the lack of junior developement in Bundy over the last 5-10 years. Its not my fault and its not his.

So before you start taking cheap, spinless shots at me I suggest you dig a little deeper to find out why bundy was apparently in a "hole"

Also you show how little you know about the game is you think Frank and Lloyd are "imports"

Oh and if you want to earn anyones respect for your gutless comments be a man and put your name to it.

Summers

summers i think the person in question was tryin to say we have 2 imports plus frank and lloyd as well

none of these comments were made by me at all, i think they have come from a disgruntled player somwhere along the lines, hope things are good for u in canada

[Unregistered]

FYI Nagas, every time I (not someone claiming to or perceived to be me) have posted on this site, of which there has been very few times, I have always put my name to it. You might not believe that but anyone who knows me knows I dont hide from the things I say, much like yourself.

Funny how you have led the crusade at times of wanting people to put their name to their posts, yet you make light of someone doing it when bagging me then you bag Wello (for no reason) for highlighting a lack of credibility to those who post namelessly.

Seems a touch hypocritical. Guess you only want them to put their name to it when bagging you, but when bagging others its ok.

Summers

[Unregistered]

I didnt think the comments were you Vdogg. I guess the lack of a comma (,) confused me on the import statement.

Summers

[vdogg]

I didnt think the comments were you Vdogg. I guess the lack of a comma (,) confused me on the import statement.

Summers

yeh all good mate, how is canada snowin yet

[Unregistered]

Good on Terry for having a go, best of luck to them, they will probably be the only team who doesn't pay ANY players so it might be a tough year but he will work them hard.

The dore pay no one and they sure got what they paid for even ippy beat them by 40

[BJ]

From what I hear, the Dore will be paying next season! That is only a rumour though, but Dante Sykes has previously been linked to them, among others.

Have heard Coastal have Bryan Jett sealed for next year, and that they're looking to get a second import on board as well.

[2 cents]

FYI Nagas, every time I (not someone claiming to or perceived to be me) have posted on this site, of which there has been very few times, I have always put my name to it. You might not believe that but anyone who knows me knows I dont hide from the things I say, much like yourself.

Funny how you have led the crusade at times of wanting people to put their name to their posts, yet you make light of someone doing it when bagging me then you bag Wello (for no reason) for highlighting a lack of credibility to those who post namelessly.

Seems a touch hypocritical. Guess you only want them to put their name to it when bagging you, but when bagging others its ok.

Summers

not hypocritical at all Summers wasn't reffering to you anonymously bagging ppl, was simply to reffering to the quote of wello saying people who bag people on here have "absolutely no cred" (he didnt say anonymously)

i just thought it was funny and having a slow day at work so thought i'd say something, dont get me wrong i still think ppl who bag others anonymously are ballbags no matter who they are bagging

but yea i guess it was a dig at you both but these things happen i guess..

[Unregistered]

SW don't pay any players either and I think we can all agree they had an excellent 08 season

[Unregistered]

Fair enough Nagas, I can live with your comments, even about me cos at least you always stand up and take credit for you what you say and do. I can respect that. Thats why I loved and hated you as a player.

Summers.

[pip]

SW don't pay any players either and I think we can all agree they had an excellent 08 season

not even JC???
now you can say he was paid to coach but if he was there solely as a player im pretty sure he would have gotten some coin regardless

[Unregistered]

not even JC???
now you can say he was paid to coach but if he was there solely as a player im pretty sure he would have gotten some coin regardless

this is the same bullshit districts used for years. sure nobody were payed to play, but the clubs made sure they got paid through other means such as development officer or clinics.

i've got no problems with that as it means their juniors can still go to college in the states but don't pump your chest and say we did it on the cheap.

[pip]

???

not sure what you're on about there mate....

im just merely pointing out a fact that whether players/coaches/player coaches get paid directly or indirectly there is no team in the L that can truely say they have "no paid players" on their roster. we all know that happens

i am all for development of juniors and think if you can get around ncaa/naia rules by paying imports/restricted players in a way that allows talented juniors the chance to play at home in the seppo summer months then there should be np problems with it.

[Unregistered]

From what I hear, the Dore will be paying next season! That is only a rumour though, but Dante Sykes has previously been linked to them, among others.

