REP COSTS

[Unregistered]

Hey since BBI have more than doubled their rep fees for this year. ($394 per child no sibling discount). We would all like to know what the other associations are charging.

Please post each association. With so much movement between associations this year it would be good to have the fees posted before trials begin.

[Unregistered]

Districts fees are $529 ($500 if paid by Oct 1)

[Unregistered]

When posting your fees can you please say what they include. Thanks

[Unregistered]

Districts fees are $529 ($500 if paid by Oct 1)

Districts includes training sessions, training singlet, classics nomination, dress shirt. Doesnt include travel, playing shorts or $10.00 game fee per week.

[Unregistered]

Ipswich is $150 includes dress shirt, back pack, season nomination and a damn good presentation day at the end of the season.

[Unregistered]

Hey since BBI have more than doubled their rep fees for this year. ($394 per child no sibling discount). We would all like to know what the other associations are charging.

Please post each association. With so much movement between associations this year it would be good to have the fees posted before trials begin.

I would like to know YOUR motive for asking these questions? Are you unhappy with the cost and looking for a cheaper option.? Basketball still is a fairly inexpensive sport. Each Association will differ as each are different. for example some teams must hire every venue they use, for training and games and I am sure other Associations have similar expenses that must be met. And they have no income steam to support the game. i.e kiosk etc. other than game fees so teams must self fund their entry in Comp. I apy my teams fees happily as both receive excellent coaching and enjoy their game and team mates - it's worth it

[Unregistered]

If you are a parent that coaches consider the time you are giving for free as well.

2 Trainings a week + Rep games + club games + Petrol + week off work for Classics = ?

[Unregistered]

Districts includes training sessions, training singlet, classics nomination, dress shirt. Doesnt include travel, playing shorts or $10.00 game fee per week.
It also includes team photo, presentation night, medical kit, refree educations and to come training balls for each team. Payments are split into 2 payments.

[Unregistered]

If you are a parent that coaches consider the time you are giving for free as well.

2 Trainings a week + Rep games + club games + Petrol + week off work for Classics = ?

Thats your choice to coach/manage parents contribute equal time in travel training etc. been on both sides of this, I choose to be involved, and I dont complain. I choose to pay the price to be involved with my kids

[Unregistered]

I think the comment was meant to just to find out what other associations pay as for many parents at BBI this bill has come as a bit of a shock given that last year the fees including classics ( if they were in sth-east qld) were less than $150. Given that there have been no huge insurance price rises (like after the HIH colapse), and we are still coming out of GFC that it seemed a bit rich to put up the cost so much.
Every parent appreciates the coaches and managers and their incredible committment to the rep program and no one needs to add up the hours involved for all involved, we all know it is heaps.

Sorry I also disagree with the statement that it is an inexpensive sport, netball, rugby league and afl are all much cheaper even at rep level.

[Unregistered]

Yes - agreed you are a real winner making a comment like that - NOT!!! Go play in the middle of the road.

[Unregistered]

It also includes team photo, presentation night, medical kit, refree educations and to come training balls for each team. Payments are split into 2 payments.

Funny, when i was there, i didnt see much money coming into referee educations... not at districts atleast... but hey, what would i know :) talent seems to be leaving there pretty quickly because of it :)

[DaDunker]

Funny, when i was there, i didnt see much money coming into referee educations... not at districts atleast... but hey, what would i know :) talent seems to be leaving there pretty quickly because of it :)

I believe that there is also a referee levee imposed by BQ as part of the registration fees. So where is all this ref education money going?

[Unregistered]

I think the comment was meant to just to find out what other associations pay as for many parents at BBI this bill has come as a bit of a shock given that last year the fees including classics ( if they were in sth-east qld) were less than $150. Given that there have been no huge insurance price rises (like after the HIH colapse), and we are still coming out of GFC that it seemed a bit rich to put up the cost so much.
Every parent appreciates the coaches and managers and their incredible committment to the rep program and no one needs to add up the hours involved for all involved, we all know it is heaps.

Sorry I also disagree with the statement that it is an inexpensive sport, netball, rugby league and afl are all much cheaper even at rep level.


I agree with the above comment. Rep basketball is very costly compared to other mainstream team sports. $150 registration, $30 for shorts, $25-30 per week game/training fees, plus club registration $50, weekly club game fees (now $15) BQ registration $66 etc.

Last year our u12 team had to pay over $800 nomination for just 6 games at classics. that's over $100 per team per game!!! Inexpensive? The ban on shirt advertising sponsorship just makes it all the harder on battlers like us.

[Unregistered]

I'm a Ref at Districts and I have to say, the people that are there doing the educating are doing a fantastic job! and they put in 200% but there aren't enough people and resources at the moment. also "our" ref education program was flushed down the toilet when some VERY poor management choices allowed people that were not suited to positions there, (trying not to name names but any that were there will know what I'm talking about). Kelly, Lesley and Jason are doing as much as they can, but when you have no decent ref's coming through it's tough.

as far as the Fees go, I feel that it should really cost more than about $300 no including travel.

On a side not can the rep Coaches get some pride and were something more than shorts and a shirt, I can't believe the number of coaches that are in shorts! I don't mind the team polo, having said that if you're a div 1 coach you really should be in Paints, and a dress shirt, I understand ur not getting paid but there's no excuse to not set a good example, I do it for club when I can.

[Unregistered]

Thousands of dollars are pocketed at each Classics, Schools Tournys, Gradings etc... BY WHOM???????

Where the f.... is all that money going? Certainly isn't to the centres staging the events. DEFINETLY NOT to the refs...

so disgusting that Open Schools in September the refs were only paid $12 pg and grading wkends they were only paid $10 pg.

Team nominations for Schools $600 per team- 90 teams competed.
Grading unsure but think it was $600 per team as well...so you do the maths...
Expenditures for such events... court hireage...referee fees...basic administration costs.

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WE ARE BEING HELD AT RANSOM BY SUCH A CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION?!

AND BESIDES THE PAYING PARENTS... WHY THE REFEREES OF QLD ARE ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN!!!!!! IT IS ABORENT THAT SEVERAL 'PERSONS' HAVE THE ENTIRE QLD JUNIOR BBALL BY THE BALLS AND WE JUST KEEP ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN...

This is a plea to parents and referees and not to the administration I speak so loudly about, because they will just whitewash it over with all that bs that they always give us.

IT IS A JOKE THAT AT EACH CLASSICS PARENTS ARE GIVEN SOME TYPED UP BREAK DOWN OF JUNIOR DEVELOPEMENT MUMBO JUMBO...

PARENTS, REFEREES STANDUP AND VOTE OUT THESE CORRUPT SELFSERVING INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ROBBING US IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.

