QBL 2009 - The Finals

[Michael]

Saturday 8th August - Home team First

8:00 Rockhampton v Mackay

7:00 Brisbane v Northside

7:00 Gold Coast v South West


Btw, Gibbo is back for Northside

[Michael]

Rockhampton over Mackay - In Overtime, by 2

Northside over Brisbane - In Overtime, by 3

Gold Coast over South West by 6

A great week of games

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are the boomers coming home early??

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how can gibbo play 4 games and qualify ?????

[Mr bEn]

Btw, Gibbo is back for Northside

News to me. If the Wiz make the semi-finals he is expected back then.


And don't forget the women.

FRIDAY
Gladstone @ Rockhampton


SATURDAY
Maroochydore @ Coastal/Caboolture/Caloundra

Gold Coast @ South West

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In the girls games my predictions are.

Rocky over Gladstone by 10. No Hurst for the Power girls with Opals committments so Bibby will need to drop 50 for them to win in Rocky.

Caboolture to beat Maroochy. These 2 teams always play tight games. As long as Cabooltures import comes ready to play I will go with them by 6.

South West over Gold Coast by over 10. South West seem to be building momentum at right time of season and win over Gladdy last weekend convinces me they should win this one easy.

These results would lead to semi finals of Townsville v South West and Rocky v Caboolture. If it worls out this way it would leave 3 out of the 4 teams being the same semi finalists as last year with Rocky replacing Mackay.

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Great year of ball, just unfortunate that 3 of top 8 mens teams won't contest finals but teams at the bottom half of ladder will? Pity

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Force earns praise in facing Capitals (http://www.qt.com.au/story/2009/08/04/force-earns-praise-in-facing-capitals/)

IT WASN'T the fairytale victory the Ipswich Force had dreamed of, but an admirable performance against one of the QBL's premier teams has lifted spirits ahead of next season.

“Our only goal at the start of the year was to win more games than last year,” Force forward/centre Steven Broom said.

“We only beat that by one, but it's a step in the right direction.”

Another positive is the former Townsville Crocodiles squad member declaring his intention to suit up next year.

“I hope to stay around, if I'm wanted,” he said.


Mountaineers look to salvage positives (http://www.thechronicle.com.au/story/2009/08/04/mountaineers-look-salvage-positives-horror/)

TOOWOOMBA Mountaineers coaching staff are determined to take something positive from the club’s dismal season.

“I don’t think it will be too long before we’re announcing some player signings.”

[Michael]

News to me. If the Wiz make the semi-finals he is expected back then.


And don't forget the women.

FRIDAY
Gladstone @ Rockhampton


SATURDAY
Maroochydore @ Coastal/Caboolture/Caloundra

Gold Coast @ South West

I heard he is back, also, he qualifies cause international duty counts as played

[2 cents]

Wow you rocky fans are dedicated.. apparently you all went out an ordered tickets 9am sunday morning after hearing power gals lost on Saturday nite which meant the game was "apparently" sold out by 10am an Gladstone fans wouldn't of been able to get any tickets or at least the % we were supposed to get.. i'll give it to ya tho i'm impressed you do know how to make money...

lucky for us your understanding an put the game on Friday nite which means that Nat can play before she flys out to Opals camp... so it'l be nice for the gals to beat you in your own stadium again...

and i've said it before but i'll reiterate that im predicting a Tville Gladstone final..

GO POWER

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Wow you rocky fans are dedicated.. apparently you all went out an ordered tickets 9am sunday morning after hearing power gals lost on Saturday nite which meant the game was "apparently" sold out by 10am an Gladstone fans wouldn't of been able to get any tickets or at least the % we were supposed to get.. i'll give it to ya tho i'm impressed you do know how to make money...

lucky for us your understanding an put the game on Friday nite which means that Nat can play before she flys out to Opals camp... so it'l be nice for the gals to beat you in your own stadium again...

and i've said it before but i'll reiterate that im predicting a Tville Gladstone final..

GO POWERNAGAS, YOU ARE SUCH A DICKHEAD!!!

[darkjedi]

NAGAS, YOU ARE SUCH A DICKHEAD!!!

At least have the guts to name yourself if you're going to throw insults around. Although tell me - How is the Accountancy gig in Mackay these days?

[Mr bEn]

I heard he is back

Unless Gibbo is leaving the South America tour early, he won't be back this weekend ....

[CRACK]

At least have the guts to name yourself if you're going to throw insults around. Although tell me - How is the Accountancy gig in Mackay these days?

hahahaha.... caught out chump.

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Who is it?????

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http://www.qt.com.au/story/2009/08/05/jeffries-shoots-for-pro/

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rhys martin signs with Hawks

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/news/local/sport/basketball/hawks-roster-boosted-to-eight-players/1586779.aspx

[BJ]

rhys martin signs with Hawks

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/news/local/sport/basketball/hawks-roster-boosted-to-eight-players/1586779.aspx

That's great news for Rhys. I hope he goes well with extended PT.

Anyone with inside info on how Timmy Coenradd is going? I know nothing, but given the Rhys/Trigger connection would've thought the Hawks would be looking at him as well.

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Wow you rocky fans are dedicated.. apparently you all went out an ordered tickets 9am sunday morning after hearing power gals lost on Saturday nite which meant the game was "apparently" sold out by 10am an Gladstone fans wouldn't of been able to get any tickets or at least the % we were supposed to get.. i'll give it to ya tho i'm impressed you do know how to make money...

lucky for us your understanding an put the game on Friday nite which means that Nat can play before she flys out to Opals camp... so it'l be nice for the gals to beat you in your own stadium again...

and i've said it before but i'll reiterate that im predicting a Tville Gladstone final..

GO POWER


Would Hurst be allowed to play, that is the question, i mean if she flys out not long after wouldn't the risk of injury be to great for her to play the quarter?

[2 cents]

if you know the how competitive Nat n Jess are you would know thats a silly question to ask if she's allowed to play.. there's a risk of injury all season why would you play hard all year to win then opt out when the reward is so close..

Go the Power

[The Trailer]

That's great news for Rhys. I hope he goes well with extended PT.

Anyone with inside info on how Timmy Coenradd is going? I know nothing, but given the Rhys/Trigger connection would've thought the Hawks would be looking at him as well.

Tim C gone to hawks to try out for one of the last spots, hope he gets its.JD went with them as well might have 3 possible players from northside with NBL contracts.

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Tim C gone to hawks to try out for one of the last spots, hope he gets its.JD went with them as well might have 3 possible players from northside with NBL contracts.

You mean 4?

Tragardh, Conraad, Gibson and Darragh

[Omni]

hahahahahaha, jd? Anyway all kidding aside, thank god Rhys got a spot for this coming year! Stoked Rhys got ahead of Joycey, get that into ya Joycey! lol, but it's bad enough Vale gets a spot ahead of guys like Cook and Fitz, don't start talking about JD as well hahaha thats ridiculous. Lookin forward to Caps vs Wiz sat night, c'mon Caps send the Wiz packin in the quarters for the 3rd straight year, should be a ripper!