Have heard Coastal have Bryan Jett sealed for next year, and that they're looking to get a second import on board as well.
The rumour you hear is wrong. Maroochydore dont/wont pay anybody. Gives them an NCAA friendly program for their juniors and besides why would they pay? Not what the leagues about for them.

[Unregistered]

SW don't pay any players either and I think we can all agree they had an excellent 08 season
C.J. played for nothing?

[Unregistered]

Big Terry appointed coach of Ippi (on there website). Now we can here GO, GO, GO and RUN, RUN, RUN back in the senior arena after him take the U14s to a state title this year.

hearin reports out of ippy that roger smith to be heavily involved with the mens team net year

[Fly]

NORTHSIDE WIZARDS BASKETBALL
QBL (ACC) PROGRAM and
QBL DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE PROGRAM

2009 MENS PROGRAM OPEN TRIALS

Northside Wizards are based at The Sports Centre @ the Brisbane Entertainment Centre Complex and represent the northern suburbs of Brisbane and peninsula region of Redcliffe and Scarborough.

Open trials are being held for all players
interested in trying out
for selection to our men’s QBL and
QBL development league team.

2009 Selection trials will be held on:

Sunday 7th December

From 5.30-7.30pm
at the Sports Centre,
Brisbane Entertainment Centre
Melaleuca Drive, Boondall

For more information, please contact:
NWB administrator Cathie Roberts on 3356 2575
Or by email administrator@northsidewizards.com

http://www.northsidewizards.basketball.net.au

[Digs]

Where do ppl pull this stuff from? lol, Maroochydore hasn't paid anybody since '97! That's the facts of it and it ain't going to change. We had Americans play for us in 2000 (Sug Parker) and 2001 (DeMarcus Nolan) and they both paid their own way. IF Dante wants to play for the Dore, and IF Waz wants him on his team, he will playing for free. No ifs, buts or maybes. Brad Williamson, Fitz, Rowdy, Norto, Zane, Greg Blake, Mark Micallef and everyone else that has played for the Clips since '97 has received zero financial assistance. End of story. So no, Ippy wouldn't be the only team not paying anyone...

[Unregistered]

Summers you may put your name to your posts, but for you to say you didn't do anything wrong in bundy is a pretty big thing to say. I have heard from numerous people that a lot of money was spent on your side in bundy and the amount of whinging and crying you did to make sure the bears didnt use your precious change room, i know they were hurting financially when you left and i dont think you really cared, yeah your team was good, but really a dead parrot could have coached that team to the final and to also say you were beaten by the almighty mdore is another joke. You were the red hot favorites and the finals were in your gym. You should let your coaching do the talking not your mouth.
Keep up your coaching in the star studded canadian league mate.

Wow another nameless person who thinks they know the facts but dont. First of all if Bundy chose to spend money on the Mens team then that was their choice, do you think I was in control of the money? I'm not sure what money you think they spent but only 2 players received any form of money and it was very little. Simo, BJ, Seb, Nello, Marcus and the rest came to Bundy for free to play for me, dont believe them, then ask them, know all. If you think I was paid a huge some of money then why was I working 30 hours a week in a pub? Dont get me wrong I was looked after but not to the huge amounts you seem to think.

Secondly I think you should find out who paid for that locker room from their own pocket, I think you will find it was me. Also who built it? Myself and 2 other generous volunteers. Did the women pay for it? No. Did the women build it? No. Did they even ask if they could use it? No. They built and designed their own, so I suggest you stop spreading lies.

You show how little you know by claiming Bundy was financially hurting after I left. The year after I left they got an import (Colin) and paid the players they had quite well or atleast looked after them. So I dont see how they could have been in such a dire financial situation.

As for a dead parrot coaching the team, well now you are showing complete ignorance and a huge lack of basketball IQ. If that team was sooooo good then howcome Nello barely played for Cairns, Bam cant get a game anywhere right now, BJ and Seb barely played for Logan, Marcus didnt have a great year for Ippy, (nothing against any of them I love those guys) those guys are guys that no one else wanted and I was able to get the most out of them, if you know anything about the game then you would know that some of our success, only some might have been due to coaching. But obviously your hate for me blinds your understanding of the game.