[Unregistered]

A breakdown of the rep fees at our place:
(Team fees are divided by 10)

$25 rep fees (BQ fee to play BQJBC)
$17 grading weekend ($170 per team to BQ)
$9 * 2 training fees (based on court hire of $45 per hour)
$7 season game fees ($70 per team)
$86 classics ($860 classics nomination per team)

Add to that any uniform fees. Eg:

$15 reversible training singlet
$60 warmup shirt
$$$ uniform fee (these aren't free :)


Those are the basic costs, add things like travel costs (fuel + classics) on top of that. I am not sure how much it all adds up to over a season but you can do the math.

That is all based on a volunteer structure. The problem these days is that most parents EXPECT things to be more professional or they will be the first to scream and shout, so if you add the cost of a coaching director and administration assistant that figure starts going up...

I am not sure what the BBI or SD fees cover but I dare say that most players anywhere would pay at least $500 per season if you include all classic costs. This would be even higher if classics are other side of the state.

[Unregistered]

That is all based on a volunteer structure. The problem these days is that most parents EXPECT things to be more professional or they will be the first to scream and shout, so if you add the cost of a coaching director and administration assistant that figure starts going up...


I think you will find that most parents feel that many of these paid positions are simply "jobs for the boys" and our kids reap no real benefits from them. Most would be happy to pay if the outcomes were tangible for junior basketballers.

[Unregistered]

Referees are paid, so they are luckier than a lot of our coaches. I bet no coach would complain if he/she got $10 a game.

Furthermore most of these refs are young kids earning $10 a game (=$10hr) which is more than most jobs would pay them. I am not saying they are under or overpaid but unlike alot of other stakeholers in the sport who arent paid at all they should be grateful.

Also for people that are paid they should make a lot less mistakes that what i currently see out there! no other employer would put up with it

**flame suite on**

[Unregistered]

There is another thread in the Juniors Section for State team trials...look at those costs....$35 State team nomination fee....WTF....$35 to what...fill out a piece of paper, and then $15 court hire fees....can understand the court hire costs....not...shouldn't BQ pay for this...if 40 kids tune up at $15 each...this is way more than court hire costs....not to mention the $35 X 40 for nomination fees.....money for jam....???

[The Joker]

Referees are paid, so they are luckier than a lot of our coaches. I bet no coach would complain if he/she got $10 a game.

Furthermore most of these refs are young kids earning $10 a game (=$10hr) which is more than most jobs would pay them. I am not saying they are under or overpaid but unlike alot of other stakeholers in the sport who arent paid at all they should be grateful.

Also for people that are paid they should make a lot less mistakes that what i currently see out there! no other employer would put up with it

**flame suite on**

You seem to forget that these Junior referees are children. They are going to make mistakes, they are still learning. The importent thing is to learn from their errors. It is the same with players they make mistakes thats why they have that handy stat column for turnovers.

[Unregistered]

You seem to forget that these Junior referees are children. They are going to make mistakes, they are still learning. The importent thing is to learn from their errors. It is the same with players they make mistakes thats why they have that handy stat column for turnovers.
Then why are they entrusted with so much power when, as you say, they are children?
The children actually have the power (without the maturity to handle it) to wipe out a coach for a game and/or a team for a season. Rings warning bells when a pre-adolescent kid refereeing can call the ex Boomers Captain and current assistant coach a "smart-arse" from the floor thus abusing his position and power. That his summation of the coach comes from a position of ignorance and perhaps parental influence and he has the power to enact those prejudices to the detriment of many does not bode well for the future of our sport on any credible level.

[Unregistered]

I would like to know how much they pay at Logan and Sth West for the rep programme???

Can I make it clear that BBI's costs of $395 does NOT include game fees but does include the inhouse personal trainers who are supposed to come every week for every rep teams training and do core strength work for all of 5 minutes with 2 teams at a time. (really individual attention - not). This unneccessary service costs each kid $55. Already there have been no shows from the trainers so shall be interesting to see if we get our money's worth.

Can I also say that BBI's coaches are fantastic and very dedicated tis just a shame the admin has lost their way with this whole programme. It will be interesting to see next year how many people cross the river to play at BBI. (since their have been massive movement this year, again welcomed by BBI admin without any clear policy or even membership before trialling.)

[Coach B]

Then why are they entrusted with so much power when, as you say, they are children?
The children actually have the power (without the maturity to handle it) to wipe out a coach for a game and/or a team for a season. Rings warning bells when a pre-adolescent kid refereeing can call the ex Boomers Captain and current assistant coach a "smart-arse" from the floor thus abusing his position and power. That his summation of the coach comes from a position of ignorance and perhaps parental influence and he has the power to enact those prejudices to the detriment of many does not bode well for the future of our sport on any credible level.

1. without these 'kids' there is no competition. No ref No game.

2. good to see a 'kid' wasn't intimidated by such a credentialed person.

3. I would hope the coach in question has lodged a complaint with the concerned association thus resulting in disciplinary action for this ref, as I wouldnt never dis-respect a coach within a game. Professionalism is what we are trying to teach these kids and they do get paid for what they do.

4. Do you ref? If we had more 'senior' refs than I am sure they would get the gig over the 'kids'. I am not coaching this year and plan to participate in our assoc rep ref program. And I might add we are short refs this year in all assoc. Any help from 'mature' persons would surely be appreciated.

Just so I am clear I dont condone that behaviour and hope the appropriate action is taken.

[The Joker]

Then why are they entrusted with so much power when, as you say, they are children?
The children actually have the power (without the maturity to handle it) to wipe out a coach for a game and/or a team for a season. Rings warning bells when a pre-adolescent kid refereeing can call the ex Boomers Captain and current assistant coach a "smart-arse" from the floor thus abusing his position and power. That his summation of the coach comes from a position of ignorance and perhaps parental influence and he has the power to enact those prejudices to the detriment of many does not bode well for the future of our sport on any credible level.

Where would you like them to learn how to referee? If said referee did speak to coach like that then I agree that is wrong and should be educated that isnt the correct way to speak to coaches.

But yet again you are talking about children and expecting them to behave like adults. It doesn't work that way.

On the whole the junior referees work very hard, give up their weekends the same as coaches, players, the scorebench officals, referee supervisors and the game administrators.

Really doesnt bode well for our sport if our junior referees are not given the opportunity or the support to develop. As all the senior referee's will retire eventually and if there isnt people coming through to replace them, it will be to the detriment of the game

[Unregistered]

I would like to know how much they pay at Logan and Sth West for the rep programme???

Can I make it clear that BBI's costs of $395 does NOT include game fees but does include the inhouse personal trainers who are supposed to come every week for every rep teams training and do core strength work for all of 5 minutes with 2 teams at a time. (really individual attention - not). This unneccessary service costs each kid $55. Already there have been no shows from the trainers so shall be interesting to see if we get our money's worth.