[landy]

Girls game on Frid nite in Rocky will be livestreamed, as will men on Sat nite

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You mean 4?

Tragardh, Conraad, Gibson and Darragh

darragh won't be signed. he is just along to work out with the hawks. there are no spots open for him.
TC in the running as a possible back-up 2

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hahahahahaha, jd? Anyway all kidding aside, thank god Rhys got a spot for this coming year! Stoked Rhys got ahead of Joycey, get that into ya Joycey! lol, but it's bad enough Vale gets a spot ahead of guys like Cook and Fitz, don't start talking about JD as well hahaha thats ridiculous. Lookin forward to Caps vs Wiz sat night, c'mon Caps send the Wiz packin in the quarters for the 3rd straight year, should be a ripper!

with the hate coming from omni about vale i was just wondering if omni put the hard word on vale at some time and got knocked back for being a dumb arse/ or for not knowing squat about how the sport is played. on second thoughts is it because vale is a better player than omni and poor old omni gets its arse kicked on the court.

[Michael]

I think the Brisbane Northside game will have some great overtime periods.
Landy, are they doing courtlive? or just at rocky.


Northside :)

[landy]

I think the Brisbane Northside game will have some great overtime periods.
Landy, are they doing courtlive? or just at rocky.


Northside :)

I think it will be a great game too, if it's not live we will try to have it VOD for next day.

[Michael]

Ok.

Grand Final?

Who?

[2 cents]

Cairns v Mackay

or

Cairns v Rocky

[Michael]

How do the Meteors enter Hegvold Stadium in a positive frame of mind with the knowledge that the Rockets have not been beaten at home since July 2006 (they lost to the Townsville Heat 99-110)? They have a 2-1 split on them this season which is what the Meteors need to exploit if they stand to break the home winning streak that the Rockets are on. After clawing back from a 19pt deficit 7 minutes into the Marlins game in Round 15, the Rockets will be somewhat happy with the end margin (86-89). This type of hit-out leading into a Quarter Final will be priceless and has the defending State Champ’s ready to rock. With that said the Rockets don’t match up that well to the Meteors. Blanchfield worked his way into an NBL contract this year and if Fitzgerald and Cook find their mark early then this game will go down to the wire. Mackay carry the 2-1 edge but how far can this carry them in a stadium where you are almost doomed for failure.
Brisbane Capitals v Northside Wizards, Sat 8th Aug @ 7pm (Vince Hickey Stadium Basketball)-

We are down to the exact same scenario that occurred in 2008. Wizards and Capitals go head-to-head with the winner moving onto Cairns next week for the Semi Finals where they will face the winner of the Rocky v Mackay game. It was the Capitals who just managed a 106-103 win in ’08 before they were stopped in their tracks by the Rockets in a Semi (96-85). The Capitals are backed by experience and the League’s most efficient shooter – David Bartholomeaus with 63.4% from the field in ’09. The Wizards won’t be suiting up Boomer Adam Gibson and will rely on Cam Tragardh to hit his averages – 42ppg, 13rpg, 3apg. Tim Coenraad struggled for efficiency last week (33%) and will need to come out a blazing to keep this home team at bay. The Capitals managed a 6pt and 8pt margin on the two occasions they met this year and will carry this mental edge into the game. As they say, three strikes and you’re out!

Gold Coast Goannas v South West Metro Pirates, Sat 8th Aug @ 7pm (Tallebudgera Leisure Centre)-

The Goannas finished 4th in their pool in 2008 as a result of a countback between Logan and Toowoomba (all finished on 10 and 8). This year under new Coach Ron Radliffe they have managed to keep up the required workload in the weakest of all the QBL pools to secure a home Quarter Final. The balance in this game lies in the hands of Gurney and McGregor who have been troopers all year. Gurney can call himself the League’s strongest free throw shooter (91.9%) and his move from Toowoomba to the Gold Coast this year has been an incredibly smooth transition. The Pirates storm into this weekend on a 5-game winning streak and ready for a weekend in Cairns. They raced thru both games in Round 15 with Teys, Cameron, Ammar and Niesler building momentum at the right time of year. Their mid-season woes are behind them and they desperately want another Semi Final berth.

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Power beats the Cyclones (http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/story/2009/08/08/natalie-beats-the-cyclones/)

THE dream is over for a Hog's Breath Cafe Cyclones team that put in a good show but was beaten by a better team on the night.

The Cyclones demise could be summed up in two words - Natalie Hurst.

more...

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Anyone got a score from the Coastal and Maroochy womens game. Live stats didn't work

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Anyone got a score or who won from the south west goldy ladies game???

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Anyone got a score or who won from the south west goldy ladies game???

South West by 1 pt - awesome game

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Rockhampton over Mackay - In Overtime, by 2

Northside over Brisbane - In Overtime, by 3

Gold Coast over South West by 6

A great week of games

Remind me to place bets against you

[Mr bEn]

Caps beat Wizards 108-94.

All Wizards in the first quarter, leading by as much as 19.

Halftime 58-50 to Wiz. Trigger was unstoppable and had 25 & 10 at that stage.

Ben Castle turned back the clock in the third and put on a vintage performance. took the job on Trigs and locked him down to 4 &1, whilst bombing away from outside himself. 41-19 period had the Caps well in front at the last change.

More Castle magic in the last quarter. Caps generally remained in the lead by 10-12 and the Wiz couldn't bring it back.

Benny was Brisbane's best. Latts was a great x factor and co-contributor. Beaky, Shaw and Barty all good spot performances.

Wiz led by Trigger. SD & JD went ok. Timmy C had a quiet night by his standards and fouled out late in the fourth. He probably had play of the game with a great swat against the glass on a breakaway layup by Braden (I think).

[The Pretender]

Well done to Goldy, Brisbane and Rocky for all making it to the semis. Rocky vs Bris should be a cracker. As for the Wizards, 3 years in a row choking in the first round? And to think they were the talk of the town at the start of the season...

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Well done to Goldy, Brisbane and Rocky for all making it to the semis. Rocky vs Bris should be a cracker. As for the Wizards, 3 years in a row choking in the first round? And to think they were the talk of the town at the start of the season...

South West beat Gold Coast by 10

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Anyone got a score from the Coastal and Maroochy womens game. Live stats didn't work

Coastal won by 8

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Well done to Goldy, Brisbane and Rocky for all making it to the semis. Rocky vs Bris should be a cracker. As for the Wizards, 3 years in a row choking in the first round? And to think they were the talk of the town at the start of the season...

In the beginning of the season some people made comment about Dante may have missed his chance at a ring, well Northside did as well.
Maybe the Wiz should have kept Dante, he may be a head case to some but the boy can play.
I agree they did lose with him as well but I think with adding Timmy C and darragh coming of the bench. maybe, who knows?
what will they do now?
Money was possibly well spent but no ring to show.