Favourites get beaten, yeah we lost, Maroochydore were good and Warwick had a great game plan, I cant believe you would take away from their great effort just to bag me.

Oh and as for your preceived perception that the Canadian League isnt very good. I suggest you do some research. It is compareable to mid D1 schools. We lost to LSU by 15, took Oral Roberts to OT and have beaten 4 D1 schools here in the past. A team in Canada (not mine) lost to the current NCAA Champions by 4 this year. But I guess you still think yor little ABA team is where its at hey.

Im making a career from coaching, Im doing what I love, I havent even lived in Aus for 2 and a half years yet little insignificant people like yourself still choose to publicly broadcast their hate campaigns against me. Who ever you are, Im sorry I cut you at some stage, Im sorry I pissed you off or told you you werent good enough. Im sorry you are so insecure that attacking me on a website is the only way you can feel justified for any wrong doing I have done to you. Grow up and get over it, trust me you will be just fine.

So put your name to your posts from now on or if your too scared you can even contact me personally, my email is on the University of Toronto website, I wont even name you publicly if you have the guts to send me an email to get both sides of the story before you run your mouth again.

Summers.

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Where do ppl pull this stuff from? lol, Maroochydore hasn't paid anybody since '97! That's the facts of it and it ain't going to change. We had Americans play for us in 2000 (Sug Parker) and 2001 (DeMarcus Nolan) and they both paid their own way. IF Dante wants to play for the Dore, and IF Waz wants him on his team, he will playing for free. No ifs, buts or maybes. Brad Williamson, Fitz, Rowdy, Norto, Zane, Greg Blake, Mark Micallef and everyone else that has played for the Clips since '97 has received zero financial assistance. End of story. So no, Ippy wouldn't be the only team not paying anyone...
All true except the bit about Waz's team. Heard Zane is after money and will get it at Caloundra so thats probably where Waz will coach. The board at Maroochy were extremely grateful and pleased with Mick Redmans application and dedication last year when nobody else would step up and have offered and encouraged him to take the job again this year. With Mick coaching seems Stolly will play and Norton if the move back from Sydney goes through. Few experienced heads to guide the mainly ex junior content with no paid players.

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Coastal coaches are done i heard, so i dont think waz will go there, i reckon coastal would be happy to take zane though. be interesting to see where he ends up, maybe back to mackay

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All true except the bit about Waz's team. Heard Zane is after money and will get it at Caloundra so thats probably where Waz will coach. The board at Maroochy were extremely grateful and pleased with Mick Redmans application and dedication last year when nobody else would step up and have offered and encouraged him to take the job again this year. With Mick coaching seems Stolly will play and Norton if the move back from Sydney goes through. Few experienced heads to guide the mainly ex junior content with no paid players.

Stolly at Maroochy again.......................his kids play at Ippi and he coaches them I think, he lives in Ippi and from what I hear is pretty much a driving force to reestablish the force so I think that one is a bit far stretched but then again who would have thunk that Terry would be head coach (no offence).

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Think you better check your facts, the womens coach is sure on more money then what sid would ask for and regarding Brad George check your facts on his ability as a former NBl development player who would be ten times better then any guards ippy have had. And if he had a run in d-league im sure he didnt train or even play many games..


Sorry who is Brad George

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This is BJ Dakis...i know another bj as been posting so dont get me confused with him

well just wanted to back up summers in everything that hes been saying..dont know why anyone would take a shot at him...its 2008... summers has only been in the country once since then , and when he was in we picked him up and hung with him and never once did we talk about bundy's money issues or the locker room....u know why? coz it was 2 years ago... why anyone is still angry i dont know, and for what reason?

i lived with summers in bundy, and i personally saw him put every ounce of energy in him into our team...so therefor anything that he recieved, he deserved......he built that locker room from scratch and bought the things needed from his own pocket, so that we as players could have a little something extra to enjoy,....he didnt have too. no one asked him too,..but he cared about us enough to put together an awesome locker room....yeah, he dragged me along some nights to give a hand but other than that he did most of the work.. apart from that summers would always make sure he did the best for us whether its film sessions or making us go on beach runs on a sunday....we hated him for that coz we wanted free time, but now lookin back on it, he showed so much commitment and dedication for us , and put us before anything, even his own leisure time... ... if every coach was as caring and committed as that then yeah thatd b amazing...