Can I also say that BBI's coaches are fantastic and very dedicated tis just a shame the admin has lost their way with this whole programme. It will be interesting to see next year how many people cross the river to play at BBI. (since their have been massive movement this year, again welcomed by BBI admin without any clear policy or even membership before trialling.)



BBI now have a "development manager"; I think that you will find your increased subs pay his wage.

[Unregistered]

BBI now have a "development manager"; I think that you will find your increased subs pay his wage.

I hope the person is worth it?, because the people playing for Rep are paying his/hers wage not the kids that didn't make it. I am sure there are smaller Associations struggling to make numbers that would welcome any kid and not attemt to get a strangle hold on top talent.

[Unregistered]

I hope the person is worth it?, because the people playing for Rep are paying his/hers wage not the kids that didn't make it. I am sure there are smaller Associations struggling to make numbers that would welcome any kid and not attemt to get a strangle hold on top talent.

To the disgrungtled parents from BBI, you four can leave anytime you like. It aint blackmail, you feel it is unfair, just ask for a clearance. I am sure they would gladly give you a refund and send you on your way! No one forces anyone to come or stay at BBI, vote with your feet if you feel so strongly.

Good luck with that.

[Unregistered]

I dont think alot of you guys are understanding the point of the refereeing side of it, the Rep costs arent covering the fees going to paying the referee, its being put into the development of these referees, which there is a distinct lack of in the majority of our centres.

I agree that while the kid at runaway bay was wrong in telling Shane what he thinks of him, but the same should be said about Shane, he is a senior player, and is most likely looked up to, he needs to display better conduct, read the code of conduct, the kid was giving it a go, give him a break.

I do my part to help the development, but at BBI we dont really need it, and infact i asked if i could come educate during the grading tournament, and was told there arent fees, if this is the case, where are the fees that are going towards referee education going to?

[The Joker]

You are correct that we do have a very strong education program at BBI. Thanks in large part to the personel who donate large amounts of their time to further the development of the junior referees.

Not sure about the grading tournament, but they do pay educators $10 a game for BQJBC. But referee educators dont do it for the money, the money is a nice token though, if we were only in it for the money none of us would be involved.

[Unregistered]

I agree that while the kid at runaway bay was wrong in telling Shane what he thinks of him, but the same should be said about Shane, he is a senior player, and is most likely looked up to, he needs to display better conduct, read the code of conduct, the kid was giving it a go, give him a break.


Shane was actually conducting himself in the same professional manner that befits a National coach and the kid is from "Gold Coast" and not Runaway Bay and therein lies the heart of the matter. Shane never lost any sleep over it and laughed just like everbody else but it doesnt say much for the "development" that someone is paid handsomely to facilitate.

[Unregistered]

To the disgrungtled parents from BBI, you four can leave anytime you like. It aint blackmail, you feel it is unfair, just ask for a clearance. I am sure they would gladly give you a refund and send you on your way! No one forces anyone to come or stay at BBI, vote with your feet if you feel so strongly.

Good luck with that.

Whoever wrote the above I sincerely hope is not a BBI official, there are many (most rep teams across all ages) who are unhappy with the fees. This is an open forum surely everyone has the right to express dissatisfaction with admin. At least we are not bitching about coaches or players unlike the other forums.

[Unregistered]

As a BBI parent, I questioned the powers that be as to why I had to pay $20 for the break-up dinner at the end of the season, when I am not even sure if my child will be able to attend (no date has been given). It would seem a tad money grabbing to levy each representative player for a dinner that they may not want/ or be able to attend. I questioned whether I would get a refund if my child was unable to attend and was told, I had signed away my rights to a refund when I signed the Players agreement form.
I also questioned the validity of the $55 fee per child for Acceleration Australia to come to the team trainings, supposedly once a week, to teach them how to warm up correctly. I stated that I did not want my child to participate in this and could this please be deducted from the bill. I was told that it was a decision made my BBI and that I did not have any say about this cost and if I was not happy with the cost then to take my child to another association. Our coaches volunteer to teach our children.... I would prefer to contribute the money towards them than pay an overpriced group of trainers come in and teach our children how to warm up and improve their core body strength. Could not our Caoching Director, Development Officer or other such Qualified individual take on this role. They could teach our coaches how to do it properly if BBI thinks that our children need this. On calculation, Acceleration Australia is earning about $8000.00 for their effort. Pretty good deal if you ask me!!!!. I am sure that you could get someone for much cheaper that could come in and teach the coaches how to do these things. Now that I would pay for.
We were advised of these costs after the representative trials had been finished and as such it was too late to 'jump ship' and go to another association, as most of them had already picked their teams.
I am prepared to pay for the rest of the costs and told BBI as such, however as a consumer, I feel that I have the right to question the costs that they are imposing upon us. To collect money for a break-up dinner that will be scheduled for after the season is finished is outright highway robbery. No matter how many people attend the dinner, BBI will not be out of pocket as they only pay for those that go..... by making people pay early they will actually make money. In business, you do not pay for a service that you do not want.
$75.00 is better in my pocket than in BBI coffers (as well as Acceleration Australias).
I have been told that I have to pay these costs and was told in no uncertain terms that if I didn't like it, go elsewhere (the person who told me this is fully aware that this option is not available as grading games have already been played.
My choices are: pay up and shut up or walk or as was suggested, get myself onto the Committee so that I have a say.
There are far more than 4 disgruntled parents and BBI are aware of this. Their answer to any query is .... 'other associations charge more', 'you have signed the Player Agreement form so you have to pay', 'it is our decision and you have to pay' or 'take you child elsewhere if you are unhappy'

[Unregistered]