Thats just my personal opinion.
Hate it or love it!

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Congrats to refs for a top class performance tonite. Always had game, Kruger & Aucoin under total control. Don't think one charge called with flops not being rewarded.

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Congrats to refs for a top class performance tonite. Always had game, Kruger & Aucoin under total control. Don't think one charge called with flops not being rewarded.

Thanks for saving me the time to look up who owon the game. Obvioulsy Rocky won, because we all know what the locals say when they lose!

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I love it how everyone loves to bag Rocky. If memory serves me correctly i remember in preseason talks, noone put Rocky up there cause it was a new team. All i heard was talk of northside, brisbane, mackay and southwest. Surely now there are some haters that have changed their tune. As mike tyson would say "you might not love me but you respect me".

[Pirates fan]

Great game down the coast - pirates dominated early, goldy fought back, then an absolute shoot out in the 2nd half - great to watch for the fans.

Pirates 3rd consec. year in final 4.

Pretty impressive not spending a dime on their roster and really have put together a home grown group.

Good luck in cairns men and up north for the ladies!!

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Great game down the coast - pirates dominated early, goldy fought back, then an absolute shoot out in the 2nd half - great to watch for the fans.

Pirates 3rd consec. year in final 4.

Pretty impressive not spending a dime on their roster and really have put together a home grown group.

Good luck in cairns men and up north for the ladies!!

yeah third straight year in final 4. but it is a joke name one half decent team besides gold coast if you would call the half decent that south west has beaten. the answer is no-one. northside and coastal and all the northern teams pumped south west.

[The Trailer]

Great game down the coast - pirates dominated early, goldy fought back, then an absolute shoot out in the 2nd half - great to watch for the fans.

Pirates 3rd consec. year in final 4.

Pretty impressive not spending a dime on their roster and really have put together a home grown group.

Good luck in cairns men and up north for the ladies!!

Why would you spend money in the weakest pool a good gbl team would make the final 4 in that pool.Stop pulling your own flute and put together a competetive team to take on the northern pools.

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In the beginning of the season some people made comment about Dante may have missed his chance at a ring, well Northside did as well.
Maybe the Wiz should have kept Dante, he may be a head case to some but the boy can play.
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Dante's only chance at a ring is in a team so laden with talent that they can compensate for his crap. Never seen Dante make any team or team mate better. It's about Dante after all. Dantes best career path would be in the 2 on 2 street ball pick up games in the playgrounds of west L.A. aka "white men cant jump". Just my opinion, like it or hate it.

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Coastal won by 8
Too bad! The Clippers girls shorts look the best and thats all that matters!
Hey, has that ref from last night got issues with Maroochy basketball or just certain select people from week to week? Not the one who ran around sucking his whistle looking like he was wondering what the hell was going on out there but the one who sent Gianni off a couple of weeks back. Courtney Brown was his target last night. he started on Dallas but when Courtney's youthful impetuosity caused her to actually question a ridiculous decision the point of attack quickly shifted. Seems a bit of a family trait actually as his Dad was real proud to tell of how his boy had sent Gianni off.
Would have been interesting to see if there was a difference if the Suns centre had to observe the 3 second rule like everyone else but overall Suns were much better spaced and had much better ball movement and reversals. Kristy Williams is a standout guard in that regard. Quick as hell, precise with her passing and none too shabby from beyond the arc herself.

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havn't beaten anyone

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Great game down the coast - pirates dominated early, goldy fought back, then an absolute shoot out in the 2nd half - great to watch for the fans.

Pirates 3rd consec. year in final 4.

Pretty impressive not spending a dime on their roster and really have put together a home grown group.

Good luck in cairns men and up north for the ladies!!

yeah third straight year in final 4. but it is a joke name one half decent team besides gold coast if you would call the half decent that south west has beaten. the answer is no-one. northside and coastal and all the northern teams pumped south west.

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Well that is the pool that SW are geographically put it - do have some ideas on improving our competition in the interests of the game??? Of course not - sorry your team is done for 09 goose!

I was talking about what a healthy state the program is in for local talent, but of course like alot of gooses , you want to hate on teams on your little keyboard

Just for the record -just to completely discredit you on this forum.......

"northside and coastal and all the northern teams pumped south west"
lost in OT to northside by 10
lost in coastal by 5
lost to mackay by 5

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lost to Marlins by 19, heat by 23, rocky by 28 the ones you forgot to add

[The Trailer]

Lets have a pole on how much SW will lose by on the weekend, i reckond 27 popints

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south west are great they won the pool of ease something clippers bulls wizards suns power heat actually anyone but gc neers n ippy could do. Enjoy the free trip to cairns boys.. I got them getting dusted by 50+

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http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/media/img/news/2009/08/09/rockets09a_t325.jpg

Rockets scorch home (http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/story/2009/08/10/rockets-scorch-home/)

THE Rockets fly to Cairns on Thursday with the Brisbane Capitals the first target.

Hegvold Stadium went wild on Saturday night as stamping, cheering fans celebrated a notable victory for the Rockhampton Stadium Nightclub Rockets over a shell-shocked Mackay Meteors.


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Meteors crash out (http://www.dailymercury.com.au/story/2009/08/10/Mackay-Meteors-QBL/)

UNABLE to recover from a horror first quarter, the Mackay Meteors' stellar season came to an abrupt halt on Saturday night when they were bundled out of the finals by the Rockhampton Rockets.


Marlins face sudden death (http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/08/10/57061_local-sport-news.html)

MARLINS forward Dean Brebner says Cairns' domination of the Queensland Basketball League fixture season will count for little when it takes the court in this weekend's finals series.

[Dunc]

Caps beat Wizards 108-94.

All Wizards in the first quarter, leading by as much as 19.

Halftime 58-50 to Wiz. Trigger was unstoppable and had 25 & 10 at that stage.

Ben Castle turned back the clock in the third and put on a vintage performance. took the job on Trigs and locked him down to 4 &1, whilst bombing away from outside himself. 41-19 period had the Caps well in front at the last change.

More Castle magic in the last quarter. Caps generally remained in the lead by 10-12 and the Wiz couldn't bring it back.

Benny was Brisbane's best. Latts was a great x factor and co-contributor. Beaky, Shaw and Barty all good spot performances.

Wiz led by Trigger. SD & JD went ok. Timmy C had a quiet night by his standards and fouled out late in the fourth. He probably had play of the game with a great swat against the glass on a breakaway layup by Braden (I think).


Very well said Ben, just to add onto that though I thought Braden's game was fantastic! As good as Smith and Shaw are when Braden was running the point they looked far more structured and controlled and he made some big shots living up to his nickname 'the factor'. Also thought it was funny that Kevvy came on with 12 seconds left in the 3rd, I thought it was just to make sure Castle didn't get another foul. He plays the next 7 minutes making a big jump shot, getting a key steal, some keys boards/tips and guarding Cam. Wish I had been to watch the Caps play more this year they are great to watch and play the game the way it's meant to be played. Hope they can cause an upset next weekend..