i didnt get hardly any court time in Bundy but the lessons ive learnt from summers on and off the court since i was 17 have been with me ever since...ive always told him that if it wasnt for summers i wouldnt be playing....im thankful for the hours that summers has invested in me and yeah even riding the bench for him in 06 was for the best because i got to train with the best guys every day - marcus, todd and simo...and yeah summers was hard on us but it set me up for 07 when i finally did get time ..

but yeah i feel like an idiot writing on this thing, but im sick of people taking shots at summers and no one backing him up....
summers is the best coach ive had....and although hes a prick, hes bloody good at what he does and thats why hes where he is....

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Thanks BJ,

Its nice to know I have at least one fan out there. Unfortunately saying something nice on this board only encourages others to unleash more attacks, but thanks for backing me up man,

Summers.

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Wow, if Waz is coaching at Caloundra I guess he better hand in his resignation since he was appointed coach of the Clips last week. You're obviously not from Maroochy... just the typical tool trying to start rumours, so best of luck with that. Actually, it sounds fun, I'm gonna join in, here's some rumours I have heard.

Cairns - Nathan Jawai is coming back to play and is bringing back with him Jason Kapono.

Townsville - Kelvin is coming back, Egan will play too, Brendan Teys has been recruited by the Crocs and will play for the Heat next year.

Mackay - Deba, Fitz, Tovey, Miles, Oriad, Broom and Chris Cedar will all play for Mackay. Zane has left Mackay and will play for Toowoomba

Rocky - Will start Rhys, Glenn Scott, Weigh, McDade and Kingma.

Gladstone - Blair Smith is calling on his connections and has recruited Greg Blake and Ray Gordon to play for the Power, as well as Frank Norton to play up front with Smith.

Bundaberg - Luke Cann will be back, and they will have Cam T. They have 2 import slots which they will likely will with C.J Massingale from Knox and Dusty Rychart. Lefty and Kelvin Muspratt will also play for the Bulls.

Caloundra - Same core as last year with Jett coming back, plus Saunders coming back. Heard Lloyd Lewis may also play for the Suns.

Maroochydore - Brad Williamson will fly down from Townsville every weekend to play for the Clips with his friend James Rowden.

Brisbane - Daisy Ryan has convinced Mick Hill to play for the Caps as well as Tim Coenradd when he returns from college.

Wizards - Dante has left the Wizards to play SEABL

Gold Coast - Tyson Demos will play QBL, as will Darragh, Gurney and Aucoin, and Behrendoff will return to the Goldy to play the 5

South West - Same team as last year but without Teys, and they have got frontcourt help with Cameron Rigby playing for the Pirates working as development officer

Ipswich - Stolly sticking around to play a big, Smith and Jefferies still there and Terry is bringing back locals Pete Issitt, Matthew Bemi-Morrisson and Chris Clarkson.

Toowoomba - Lost Gurney, gained Zane, Thalo and Tommy Ammar.

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Wow, if Waz is coaching at Caloundra I guess he better hand in his resignation since he was appointed coach of the Clips last week. You're obviously not from Maroochy... just the typical tool trying to start rumours, so best of luck with that. Actually, it sounds fun, I'm gonna join in, here's some rumours I have heard.

Cairns - Nathan Jawai is coming back to play and is bringing back with him Jason Kapono.

Townsville - Kelvin is coming back, Egan will play too, Brendan Teys has been recruited by the Crocs and will play for the Heat next year.

Mackay - Deba, Fitz, Tovey, Miles, Oriad, Broom and Chris Cedar will all play for Mackay. Zane has left Mackay and will play for Toowoomba

Rocky - Will start Rhys, Glenn Scott, Weigh, McDade and Kingma.

Gladstone - Blair Smith is calling on his connections and has recruited Greg Blake and Ray Gordon to play for the Power, as well as Frank Norton to play up front with Smith.