As a BBI parent, I questioned the powers that be as to why I had to pay $20 for the break-up dinner at the end of the season, when I am not even sure if my child will be able to attend (no date has been given). It would seem a tad money grabbing to levy each representative player for a dinner that they may not want/ or be able to attend. I questioned whether I would get a refund if my child was unable to attend and was told, I had signed away my rights to a refund when I signed the Players agreement form.
I also questioned the validity of the $55 fee per child for Acceleration Australia to come to the team trainings, supposedly once a week, to teach them how to warm up correctly. I stated that I did not want my child to participate in this and could this please be deducted from the bill. I was told that it was a decision made my BBI and that I did not have any say about this cost and if I was not happy with the cost then to take my child to another association. Our coaches volunteer to teach our children.... I would prefer to contribute the money towards them than pay an overpriced group of trainers come in and teach our children how to warm up and improve their core body strength. Could not our Caoching Director, Development Officer or other such Qualified individual take on this role. They could teach our coaches how to do it properly if BBI thinks that our children need this. On calculation, Acceleration Australia is earning about $8000.00 for their effort. Pretty good deal if you ask me!!!!. I am sure that you could get someone for much cheaper that could come in and teach the coaches how to do these things. Now that I would pay for.
We were advised of these costs after the representative trials had been finished and as such it was too late to 'jump ship' and go to another association, as most of them had already picked their teams.
I am prepared to pay for the rest of the costs and told BBI as such, however as a consumer, I feel that I have the right to question the costs that they are imposing upon us. To collect money for a break-up dinner that will be scheduled for after the season is finished is outright highway robbery. No matter how many people attend the dinner, BBI will not be out of pocket as they only pay for those that go..... by making people pay early they will actually make money. In business, you do not pay for a service that you do not want.
$75.00 is better in my pocket than in BBI coffers (as well as Acceleration Australias).
I have been told that I have to pay these costs and was told in no uncertain terms that if I didn't like it, go elsewhere (the person who told me this is fully aware that this option is not available as grading games have already been played.
My choices are: pay up and shut up or walk or as was suggested, get myself onto the Committee so that I have a say.
There are far more than 4 disgruntled parents and BBI are aware of this. Their answer to any query is .... 'other associations charge more', 'you have signed the Player Agreement form so you have to pay', 'it is our decision and you have to pay' or 'take you child elsewhere if you are unhappy'

For years Southern Districts have had the same attitude to any parent who questioned their fees; take your child else where if you don't like it. Well guess what? People have left in droves and their junior program at both club and rep level is floundering. Parents are entitled to ask questions and not be shown the door when they do.

[Truth]

For years Southern Districts have had the same attitude to any parent who questioned their fees; take your child else where if you don't like it. Well guess what? People have left in droves and their junior program at both club and rep level is floundering. Parents are entitled to ask questions and not be shown the door when they do.

The numbers at Carina are growing and new programs are starting which is what the people are requesting. Sounds as though you want a bit each way. You moved on but still want to complain about things that you do not want to be part of. Districts are doing fine with solid policies and direction. Dont be angry because no one misses you. hahahah
By the sounds of it BBI are also starting to see what needs to be done and are doing the hard yards to make the sport a better product in years to come. All associations do it differently but in the end we all end up near the same as far as costs goes.
People who want to make decisions need to start doing the work and get elected to where others are elected to make decisions. That is all year round. Not just when it is affecting your child.
I also think the rules allow late clearances up to a certain date. Not sure if this is right or not.

[Unregistered]

As a BBI parent, I questioned the powers that be as to why I had to pay $20 for the break-up dinner at the end of the season, when I am not even sure if my child will be able to attend (no date has been given). It would seem a tad money grabbing to levy each representative player for a dinner that they may not want/ or be able to attend. I questioned whether I would get a refund if my child was unable to attend and was told, I had signed away my rights to a refund when I signed the Players agreement form.
I also questioned the validity of the $55 fee per child for Acceleration Australia to come to the team trainings, supposedly once a week, to teach them how to warm up correctly. I stated that I did not want my child to participate in this and could this please be deducted from the bill. I was told that it was a decision made my BBI and that I did not have any say about this cost and if I was not happy with the cost then to take my child to another association. Our coaches volunteer to teach our children.... I would prefer to contribute the money towards them than pay an overpriced group of trainers come in and teach our children how to warm up and improve their core body strength. Could not our Caoching Director, Development Officer or other such Qualified individual take on this role. They could teach our coaches how to do it properly if BBI thinks that our children need this. On calculation, Acceleration Australia is earning about $8000.00 for their effort. Pretty good deal if you ask me!!!!. I am sure that you could get someone for much cheaper that could come in and teach the coaches how to do these things. Now that I would pay for.
We were advised of these costs after the representative trials had been finished and as such it was too late to 'jump ship' and go to another association, as most of them had already picked their teams.
I am prepared to pay for the rest of the costs and told BBI as such, however as a consumer, I feel that I have the right to question the costs that they are imposing upon us. To collect money for a break-up dinner that will be scheduled for after the season is finished is outright highway robbery. No matter how many people attend the dinner, BBI will not be out of pocket as they only pay for those that go..... by making people pay early they will actually make money. In business, you do not pay for a service that you do not want.
$75.00 is better in my pocket than in BBI coffers (as well as Acceleration Australias).
I have been told that I have to pay these costs and was told in no uncertain terms that if I didn't like it, go elsewhere (the person who told me this is fully aware that this option is not available as grading games have already been played.
My choices are: pay up and shut up or walk or as was suggested, get myself onto the Committee so that I have a say.
There are far more than 4 disgruntled parents and BBI are aware of this. Their answer to any query is .... 'other associations charge more', 'you have signed the Player Agreement form so you have to pay', 'it is our decision and you have to pay' or 'take you child elsewhere if you are unhappy'

I have always wanted to know what the relationship between Acceleration Australia and BQ is. Could anyone let me know?

[Unregistered]

I have always wanted to know what the relationship between Acceleration Australia and BQ is. Could anyone let me know?

How the hell did BQ get dragged into this? Do you have a reading problem as well?

[Unregistered]

As a BBI parent, I questioned the powers that be as to why I had to pay $20 for the break-up dinner at the end of the season, when I am not even sure if my child will be able to attend (no date has been given). It would seem a tad money grabbing to levy each representative player for a dinner that they may not want/ or be able to attend. I questioned whether I would get a refund if my child was unable to attend and was told, I had signed away my rights to a refund when I signed the Players agreement form.
I also questioned the validity of the $55 fee per child for Acceleration Australia to come to the team trainings, supposedly once a week, to teach them how to warm up correctly. I stated that I did not want my child to participate in this and could this please be deducted from the bill. I was told that it was a decision made my BBI and that I did not have any say about this cost and if I was not happy with the cost then to take my child to another association. Our coaches volunteer to teach our children.... I would prefer to contribute the money towards them than pay an overpriced group of trainers come in and teach our children how to warm up and improve their core body strength. Could not our Caoching Director, Development Officer or other such Qualified individual take on this role. They could teach our coaches how to do it properly if BBI thinks that our children need this. On calculation, Acceleration Australia is earning about $8000.00 for their effort. Pretty good deal if you ask me!!!!. I am sure that you could get someone for much cheaper that could come in and teach the coaches how to do these things. Now that I would pay for.
We were advised of these costs after the representative trials had been finished and as such it was too late to 'jump ship' and go to another association, as most of them had already picked their teams.
I am prepared to pay for the rest of the costs and told BBI as such, however as a consumer, I feel that I have the right to question the costs that they are imposing upon us. To collect money for a break-up dinner that will be scheduled for after the season is finished is outright highway robbery. No matter how many people attend the dinner, BBI will not be out of pocket as they only pay for those that go..... by making people pay early they will actually make money. In business, you do not pay for a service that you do not want.
$75.00 is better in my pocket than in BBI coffers (as well as Acceleration Australias).
I have been told that I have to pay these costs and was told in no uncertain terms that if I didn't like it, go elsewhere (the person who told me this is fully aware that this option is not available as grading games have already been played.
My choices are: pay up and shut up or walk or as was suggested, get myself onto the Committee so that I have a say.
There are far more than 4 disgruntled parents and BBI are aware of this. Their answer to any query is .... 'other associations charge more', 'you have signed the Player Agreement form so you have to pay', 'it is our decision and you have to pay' or 'take you child elsewhere if you are unhappy'