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There's no doubt that South West played below expectations overall this season but they seem to have gotten it together a bit lately and shouldn't be losing by 50 next week. As long as SW keep fighting then they're in with a chance to keep it close(ish) as Cairns try to take their foot off the accelerator to save themselves for the next day.

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Very well said Ben, just to add onto that though I thought Braden's game was fantastic! As good as Smith and Shaw are when Braden was running the point they looked far more structured and controlled and he made some big shots living up to his nickname 'the factor'. Also thought it was funny that Kevvy came on with 12 seconds left in the 3rd, I thought it was just to make sure Castle didn't get another foul. He plays the next 7 minutes making a big jump shot, getting a key steal, some keys boards/tips and guarding Cam. Wish I had been to watch the Caps play more this year they are great to watch and play the game the way it's meant to be played. Hope they can cause an upset next weekend..

brisbane showed some great resolve to get back into the game and dale coached well but the wizards ran a shallow bench let the comeback come too close before a timeout and allowed jd not too shot his shots which allowed alot of defensive hedging by his defender.brisbane will have to start better this week but they are a real chance.

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can someone please tell me how on earth that the lady ref from maroochy got the brisbane v. northside mens game?

surely there are better refs than her around?

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can someone please tell me how on earth that the lady ref from maroochy got the brisbane v. northside mens game?

surely there are better refs than her around?
Fiona Allen is from Noosa and Naree is from Caloundra. Only two SunCoast women reffing QBL Mens, neither from Maroochydore.

[Boss Playa]

Fiona Allen is from Noosa and Naree is from Caloundra. Only two SunCoast women reffing QBL Mens, neither from Maroochydore.

Naree was attached to Maroochydore for a long time before moving down to Brisbane. Has never had anything to do with Caloundra.

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whereever she is from, shes a nice lady, i'm just very surprised she was given a finals mens game. she didnt change the game or anything, i just dont think shes good at that level. Shes a good juniors ref, and would be good for younger refs to be taught be her.

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Not the best ref crews on for the semi finals either according to the draw, Good Luck all.

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Naree was attached to Maroochydore for a long time before moving down to Brisbane. Has never had anything to do with Caloundra.
Most recently played and reffed at Caloundra.

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2 refs in Rocky for the womens game were pretty good started out a little shaky prob due to the nerves as the Gladstone crowd were in full effect and made Cylcones fans look like pretty tame.

there's going to be a another good crowd up in townsville to get the Power girls the state championship and make Port City Power history beating the Flames on Saturday night.

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Flames live wire Kelsey Rutland most likely not playing this weekend. Had a car accident today. Big loss for Towns. Hope she is OK

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With all the focus on the men's games so far let's take some time out to consider the fairer sex.

Semi No 1 - Townsville v South West

In their match up during the regular season the Flames got up narrowly. The Flames were without Page & Brassard that night so I wouldn't read too much into the result. This game however was the starting point for a great back end of the season for Scanlon for the Pirates. In this replay of last years grand final I see the same result but a lot closer game. Only doubt is how this less experienced Townsville team will handle the home finals pressure.

Semi No 2 - Gladstone v Coastal

Gladdy beat the Suns a couple of weeks ago without Hurst so with her in the line-up this weekend this should be a comfortable win. The Suns have won a lot of games this year by sagging off on D and relying on other teams missing outside shots. This is not a gameplan that will work against a team that shoots like Gladdy does.

Grand Final - Townsville v Gladstone

Page v Hurst
Dalgleish v Neves
Smith v Bibby
Edgar v Rose
Brassard v Beatson

2 very different game plans with the run and gun Gladdy taking on the more controlled and methodical Townsville. Kind of like Phoenix v San Antonio in the NBA. For mine the starting line-ups are pretty even and I will give the nod to Townsville because I think their bench options are better than Gladstones. Although Townsville won both regular season games the first time Smith, Brassard, Neves and Rose were missing. The second time Hurst was missing. Should be a great and deserving final for both teams as they have been the standout teams all year in the ways they have handled any injury or unavailabilities throughout the year

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Too bad! The Clippers girls shorts look the best and thats all that matters!
Hey, has that ref from last night got issues with Maroochy basketball or just certain select people from week to week? Not the one who ran around sucking his whistle looking like he was wondering what the hell was going on out there but the one who sent Gianni off a couple of weeks back. Courtney Brown was his target last night. he started on Dallas but when Courtney's youthful impetuosity caused her to actually question a ridiculous decision the point of attack quickly shifted. Seems a bit of a family trait actually as his Dad was real proud to tell of how his boy had sent Gianni off.
Would have been interesting to see if there was a difference if the Suns centre had to observe the 3 second rule like everyone else but overall Suns were much better spaced and had much better ball movement and reversals. Kristy Williams is a standout guard in that regard. Quick as hell, precise with her passing and none too shabby from beyond the arc herself.


Turn it up, Kirsty got 3 quick fouls for reaching and body contact (illegal body contact), Courtney got a charge then turn around and swore at the ref, so pretty sure that consitutes a tech. The clippers got beat fair and square, don't try blame the refs for their loss. The only thing you got right in that post was that Kristy Williams is a great player.

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Turn it up, Kirsty got 3 quick fouls for reaching and body contact (illegal body contact), Courtney got a charge then turn around and swore at the ref, so pretty sure that consitutes a tech. The clippers got beat fair and square, don't try blame the refs for their loss. The only thing you got right in that post was that Kristy Williams is a great player.
What? You saying the Suns didnt space better offensively and execute the ball reversal to find the open shooters better? Surely you arent saying the Lady Clips shorts arent better looking ?!!!

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What? You saying the Suns didnt space better offensively and execute the ball reversal to find the open shooters better? Surely you arent saying the Lady Clips shorts arent better looking ?!!!

Touche... You are correct the Suns did have better spacing and ball movement. Oh and i'm definitely not saying that their shorts are better looking, i am not sure who decided on getting them, but i hope they are incharge of uniforms next year :p

[The Trailer]

Cairns to win comp but my dark horse is brisbane

[2 cents]

Surely you arent saying the Lady Clips shorts arent better looking ?!!![/QUOTE]

i think whoever ordered the gals shorts should be in charge of a state wide roll out of uniforms.. can only do wonders for our sport haha..

[CRACK]

Surely you arent saying the Lady Clips shorts arent better looking ?!!!

i think whoever ordered the gals shorts should be in charge of a state wide roll out of uniforms.. can only do wonders for our sport haha..[/QUOTE]

bring back those body suits!!!!

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Surely you arent saying the Lady Clips shorts arent better looking ?!!!

i think whoever ordered the gals shorts should be in charge of a state wide roll out of uniforms.. can only do wonders for our sport haha..[/QUOTE]
Thats blatantly sexist!!!....(but a pretty good thought)
on 'ya Beryl!