Bundaberg - Luke Cann will be back, and they will have Cam T. They have 2 import slots which they will likely will with C.J Massingale from Knox and Dusty Rychart. Lefty and Kelvin Muspratt will also play for the Bulls.

Caloundra - Same core as last year with Jett coming back, plus Saunders coming back. Heard Lloyd Lewis may also play for the Suns.

Maroochydore - Brad Williamson will fly down from Townsville every weekend to play for the Clips with his friend James Rowden.

Brisbane - Daisy Ryan has convinced Mick Hill to play for the Caps as well as Tim Coenradd when he returns from college.

Wizards - Dante has left the Wizards to play SEABL

Gold Coast - Tyson Demos will play QBL, as will Darragh, Gurney and Aucoin, and Behrendoff will return to the Goldy to play the 5

South West - Same team as last year but without Teys, and they have got frontcourt help with Cameron Rigby playing for the Pirates working as development officer

Ipswich - Stolly sticking around to play a big, Smith and Jefferies still there and Terry is bringing back locals Pete Issitt, Matthew Bemi-Morrisson and Chris Clarkson.

Toowoomba - Lost Gurney, gained Zane, Thalo and Tommy Ammar.

Is it Aprils Fools day already??

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since one Bundy import is Matt Hansen, I would say it is a joke.

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since one Bundy import is Matt Hansen, I would say it is a joke.

yea u must be the brains in the family cos thats the only reason i can see its a joke too...

about time there was some humour back on the board although we all know that Rocky cant afford Kingma with the extra security an bullet proof uniform they would have to make him for when he played Gladstone :)

with rosters like this QBL will def be "the premier winter league" but unfortunately doesnt look like there's going to be enough balls for Mackay again next season...

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Summers was never a problem in Bundy. The problem has always been the old dinosaurs who run the show and are happy to pay for talent to come in, with a blatant disregard for developing any junior talent.

I for one hope V-Dogg gets the chance to stay there for awhile. He is a reputable junior coach, and I think he has what it takes to get kids interested in basketball, and in turn start to get the ball rolling with a few rep Bulls rep sides.

Also, are any old Hervey Bay blokes still floating around that are keen for a game. There used to be at least 2-3 handy players from that side who still live in the area. Wouldn't set the league on fire by any means, but would at least prove handy for spot minutes off the bench, and I guess they could be classed as 'locals'.

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Looks as though Townsville and Rob Rose will have a genuine crack at a title this season.
The Heat are looking to bring in Cameron Tovey and Daniel Egan providing Michael Cedar remains under the restricted player line. He is border line at the moment. With the Cedar brother's in the back court and Egan and Tovey as the forward's the team looks nice. Big Steve Costanzo and Matt Rees to share the pivot duties with Brendon McCully, Tim Durox, Michael Pappalardo and the like off the bench they seem a firepower.

Also, expect Cairns to be again a force. Dwayne Vale and Matt Smith will need to prove themselves again after injuries and bad form hampered / hampering their NBL season's. Dean Brebner should be around, Kerry Williams will man the point and don't discount Aaron Grabau making a comeback to prove he still is worthy of another NBL contract. Intersting to see whether Scott Cook remains in Cairns for the ABA season.

Mackay seem to be trying to load up again however, there is one problem. The Coach ! John Fitzgerald is a star and the other guys he is looking to bring in are also but with Leonard only worried about himself and his star's the future is not overally great in Mack-Town. However, expect them to compete with Fitzgerald, Meehl*, Kruger, Pierce*, Rasmussen and George* back again.

Rockhampton will lose the servies of wily wingman Ben Thompson yet seem to be still a dominant squad if they retain Stephen Weigh (The Cats really love their guys to play ABA in Perth), Rhys Martin and either bring in two new imports or retain the two bull's they had this season.

All four Northern teams are for real but expect Cairns and Townsville to streak ahead in my humble opinion...

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....Rhys Martin and either bring in two new imports or retain the two bull's they had this season..

I know there was talk of extending the cutoff for an NBL player to be restricted to 24 minutes (could just be SEABL ?) but if the current rule stands then Rhys is currently averaging more than 16 minutes a game and would therefore have to take one of the restricted spots.

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The coach is definitely not the problem in Mackay. The only problem was Fitzgeralds injury, which happens.