I think the author has captured the problem very well. I have only looked at this forum today for the first time as another BBI parent said look to have a look at the level of dissatisfaction. What do we do? Who wants to drag a child from a rep programme especially after BBI took up to 6 trials to pick a team/squad? What I am concerned about is that BBI and Spartens are making junior basketball a game for the rich only. Yes get on the committee is one answer but until then we just have to put up? Everyone is scared to complain directly for fear of our child/children being victimised or one being branded a troublemaker. Maybe we can lobby for more government grants? Is that how Logan survives??? Or just clever business practices?

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How the hell did BQ get dragged into this? Do you have a reading problem as well?

Okay BBI then? Has to be one or the other.

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I think the author has captured the problem very well. I have only looked at this forum today for the first time as another BBI parent said look to have a look at the level of dissatisfaction. What do we do? Who wants to drag a child from a rep programme especially after BBI took up to 6 trials to pick a team/squad? What I am concerned about is that BBI and Spartens are making junior basketball a game for the rich only. Yes get on the committee is one answer but until then we just have to put up? Everyone is scared to complain directly for fear of our child/children being victimised or one being branded a troublemaker. Maybe we can lobby for more government grants? Is that how Logan survives??? Or just clever business practices?

The problem with basketball is that we are marketing a very high-level program to the few, rather than an attractive program to the many. As a result of spending too much money on "elite" programs, we have ignored the grass roots, This has lead to more monetary pressures on those who remain - including a need to levy larger fees from representative players to augment the income stream.

After accepting that things must get worse before they get better, here are three steps to a healthier basketball:

1) Cut much of the funded (in time and money) elite programs at everything below state level.

2) Instead fund mass-education programs, including large-scale basketball "camps" and school visits; making use of local club facilities, instead of just central facilities for the associations. This cuts costs and, because most people in an area will join a club will tap into the club-based volunteer base. Access funding on the quantity of children reached.

3) Encourage players to stay for longer than their own club game by a) promoting healthy inter-club competition and focus on the senior games at club level (not association level) available on each day b) making the act of recruiting referees active rather than passive and c) offering cheap awards on a per-game session basis (e.g. if there are 4 games at 10:00 am on a Saturday, pick one court and pick an award and award it at a short ceremony following the next game).

This will drop the standard of play at the elite levels in the short term. But we are kidding ourselves if we think that we can truly compete with the likes of AFL by spending a few hundred on extra conditioning training and the like. To compete we need a strong foundation... right now we're on a gild trip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilding)

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I have always wanted to know what the relationship between Acceleration Australia and BQ is. Could anyone let me know?

The best way to find out the answer to this question is to ask Stewart Briggs the man behind Acceleration. I have always found him to be most accomadating and a straight shooting kinda guy. He is at the stadium most days, or give him a ring if you really want to know.

Or you can continue to bag him and his company out on here or ask the Ben does experts. Seems to be your prefered method. What ever floats your boat.

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Okay BBI then? Has to be one or the other.

they share the same stadium

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As a BBI parent, I questioned the powers that be as to why I had to pay $20 for the break-up dinner at the end of the season, when I am not even sure if my child will be able to attend (no date has been given). It would seem a tad money grabbing to levy each representative player for a dinner that they may not want/ or be able to attend. I questioned whether I would get a refund if my child was unable to attend and was told, I had signed away my rights to a refund when I signed the Players agreement form.
I also questioned the validity of the $55 fee per child for Acceleration Australia to come to the team trainings, supposedly once a week, to teach them how to warm up correctly. I stated that I did not want my child to participate in this and could this please be deducted from the bill. I was told that it was a decision made my BBI and that I did not have any say about this cost and if I was not happy with the cost then to take my child to another association. Our coaches volunteer to teach our children.... I would prefer to contribute the money towards them than pay an overpriced group of trainers come in and teach our children how to warm up and improve their core body strength. Could not our Caoching Director, Development Officer or other such Qualified individual take on this role. They could teach our coaches how to do it properly if BBI thinks that our children need this. On calculation, Acceleration Australia is earning about $8000.00 for their effort. Pretty good deal if you ask me!!!!. I am sure that you could get someone for much cheaper that could come in and teach the coaches how to do these things. Now that I would pay for.
We were advised of these costs after the representative trials had been finished and as such it was too late to 'jump ship' and go to another association, as most of them had already picked their teams.
I am prepared to pay for the rest of the costs and told BBI as such, however as a consumer, I feel that I have the right to question the costs that they are imposing upon us. To collect money for a break-up dinner that will be scheduled for after the season is finished is outright highway robbery. No matter how many people attend the dinner, BBI will not be out of pocket as they only pay for those that go..... by making people pay early they will actually make money. In business, you do not pay for a service that you do not want.
$75.00 is better in my pocket than in BBI coffers (as well as Acceleration Australias).
I have been told that I have to pay these costs and was told in no uncertain terms that if I didn't like it, go elsewhere (the person who told me this is fully aware that this option is not available as grading games have already been played.
My choices are: pay up and shut up or walk or as was suggested, get myself onto the Committee so that I have a say.
There are far more than 4 disgruntled parents and BBI are aware of this. Their answer to any query is .... 'other associations charge more', 'you have signed the Player Agreement form so you have to pay', 'it is our decision and you have to pay' or 'take you child elsewhere if you are unhappy'


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As A BBI parent I was a bit surprised by the increase in the fees this year, esp as I have mulitple kids playing but at the end of the day I have to applaud the new BBI committee for trying a few new things, no doubt some of them will work, some won't and hopefully the ones that don't will be looked at and re jigged or cancelled. The AA program can only be good for the kids and I am happy to pay the $55 or whatever for my kids to have exposure to that very important side of the sport and it is cheaper than going to individual session with AA, hopefully the kids will listen and take something away from those sessions. Re the $20 for rep dinner, I have never attended one myself never felt the need but it seems obvious that BBI are trying encourage attandance to make it a worthwhile evening and prepayment is the method of encouragement this year.

End of the day carn't please everyone but I like want BBI are trying to do, time will tell if it has been a success and change is a ongoing process!

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Hopefully BBI can offest some of their costs by using the wind farms they have installed over the main courts to power the suburb of Auchenflower.

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I Love those fans !!!