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Is Nat Hurst available for this weekend with Opals commitments?

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Is Nat Hurst available for this weekend with Opals commitments?

Hurst is definitely playing

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Eyes on the big prize (http://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/story/2009/08/13/eyes-on-the-big-prize/)

Bibby said despite winning against the Suns previously without Opal Natalie Hurt, the team was not taking tomorrow's match lightly in any regards.

“Nat has just come back from a week-long Opals camp and will be tired, so it will require everyone stepping up on the night,” she said.

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Rockets shoot for basketball history (http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/story/2009/08/14/rockets-shoot-for-basketball-history-in-cairns/)

ROCKETS coach Neal Tweedy yesterday declared there would be no excuses in Cairns this weekend as his team shoots for a history-making win on the road.

Tweedy's men are looking to become the first Rockets team to clinch back-to-back QBL state championships.


Suns out to shutdown top scorers (http://www.thedaily.com.au/news/2009/aug/14/suns-out-shutdown-top-scorers/)

Suns coach Paul Saltmarsh said his players would have to focus on combating the “pure shooter” mentality of the Gladstone team to beat them tonight and book a place in the QBL grand final.

“We’ve just got to shut down Jessica Bibby and Diana Neves and shut down their scoring capabilities.”


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Townsville Flames eye QBL title (http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2009/08/14/71455_sport.html)

A VICTORY tonight would put Townsville Flames on the right track for their third consecutive state title when they meet South West Metro Pirates in the QBL semi-final at NPA stadium.

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South West by 1 pt - awesome game

I'm a Pirate,we won, which is good...But by NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO stretch was it an awesome game. Quite possibly the worst game of basketball, able bodied or not, that anyone has ever taken part in. Simply a case of being the least worse on the day.

[Rubbish if true]

This may not be true but if so very very wrong.

I am told that the two mens team that lose tonight in Cairns are expected to pay $25 each to get in tomorrow night for Grand final.

It has always been the standard that the teams are allocated 15 passes each for Grand final.

If this is wrong info I apologise but if true shame shame shame.

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Hey Landy, are the Semi's and GF being shown on Courtlive??

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Hey Landy, are the Semi's and GF being shown on Courtlive??

It's ok answered my own question, but I see you have to pay for membership and register on the site now.

[landy]

Yes the mens games will be livestreamed tonite and tomorrow,there is a cost of $5 per game and you can watch all VOD including videos of finals for one week for that $5, cheap considering you have had a whole season for free! Website is only up today, they are still working on small issues, any ques you can call through the contact page, or e-mail. Basically, we got ripped off big time with the web designers and had to start from scratch a few weeks ago, so it wil be there next season if we have demand to do QABL games. Happy watching!

[world]

a couple of questions....why have a charge to watch the finals? It seems a little weird that there is now a charge to watch a streamlined game. Secondly, let's say i pay to watch the games, does that mean that there won't be a fault in streaming the game...i don't want to pay $5 if something happens and the game is showed the next day. I am in no way trying to have a go at you...just a wondering viewer.

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Where are all the games from the regular season that used to be up there for free?

[Unregistered]

i paid to watch the games and now i go to the website saying that because of payment difficulties there wont be a charge.....i paid $5 for nothing?

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is the stream start stopping for everyone else?

[Fly]

yes, altho we got a long look at the chick near the door at half time

[world]

I wish i could quote from my comment in the Awards & afterthoughts section...it said
Rocky to win by 18 Vs. Brisbane
Cairns to win by 24 Vs. SW
Rocky to win by 8 vs Cairns...

Some haters telling me i was giving no respect for Brisbane..... :lol2:

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just went on live stats

womens semi 1
townsville 77 lost to southwest 82

mens semi 1

rockhampton 91 beat brisbane 73

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I wish i could quote from my comment in the Awards & afterthoughts section...it said
Rocky to win by 18 Vs. Brisbane
Cairns to win by 24 Vs. SW
Rocky to win by 8 vs Cairns...

Some haters telling me i was giving no respect for Brisbane..... :lol2:

well you were spot on rocky by 18 91-73

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yes, altho we got a long look at the chick near the door at half time

Which wasn't too bad haha :)

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Why don;t you marry yourself, faggot

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Yes the mens games will be livestreamed tonite and tomorrow,there is a cost of $5 per game and you can watch all VOD including videos of finals for one week for that $5, cheap considering you have had a whole season for free! Website is only up today, they are still working on small issues, any ques you can call through the contact page, or e-mail. Basically, we got ripped off big time with the web designers and had to start from scratch a few weeks ago, so it wil be there next season if we have demand to do QABL games. Happy watching!

Hey Landy I know it's not QBL but will courtlive still show the National League Wheelchair Bball game between Brisbane Spinning Bullets and the Roller Hawks tomorrow night? If so you got a link?

[world]

Why don;t you marry yourself, faggot

I think i will. and if you've said that out of anger i have one more thing to say....18 POINTS..stick that into your twisted heathen of a mind....:wstupid:

[BJ]

is the stream start stopping for everyone else?

Yes it is, as always.

But don't worry, landy will come on here and say that it's your fault and your fault only.

In reality, you need to own the internet before you'll ever have a fast enough internet speed to watch the game without interuption.

Good luck getting anyone to pay for a sub-par service I say.

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semi final 2 updates

carins lead sth west 80-46 2:20 3rd


gladstone v caboolture 81-81 end of 4th

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womens semi 2

93-93 double ot caboolture traci edwards 33 pts 19 rbs monster game


mens game carins have it won up 102-62 6:33 4th

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womens semi 2

galdstone beat caboolture 108-95 in double ot

womens final

gladstone versus south west

mens game froze at carins up 102-62 with 6 to go

final will be

carins v rockhampton

[Fly]

108 95 in the end of double OT

oh and the 2nd game was stoppage free (the stream anyway) i guess all teh ppl in cairns who wanted to watch were there. so maybe i was on my own watching it.

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game tomorrow night will be painful to watch :(

[world]

Rocky will win by 8......gonna be a great game :party:

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Rocky will win by 8......gonna be a great game :party:

I'd be happy with a win by 1 :P hope stream works well

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Marlins all the way!!!

[Hollywood G]

Rockets by 4 and Power to round out the double for CQ with a 18 point win over SW in the girls....

[Bill Gates]

In reality, you need to own the internet before you'll ever have a fast enough internet speed to watch the game without interuption.


Bullocks! I own the internet and not even I can get a reliable feed from that bloody gin's camp of a service!

[BJ]

What's the word on last night's semis in Townsville?

By all report the two womens games were absolute crackers! Come on people show a bit of love.

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womens final

gladstone 88 sth west 88 end of 4th

sth west up 88-79 with 2:49 to play some big 3s by bibby and neves to force ot

[BJ]

Surprise packets South West choke on a golden chance to take home the silverware. Up by 9 with 2 and a half minutes remaining, they watched the lead dwindle and the game has now gone into OT. WOW!!!!

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2 and a hlf minute mark is not sth wests friend

in ot up 94-90 with 2:26 now down 94-99 with 1:15 to go in ot

carins up 24-6 3:13 1st

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gladstone win womens 102-98

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carins 30

rocky 13


end of 1st

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This is the finals, Grabeau, Vale, Williams and Brebner can all shoot the long ball and Rocky are sitting in the zone. If Cairns miss open shots it might pay off, but looks piss weak to me so far

[world]

good quality streaming so far! thanks for fixing up the scoreboard so it can be read :cool:

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I agree, great streaming thanks.

[world]

wow, what can i say? Bad shooting for us but fantastic shooting by Cairns. They just did not miss tonight. Congrats to Cairns and both teams for making it to the finals! Great season to watch Rocky...can't wait for next season! And overall great coverage online...it really made a difference to th fans of the game, congratulations.

[Zac]

Great comeback run by Rocky but damn Marlins got hot in the last quarter... STATE CHAMPS WOO!!!!!

[Hollywood G]

Unlucky Rocky...Cairns just too hot tonight....bring on 2010 :)

Congrats to the Power Girls...doing it in OT again!!! At least CQ got one of the titles haha

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cairns wayyyyyy to good for rocky. goes to show a good team effort will always beat a team which only revolves around a couple of players. cairns ten deep rocky only 5.

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cairns are the best team in QLD, only 1 loss for the season and 32 point winners in the final, sad to see rocky GIVE up with 3 minutes to go.

[world]

cairns wayyyyyy to good for rocky. goes to show a good team effort will always beat a team which only revolves around a couple of players. cairns ten deep rocky only 5.

cairns were rather on fire late in the fourth and it did look like Rocky let it go after closing the gap by 9. I do think though that quality of players were evenly matched, by that i mean only 6 players from each team played more than 20 mins. Congrats to cairns but they are not 10 deep...if you're gonna bag then get it right.

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cairns were rather on fire late in the fourth and it did look like Rocky let it go after closing the gap by 9. I do think though that quality of players were evenly matched, by that i mean only 6 players from each team played more than 20 mins. Congrats to cairns but they are not 10 deep...if you're gonna bag then get it right.

must be ten deep when, by half time ten players had been on. rocky had only played 7

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hi all can someone pls post a link to where i can watch tonights final. would be greatly appreciated. ty

[Hollywood G]

cairns are the best team in QLD, only 1 loss for the season and 32 point winners in the final, sad to see rocky GIVE up with 3 minutes to go.

What's wrong with Rocky giving the young guys some time in a QBL Final?

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Hats off to the South West Women's team, second year in a row they have gone to the Grand Final however unfortunate for them they have come up short both years.

Is it true that Townsville have not lost at home since 2005? (until there lost to the Pirates on the weekend)

Good for women's basketball in Queensland that this years finals was so even I thought.

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What's wrong with Rocky giving the young guys some time in a QBL Final?

if you read back a bit you would know that we were talking about how deep or lack of depth the bench's of each team are.

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Marlins in seventh heaven (http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/08/17/58551_local-sport-news.html)

THE Cairns Marlins have underlined their commitment to fostering junior talent by winning a seventh state basketball title with a team composed mainly of local players.

more...

[2 cents]

Wow what a weekend my hands are still sore from giving the walls of the Tville stadium are smashing. SW gals come ready to play last weekend they played awesome and it was a pity for Ville they didn’t have much crowd to get them home up by 10 start of the 4th qtr but last few mins SW changed the momentum and Ville just didn’t have the horses to get those crucial buckets and Sw had an answer for everything was a good game tho.

our gals played well all weekend, shooting % was not at it's best but they got the job done and hit them in the cruical times especially the 3 OT's we had to get through...

In the final seemed like SW couldn’t miss and played great D and didn’t give our gals anything easy and they are the first team to make our gals play man to man defence for the rest of the game… after SW being in the lead for most of the game the difference in the end was those 3 huge 3s by hurst bibby and Neeves with 2 an a half to go and the awesome Gladstone crowd going nuts to get the gals our 1st state title in our short history…

The after party was also cash, was good to see all the teams getting along after throwing each other around on the court and owning the Bank dance floor good times :)

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Yea great games in townsville was some of the most exiting stuff i have ever seen, and the gladstone support was awesome and it was great to see for womens basketball, was a little odd to see that the opposition teams that had no support were bitter of the gladstone crowd and the girls from caloundra especially seemed almost offended that they had no support, i think that atmosphere is what is missing in australian basketball and passionate fans that get behind thier team should be encouraged to be as crazy and as loud as possible, i only hope that the teams that were there in townsville will see the amount of love that the gladstone supporters have for their team and carry a little bit of that passion back to thier clubs instead if being angry and bitter that they had no support.

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cairns wayyyyyy to good for rocky. goes to show a good team effort will always beat a team which only revolves around a couple of players. cairns ten deep rocky only 5.

Agree, Cairns just too good for Rocky on the night but it's not quite as simple a team v's a couple of players. I'd say that Rocky's problem was mainly the lack of a solid secondary ball carrier option. Cairns just did a great job of getting the ball out of Martin's hands and then played aggressive defense to force turnovers from the other guys. Without such a lop-sided turnover count it would have been anybody's game.

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Agree, Cairns just too good for Rocky on the night but it's not quite as simple a team v's a couple of players. I'd say that Rocky's problem was mainly the lack of a solid secondary ball carrier option. Cairns just did a great job of getting the ball out of Martin's hands and then played aggressive defense to force turnovers from the other guys. Without such a lop-sided turnover count it would have been anybody's game.

you have to be kidding, it was not just the turn overs. cairns out played rocky all over the court in all aspects of the game. this is what happens when the coach puts together a complete roster and not just a starting 5.

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you have to be kidding, it was not just the turn overs. cairns out played rocky all over the court in all aspects of the game. this is what happens when the coach puts together a complete roster and not just a starting 5.
Not taking anything away from the Marlins - they put the right game plan together to exploit Rocky's lack of secondary ball carriers. But you aren't too bright if you think that Rocky wouldn't have been in the game with an even turnover count.

Let's look at the numbers shall we?:

Cairns had 11 turnovers to Rocky's 23. Thats 12 less attempts to score for Rocky and easy points on the other end for Cairns, as evidenced by their 12 extra points off turnovers than Rocky.

Let's assume that given an even number of turnovers for each team, they would have each scored roughly the same amount of points off turnovers. I guess you could split the difference here and say that instead of of 4-16 it might have been 10-10 (6 less points to the margin).

Assuming that both teams would have rebounded at the same rate as they did for the rest of the game, Rocky would get the offensive board around 38.6% of the time on their extra shot attempts. This basically increases the lost shot attempts due to turnovers from 12 to 16.632 (let's round it down to an even 16).