[number55]

Hey, don't diss the wind farm...those fans had a soothing effect on me on Sunday, could sit there and watch them go round and round for hours :)

[Arnie]

They remind me of the fans in Total Recall.

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The problem with basketball is that we are marketing a very high-level program to the few, rather than an attractive program to the many. As a result of spending too much money on "elite" programs, we have ignored the grass roots, This has lead to more monetary pressures on those who remain - including a need to levy larger fees from representative players to augment the income stream.



Since when has Rep Basketball been considered Grass Roots or The masses. Your post seems to contradict itself in this way. Rep Basketball is the Elite Program that an Association offers. It is also user pays. I'm sure if you look at the Money Generated by any association from Rep, most of it goes back to cover costs. Be it Court Hire for training, BQJBC rego fee, Attire, Bags, Additional Training or whatever. These are not cash cows. Some associations have different requirements for their rep players, in BBI's case it sounds like they want all players to benefit from AA's programs and have made it compulsary and costed their program accordingly. This is no different to some associations making Warm-Up tops Compulsary while others don't. Some make dress shirts compulsary, others don't. BBI seem to be going for a professional approach but still keeping their rep price comparable to other associations so does not sound all bad.

For reference my association charges $10/week for training(about $220 all up), $25 Rep Fee (Covers Team Nomination fee & trophy at seasons end), plus $10/game (with any overpayment by team going towards teams classics costs), plus Classics Fees (usually around $100per player) plus optional purchase of shooting shirt, Polo Shirt, Bag, Tracksuit.

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Since when has Rep Basketball been considered Grass Roots or The masses. Your post seems to contradict itself in this way. Rep Basketball is the Elite Program that an Association offers. .
State Juniors/NBL/Boomers/QBL/SEABL/NBA is elite. Junior Rep basketball is Junior rep basketball.
(Still doesnt mean rep juniors cant benefit from the supurb programs that Acceleration Australia provides to the State and NBL programs)

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The best way to find out the answer to this question is to ask Stewart Briggs the man behind Acceleration. I have always found him to be most accomadating and a straight shooting kinda guy. He is at the stadium most days, or give him a ring if you really want to know.

Or you can continue to bag him and his company out on here or ask the Ben does experts. Seems to be your prefered method. What ever floats your boat.

I didn't bag him or his company, maybe you have problem reading.

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We haven't got the resouces to fund a team in the NBL, so it makes sense that there is no money for development at junior level, and that we have to fund our own competitions. It's all user pays.

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State Juniors/NBL/Boomers/QBL/SEABL/NBA is elite. Junior Rep basketball is Junior rep basketball.
(Still doesnt mean rep juniors cant benefit from the supurb programs that Acceleration Australia provides to the State and NBL programs)

If these are the elite programs, how does Brisbane (or any other association) raising their rep fees fund these elite pathways, because you said Rep Basketball had an increased levy to support elite competitions. Sounds like the higher fees are getting more for the participants who pay the higher fees.

Because those Rep fees do not cover Sate Juniors/NBL/Boomers etc...

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Sounds like the higher fees are getting more for the participants who pay the higher fees.
Because those Rep fees do not cover Sate Juniors/NBL/Boomers etc...
Sounds like your stating the obvious. And the argument is?

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Since when has Rep Basketball been considered Grass Roots or The masses. Your post seems to contradict itself in this way.

You missed the point. The question was, essentially, "how do we make rep basketball more affordable?" My answer to that was to develop the lesser players rather than the elite players, thereby building a player base and providing a larger source of income to the associations. By looking at it with tunnel vision, we're not going to improve anything.

Rep Basketball is the Elite Program that an Association offers. It is also user pays. I'm sure if you look at the Money Generated by any association from Rep, most of it goes back to cover costs.

For a given value of "most" certainly. Most is not "all", is it? Don't pretend that associations do not gain revenue from representative basketball. The revenue may well be all spent on one thing or another, I'm not accusing anyone of corruption - the revenue is needed. But it's still costing more than it might if there were other revenue streams available. And even if representative basketball is completely user pays and every cent paid goes exactly to representative basketball, there are many other areas of elite development where, in my opinion, we would be better off spending that money on large-scale promotion of the sport.

To return this paragraph directly on topic, what I'm saying is that to reduce representative costs, we need to find the money elsewhere.

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BBI seem to be going for a professional approach but still keeping their rep price comparable to other associations so does not sound all bad.

Not sure you noticed, but there's no real national basketball league at the moment. And here we have a number of parents complaining of the increased costs for rep. We're doing something wrong here. Something needs to change.

For reference my association charges $10/week for training(about $220 all up), $25 Rep Fee (Covers Team Nomination fee & trophy at seasons end), plus $10/game (with any overpayment by team going towards teams classics costs), plus Classics Fees (usually around $100per player) plus optional purchase of shooting shirt, Polo Shirt, Bag, Tracksuit.

Sounds quite reasonable. But if only each association had a larger pool of money to perhaps "sponsor" a representative side, rather than require such a large contribution from some?

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I would like to know how much they pay at Logan and Sth West for the rep programme???

Can I make it clear that BBI's costs of $395 does NOT include game fees but does include the inhouse personal trainers who are supposed to come every week for every rep teams training and do core strength work for all of 5 minutes with 2 teams at a time. (really individual attention - not). This unneccessary service costs each kid $55. Already there have been no shows from the trainers so shall be interesting to see if we get our money's worth.

Can I also say that BBI's coaches are fantastic and very dedicated tis just a shame the admin has lost their way with this whole programme. It will be interesting to see next year how many people cross the river to play at BBI. (since their have been massive movement this year, again welcomed by BBI admin without any clear policy or even membership before trialling.)

To the person who said they didn't bag AA, well the person who wrote the bit above did. Not sure which of the tiny minority of disgruntled parents put this up here; but FALSELY accusing AA of not showing up is bagging their business. That simply did/has not happened, but hey don't let the thruth get in the way of a good story.

Saying for "all of 5 minutes" is another flat out lie. Every team/child will get 6 hours of group instruction by AA. They normally charge around $50 per hour minimum for individual sessions. BBI is exsposing every rep player and Coach to world class; cutting edge technology in the field of strength and conditioning. All rep coaches are also being taught this, and the hope is that it will all filter down to the club coaches, thus improving the standard at the base. Not a bad deal for roughly a dollar a week to each rep player?

So yes Virgina there are people namelessly and falsely bagging out BBI admin and Acceleration Australia. Imagine that a tiny minority hiding behind a computer and telling lies. What is the world coming too??

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But if only each association had a larger pool of money to perhaps "sponsor" a representative side, rather than require such a large contribution from some?

So what you're saying is Associations need to work harder at generating income from Club Games, charging the masses more, or higher canteen costs perhaps so they can subsidise rep programs.