Let's assume that Rocky would have scored at the same clip (44.4% when 3 point baskets are acocunted for) on their 16 extra attempts as they did for the rest of the game:
That's 16 x 44.4 x 2 points = 14 points.

Add that together and you have a 20 point difference. Certainly none if it changes the fact that the Marlins WERE able to force the lop-sided turnover count and blow the game out. But it's just not accurate to lay the blame on Rocky's lack of depth.

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Not taking anything away from the Marlins - they put the right game plan together to exploit Rocky's lack of secondary ball carriers. But you aren't too bright if you think that Rocky wouldn't have been in the game with an even turnover count.

Let's look at the numbers shall we?:

Cairns had 11 turnovers to Rocky's 23. Thats 12 less attempts to score for Rocky and easy points on the other end for Cairns, as evidenced by their 12 extra points off turnovers than Rocky.

Let's assume that given an even number of turnovers for each team, they would have each scored roughly the same amount of points off turnovers. I guess you could split the difference here and say that instead of of 4-16 it might have been 10-10 (6 less points to the margin).

Assuming that both teams would have rebounded at the same rate as they did for the rest of the game, Rocky would get the offensive board around 38.6% of the time on their extra shot attempts. This basically increases the lost shot attempts due to turnovers from 12 to 16.632 (let's round it down to an even 16).

Let's assume that Rocky would have scored at the same clip (44.4% when 3 point baskets are acocunted for) on their 16 extra attempts as they did for the rest of the game:
That's 16 x 44.4 x 2 points = 14 points.

Add that together and you have a 20 point difference. Certainly none if it changes the fact that the Marlins WERE able to force the lop-sided turnover count and blow the game out. But it's just not accurate to lay the blame on Rocky's lack of depth.

So in using your logic if i was born 7ft tall instead of 6ft i would be playing in the NBA

[2 cents]

you have to be kidding, it was not just the turn overs. cairns out played rocky all over the court in all aspects of the game. this is what happens when the coach puts together a complete roster and not just a starting 5.

dude im all for some rocky bashing and i was hoping Cairns won for Joel's last game but there is such thing as being a sore winner, you have an NBL program which sort of makes it easier for your coach to add some depth to the roster with 7 NBL players and kids lining up to be part of your Taipans Dev squad.

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I'm from Townsville and was a bit disapointed in first the size of the crowd and their passion.
Maybe they were saying themsevles for the Grand final which didn't happen.Saw all the games and they were worth watching.I have to say the Gladstone supporter's were unreal and if the games got boring it would have been worth the price of admission just to watch them.Great weekend and well done Gladstone.PS number 21 for SW is a superstar.

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So in using your logic if i was born 7ft tall instead of 6ft i would be playing in the NBA

Incorrect again. Using my logic it wouldn't matter whether you were 7ft tall or not, you'd still be a wanker.

Did you even read what I wrote? Like maybe the part where the whole point is not that Rocky should have won, but WHY they lost?

[Mr bEn]

So in using your logic if i was born 7ft tall instead of 6ft i would be playing in the NBA

I agree with that sentiment. It's all a lot would coulda shoulda BS to me.

How about if Cairns didn't turn the ball over at all .... they would've won by more!! See what I'm getting at .....

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I agree with that sentiment. It's all a lot would coulda shoulda BS to me.

How about if Cairns didn't turn the ball over at all .... they would've won by more!! See what I'm getting at .....

How about if you read the entire running conversation and comprehend the point of it rather than dismissing it as some sort of sore loser trying to suggest Rocky should have won? I made it very clear before I said anything that Cairns deserved the win and put the right game plan together in order to do it. In my hypothetic situation you might notice that I opened and closed with exactly that sentiment. I was just trying to educate the person who said it was lack of depth that caused Rocky's loss. If you like, I can use non-hypothetical information for you:

Cairns put on a big lead in the 1st quarter against Rocky's best 5. Not their bench guys.

They were up by 18 at the half and they did it on the back of something like 18 rocky turnovers. Or perhaps you would like to suggest it was all round play? Easy to say, but do you have anything to back that up? Do you have stats showing that Rocky was outplayed comprehensively across the board?

When Rocky came back in the 3rd, how many turnovers did they have? Bugger all.

When Kerry Williams started draining consecutive 3's from way downtown (how often does that happen?) the game was put out of reach and Rocky gave up resulting in a blowout instead of a fairly close game. Let's not forget that the last game between these teams was played out almost identically except that game went right down to the wire.

I guess you could say that if Rocky had better depth then maybe they could have pulled their starters in the 1st to see if they could regain their composure. Maybe more depth would have helped. But that's not why they were in trouble in the first place is it?

It's easy for me to see: lots of turnovers = down big, low turnovers = coming back to challenge for the game. It's not rocket science but if my words are making your head hurt (thinking's hard isn't it?) then I guess I'll have to give up on you.

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Thanks rockhampton. I am never returning to this site. win or lose it is rubbish.

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You are never returning because?

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Yea great games in townsville was some of the most exiting stuff i have ever seen, and the gladstone support was awesome and it was great to see for womens basketball, was a little odd to see that the opposition teams that had no support were bitter of the gladstone crowd and the girls from caloundra especially seemed almost offended that they had no support, i think that atmosphere is what is missing in australian basketball and passionate fans that get behind thier team should be encouraged to be as crazy and as loud as possible, i only hope that the teams that were there in townsville will see the amount of love that the gladstone supporters have for their team and carry a little bit of that passion back to thier clubs instead if being angry and bitter that they had no support.

nah not offended. the Gladstone support was awesome it was all in good fun. they were great, it was like they had brought their entire stadium with them, very lucky club to have such great suppoters, i think most teams wish they had that. Whose ever idea it was to bring those tin buckets with wooden spoons good work holy moly they were loud. everyone had a good time, especially Gladstone :p they deserved the win, the standard of play throughout the entire weekend was awesome from all teams. and everyone had a great night like Nagas said early at the bank, was a good fun night out. A few people would have pulled up a little worse then others come sunday :)

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Congrats to Cairns on their win. Tough season in the QBL this year, lets hope that the standard only gets better next year.

[Mr bEn]

It's not rocket science but if my words are making your head hurt

Not words, just a poor argument! :loser:

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If it's so poor that perhaps you could point out exactly what makes it so?

[Unregistered]

Perhaps you could tell me what my argument is just so It's clear that you understand?

[2 cents]

Perhaps you could tell me what my argument is just so It's clear that you understand?

I no ur not talking to me but I’ll see if I got it rite so hopefully this ridiculous argument can be over..

In a nutshell Ur defending against the statement where someone canned rocky for havin no depth by sayin their poor turnover count plus a healthy shootin streak was the factor that lost them the game not the fact that Cairns goes 10 deep n Rocky goes 5…

i think wat the others are tryin to say is it jus sounds like your makin excuses an rocky dont have a good record with losin on this forum...

so if we are all clear an thats all ur tryin to say then maybe we can move onto more important things like how hot Bree Warren is... or maybe thats something better suited to QBL Awards topic convo...