Using BBI as an example (as their fees seem to have caused the outrage), they have very unused court space as is so getting more kids playing would mean hiring external venues so would not increase revenue much, the only way they could increase revenue from club games would be to charge more per game, making everyone pay. BBI may be able to subsidise rep from existing revenue if they cut down to one rep team per age group, but that would not be popular with the members or good for development. It would also be another example of Money only being spent on the elite. So I can't see an easy way for participation in the sport to increase funding.

If you own a business and would like to Sponsor an Associations Rep Program that would be appreciated and could dramatically lower everyones costs, but I doubt that's the case.


So good luck in your quest to find a way for someone else to pay for YOUR child to get the benefit of 3-4 hrs of good level coaching each week + a competitive game each week.

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To the person who said they didn't bag AA, well the person who wrote the bit above did. Not sure which of the tiny minority of disgruntled parents put this up here; but FALSELY accusing AA of not showing up is bagging their business. That simply did/has not happened, but hey don't let the thruth get in the way of a good story.

Saying for "all of 5 minutes" is another flat out lie. Every team/child will get 6 hours of group instruction by AA. They normally charge around $50 per hour minimum for individual sessions. BBI is exsposing every rep player and Coach to world class; cutting edge technology in the field of strength and conditioning. All rep coaches are also being taught this, and the hope is that it will all filter down to the club coaches, thus improving the standard at the base. Not a bad deal for roughly a dollar a week to each rep player?

So yes Virgina there are people namelessly and falsely bagging out BBI admin and Acceleration Australia. Imagine that a tiny minority hiding behind a computer and telling lies. What is the world coming too??

I have experienced first hand the benefits of having a qualified trainer come to practice sessions. I also have a daughter who plays netball. Her representative team had the incredible benefit of having him come once a week for 1- 1 1/2 hours per session to put the whole team through a vigourous strength and conditioning programme. I attended every training session and watched this team improve week by week . The point is though, that he catered the programme to the individual needs of the team, improved individual players weaknesses as he identified them, altered the sessions for any player that was injured at the time and attended the games to evaluate the performance and adjust where necessary.
Yes I had to pay and I was happy to (the costs were included in the fees - $250.00 for the season however the Association put in place avenues to keep it at this by getting the players to run skills sessions in the holidays for young up and coming netballers and the monies generated were used to keep the fees low). I would gladly pay this for my daughter who plays basketball... whomever happened to be employed to do it.
And just so I cannot be accused of hiding behind a computer .... my name is Robyn Friend (BBI parent)

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So what you're saying is Associations need to work harder at generating income from Club Games, charging the masses more, or higher canteen costs perhaps so they can subsidise rep programs.

Using BBI as an example (as their fees seem to have caused the outrage), they have very unused court space as is so getting more kids playing would mean hiring external venues so would not increase revenue much, the only way they could increase revenue from club games would be to charge more per game, making everyone pay. BBI may be able to subsidise rep from existing revenue if they cut down to one rep team per age group, but that would not be popular with the members or good for development. It would also be another example of Money only being spent on the elite. So I can't see an easy way for participation in the sport to increase funding.

If you own a business and would like to Sponsor an Associations Rep Program that would be appreciated and could dramatically lower everyones costs, but I doubt that's the case.


So good luck in your quest to find a way for someone else to pay for YOUR child to get the benefit of 3-4 hrs of good level coaching each week + a competitive game each week.


I didn't think rep teams were allowed to have advertising on their uniforms or warm up tops? When it comes down to it most businesses want value for money ie. advertising for their $$$$. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about the uniforms.

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So what you're saying is Associations need to work harder at generating income from Club Games,

Yes.


Charging the masses more, or higher canteen costs perhaps so they can subsidise rep programs.

No. And this is exactly the narrow thinking I'm trying to avoid. Charging more is not the solution, for anyone - charging more is what we're trying to avoid.


Using BBI as an example (as their fees seem to have caused the outrage), they have very unused court space as is so getting more kids playing would mean hiring external venues so would not increase revenue much,

Then it would seem to me that we should be making better use of what we have or be seeking to own more venues. If BBI is at capacity, why is not every red cent being spent on expansion of facilities? Surely that's a no-brainer in terms of increasing revenue and net income?

Or is the reason things are getting more expensive because all the money is being spent on sand for people to stick their heads in so they can pretend everything is ok? That we aren't bleeding players to AFL and that it really doesn't matter that there's no real national league?

the only way they could increase revenue from club games would be to charge more per game, making everyone pay. BBI may be able to subsidise rep from existing revenue if they cut down to one rep team per age group, but that would not be popular with the members or good for development. It would also be another example of Money only being spent on the elite.

More sand stuff. You're double-teamed in the back court and trying to dribble through two defenders. How about you outlet below for the kick upcourt to the open man?

So I can't see an easy way for participation in the sport to increase funding.

No, I suspect that you honestly can't. A pity.

If you own a business and would like to Sponsor an Associations Rep Program that would be appreciated and could dramatically lower everyones costs, but I doubt that's the case.

We can't wait around for handouts, we have to develop a product that sponsors will buy. You know this, of course, but I don't see why you can't take the next step and see what we have to do to create such a product.

So good luck in your quest to find a way for someone else to pay for YOUR child to get the benefit of 3-4 hrs of good level coaching each week + a competitive game each week.

Another one of those, huh? That's sad. I'm a volunteer with no familial ties to junior basketball or financial ties to basketball at all. Although I can certainly see a market for sand.

Is everyone asleep? Are we unable to see that what we are doing now is not working? That we are losing our core players to AFL? That we no longer have a real national competition? That even our biggest customers are unhappy with the product we are providing?

Of course, we are. It's standard practice, it seems, to stick our heads in the sand, hope everything will be ok and accuse anyone who has a problem with it of bias or corruption. We're all no different to the shill for AA above who, when faced with a dissatisfied customer, abused the customer, instead of examined how they could improve the relationship or increase the observable value of their product.

My ideas may not be the best, but they're sure as hell better than doing what we've been doing all along - at least mine haven't been proven not to work.

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There is another thread in the Juniors Section for State team trials...look at those costs....$35 State team nomination fee....WTF....$35 to what...fill out a piece of paper, and then $15 court hire fees....can understand the court hire costs....not...shouldn't BQ pay for this...if 40 kids tune up at $15 each...this is way more than court hire costs....not to mention the $35 X 40 for nomination fees.....money for jam....???

Yeh, what you said...... compare with lower ages the same as last year
$35 plus lunch and recovery ........ $50, no lunch and no recovery this year..... what the reasoning.... where does THAT money go?

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The best way to find out the answer to this question is to ask Stewart Briggs the man behind Acceleration. I have always found him to be most accomadating and a straight shooting kinda guy. He is at the stadium most days, or give him a ring if you really want to know.

Or you can continue to bag him and his company out on here or ask the Ben does experts. Seems to be your prefered method. What ever floats your boat.

Coudn't agree more - AA has live long benefits for any kid, if they pick up on only a small amount, they will benefit, utilize the information now at that cheap price, I only wish our Association could do this.
As to rep Luncheon fee, that has been part of our fees for ever. You don't feel it over the season, and if you don't go, maybe that can be your donation to your association, and knowing how hard it is to get a dollar, they will spend it wisely.

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As A BBI parent I was a bit surprised by the increase in the fees

Maybe the increase in fees is covering the costs of their senior teams maybe entering SEABL next year???

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Yes.

My ideas may not be the best, but they're sure as hell better than doing what we've been doing all along - at least mine haven't been proven not to work.

What ideas????

You keep talking about people's heads in the sand, which is definetely a fact, but not a productive idea.

You talk about players going to AFL, but offer no action to stem the flow.

You talk about changing our product to attract more money, change to what???

You talk about spending more money on facilities. What Money???

I agree with the problems you raise, although feel I had your point of view wrong at first, attributing the rise in rep fees to these problems, but would now say the issues you're raising have little to with rep fees but more the holes in the management of the sport as a whole.

So you have identified valid concerns for our sport, but to my reckoning have offered no ideas that an association, state or national body could explore.

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Something needs to change.



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Reckon your right. You...to another (cheaper) Club.

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You people can argue all you want, look into the costs, closely, and BBI are making a profit from the rep players, and these are the players they should be looking after. Having said that, stay tuned for next year as I have a feeling change is in the air. Don't get excited about cheaper fees, just better bang for your buck.

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What ideas????



I gave three in my original post.

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You people can argue all you want, look into the costs, closely, and BBI are making a profit from the rep players, and these are the players they should be looking after. Having said that, stay tuned for next year as I have a feeling change is in the air. Don't get excited about cheaper fees, just better bang for your buck.

I would hardly think 'profit' is the right word. Chances are the money will go back into the program or the association. It would find things like better facilities, improved rep program and maybe towards the seniors program.

The whole idea of rep basketball is to take your good players, give them the best facilities you can and nurture them thru to your senior program. Anything along this line deserves money to be put towards it♠

So for this to happen a little bit more needs to be taken here and there to make things better. Rep players use facilities more than club players do.

At the end of the day, and although I hate to say it - but if you dont like it dont play rep, or at least dont play rep for Brisbane.

No system is perfect, but the current committee are trying damn hard. I dont like the labor govt and all the extra taxes im facing, for things like insulation and spending sprees, but guess what im stuck with him, so ill stick it at for another year than cast another vote. Alternatively ill put my hand up an run in my eloctorate if i really want to see things changed

You could always do same

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You people can argue all you want, look into the costs, closely, and BBI are making a profit from the rep players, and these are the players they should be looking after. Having said that, stay tuned for next year as I have a feeling change is in the air. Don't get excited about cheaper fees, just better bang for your buck.
Not sure you could get more bang for your buck in a junior rep/development program than Brisbane give.
Was asked recently to recomend a club for the daughter of close friends both of whom played NBL/WNBL level but been out of basketball for 15 years or so. I love to hate the Brissos as much as anyone but had to objectively realise that BBI probably best suited the childs potential needs and so recomended the BBI.
Was absolutley stunned this week to receive a copy of an email from her rep coach onforwarded for my opinion where the coach provides a personal review of the childs performance last week highlighting and encouraging her strengths and gently suggesting areas of focus for improvement at the next game. Some inspirational messages and gentle reinforcement of the Clubs coaching philosopy along with links to drills and coaching websites.
In Spain Greece and Croatia they provide this level of development to U/10 players only thing is those coaches are paid a full time attractive salary and at BBI the coaches would most likely be doing it for love of basketball and a social conscience for the welfare of children. Will probably not be able to stop from 'booing a brisso' but man you have to admire the level of expertise and service provided to their junior players and their development.

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Please could everyone note that none of the parents from BBI have ever negatively commented on the coaches at BBI. They are all fantastic!!!!(and so are the assist coaches and team managers).
It is a shame that this arguement/discussion board ended up with the tone of 'if you don't like it , leave' as the solution. This is a democracy last time I checked and one should be allowed to express an opinion about costs.

Would still love to know the rep fees at Logan, just out of curiousity.

Anyway the season has started, the kids love it and the payers just have to pay.

AGM next year though no doubt will be interesting.

[qldpies35]

Please could everyone note that none of the parents from BBI have ever negatively commented on the coaches at BBI. They are all fantastic!!!!(and so are the assist coaches and team managers).
It is a shame that this arguement/discussion board ended up with the tone of 'if you don't like it , leave' as the solution. This is a democracy last time I checked and one should be allowed to express an opinion about costs.

Would still love to know the rep fees at Logan, just out of curiousity.

Anyway the season has started, the kids love it and the payers just have to pay.

AGM next year though no doubt will be interesting.

The fees you pay for rep are expensive when you add in the club fees that a child has to pay plus the weekly fee to play and the registration from the centre where you pay. The families need to see 2 things happen for it to be worthwhile. 1 their child has to enjoy playing in the team and having a great time and making friends and 2 their child has to be showing some improvement. If your child is the number 9 or 10 player in the team it can be frustrating paying to watch them sit on the bench if they are not gaining some improvement through the training they are doing. A lot of the coaches need to bear this in mind when they coach a team, not to focus solely on the starting players but to make sure the whole team is benefitting from the experience. That doesn't mean you need to give everyone equal court time but you must be able to demonstrate to the parents some improvement in their child. If they can see an improvement then the issue of fees is a little bit irrelevant.

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Please could everyone note that none of the parents from BBI have ever negatively commented on the coaches at BBI. They are all fantastic!!!!(and so are the assist coaches and team managers).
It is a shame that this arguement/discussion board ended up with the tone of 'if you don't like it , leave' as the solution. This is a democracy last time I checked and one should be allowed to express an opinion about costs.

Would still love to know the rep fees at Logan, just out of curiousity.

Anyway the season has started, the kids love it and the payers just have to pay.

AGM next year though no doubt will be interesting.

The rep fees at logan are $25 pw which covers 2 training session and the rep game fee. The cost to hire courts for training is where the majority of the money goes. If there is surplus at the end of the season the manager usually pays for the teams classic photo and the rep prize giving luncheon.

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The rep fees at logan are $25 pw which covers 2 training session and the rep game fee. The cost to hire courts for training is where the majority of the money goes. If there is surplus at the end of the season the manager usually pays for the teams classic photo and the rep prize giving luncheon.


Team nomination for Classics is also paid for from the surplus team money at end of BQJBC season.