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Ah yes Nagas chimes in with some sanity.

I can see what they are saying. But I fail to understand why they are saying it considering that I deliberately stated that Cairns completely deserved the win and nowhere have I ever said otherwise.

And I find it particularly annoying when I've taken the time to put forward a logical argument and all I get back is 1 sentence responses that appear to have completely missed the point. It's like they are just reading enough to find the word 'Rocky' and then when they realize it's not immediately followed by the words 'suck' or 'got their assess handed to them' they just skip to the end and accuse me of whinging.

If you don't want a well thought out discussion on here then you shouldn't complain when all you get is people bagging each other out like I see here most of the time.

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And I find it particularly annoying when I've taken the time to put forward a logical argument and all I get back is 1 sentence responses that appear to have completely missed the point.

maybe if rocky (suck, happy) had more than 5 players they could afford to sub somebody else in when their starters started turning the ball over as often as they obviously did and maybe if they had more than one ball handler they could put somebody else on the floor to help out when cairns put the presure on their point and maybe if the rocky starters had more of a rest they would get a chance to see what was happening from the sidelines because even though the starting 5 for rocky are good players i am sure they wouldn't be able to play at the same level all game especially when they had the constant presure that cairns put on them, and i have tried putting this in one sentence to keep you happy, happy.

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You talk about the reason Rocky lost was Turnover differential.

Well, what causes Turnovers? A mix of quality defence and poor offence. Personally I do not think Rocky's offence is terrible, but as pointed out earlier, Rocky only had one ball carrier so Cairns could exploit this weakness, but had they had another ball carrier on the team (ie no depth at this spot), Cairns had Kerry and Deba as first rate ball handlers, plus others who were decent then maybe Rocky would have had less Turnovers. 23 TO's in a game is a little high, but not that bad, it only looks bad compared to Rocky's 12 Turnovers. Now had Cairns had around 20 Turnovers as well, then Turnovers would not be a point of discussion.

But nearly all game long, Rocky sat in a zone, and put no full court pressure on the ball. Only a few possessions was this different. Why did they play a non pressuring defence compared to Cairns erratic man to man? Their size and rebounding advantage would be part of the reason, sure... but the fact you need your starting 5 to play 40+ minutes could also be a factor.

It could have been a poor coaching decision by Tweedy with soft D that allowed Cairns to get good shots at will, it could have been a wise decision based on the fact Rocky are not as deep or mobile as Cairns. But you can't pull out one stat without even considering why that stat is that way to explain a loss or part thereof.

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maybe if rocky (suck, happy) had more than 5 players they could afford to sub somebody else in when their starters started turning the ball over as often as they obviously did and maybe if they had more than one ball handler they could put somebody else on the floor to help out when cairns put the presure on their point and maybe if the rocky starters had more of a rest they would get a chance to see what was happening from the sidelines because even though the starting 5 for rocky are good players i am sure they wouldn't be able to play at the same level all game especially when they had the constant presure that cairns put on them, and i have tried putting this in one sentence to keep you happy, happy.
Yes I am happy actually. Even though you haven't really changed your stance (lack of depth) you at least seem to agree with me that the turnovers were the main problem in that game. I will also note that my stance wasn't much different to yours, I just specified that the problem more accurately was a lack of depth as far as capable ball carriers / playmakers goes. You only have to look at Brisbane to see that it doesn't matter if you go 10 deep, you really have to have the right key players to make it all work.

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But you can't pull out one stat without even considering why that stat is that way to explain a loss or part thereof.
I absolutely did consider why the stat was that way. Here is a quote from my original post:

I'd say that Rocky's problem was mainly the lack of a solid secondary ball carrier option. Cairns just did a great job of getting the ball out of Martin's hands and then played aggressive defense to force turnovers from the other guys.

And for your pleasure, here's a quick summation of the full stats analysis:

Field Goals - Cairns 63% - Rocky 44% (accounting for 3 point makes)
Free Throws - Pretty even as far as getting to the line, Marlins made 4 more than Rocky though
Rebounds - Rocky won this (54.4% of total rebounds to 45.6%). Crashed O boards hard (38.6%).
Blocks - Basically even

And here's the important parts:
Turnovers - Cairns 11 - Rocky 23
Steals - Basically reverse of Turnovers (duh!)
Assists - Cairns 25 - Rocky 10 - Didn't mention before but goes without saying that the same tactic I mentioned earlier of getting the ball out of Martin's hands contributed a lot to this.

And my conclusion:
Surprisingly still the same, although I'll also add that another major factor in the loss was Kerry's long range daggers in the 4th to start the blowout. The major differentials in the stats were the shooting percentages, the turnover related stats, and the assists. The shooting percentage is a bit misleading though as the Marlins picked up quite a few easy buckets off turnovers and also when Rocky gave up at the end.

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Oh and:
Aucoin - 9 turnovers
Golsen - 7 turnovers
Martin - 2 turnovers

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Sorry one last thing:

Looking back at the previous 2 games between the 2 teams - both were tight contests and in both games the turnover counts were almost identical (equal or within 1).

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Yes Cairns long range shooting was a factor, and the 63% FG% shows that Rocky's weak zone was the big problem, not how many turnovers they had but how few they forced plus the open space available on the perimeter for the Marlins.

Cairns on the other hand forcing TO's across all positions from Rocky's big guns and not allowing Rhys to creat as much.

So the problem might not be Rocky's lack of depth at all. They just turned up in a final and sat in a zone all night, ALLOWED Cairns to shoot the lights out and went 6 deep.

Cairns did not go alot deeper though, Deba played 11min inc junk time, Nelo played a solid 14min with Brebner and Gray in foul trouble and Comino was decent for his 21min. So Cairns 7-8 deep. Neither side went any deeper, nor should they in a final. You want your best playing as much as they can.

I agree difference was not Depth, but not Turnovers either, it was Cairns playing better defence, and Rocky rolling the dice that Cairns couldn't shoot by sitting in a zone for 40+ minutes of the game. Guess they crapped out on that role

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Didn't Rocky play zone all game in the other 2 regular season games as well?

The FG% was a factor but nowhere near as big as it looks considering the easy points that Cairns got off the back of turnovers and in junk time. Then there's also the fact that Rocky were aggressively attacking the glass, effectively making up even more of the difference (If you miss just get it back and shoot again).

Cairns did shoot better from downtown than their previous 2 games v Rocky. Basically it was about the same amount of attempts, but 3 more makes (Kerry nailing NBA 3's has to help that a little right?). They also edged Rocky out in the free throws and these 2 factors probably would have seen Cairns over the line in a close finish even if the turnover counts were equal.

I still maintain that the biggest factor in the loss was the large amount of turnovers, though certainly not the only factor.

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just read through all this crap and ya know what, in spite of it all the result remains the same.
cairns won. best of luck to em. see ya next year