The spectrum of colour

[Jeanelle Hurst]

Recently I was driving a car load of girls to a basketball activity.
The girls were speaking about tanning. the usual stuff, how to get the perfect tan.

One of the girls sitting quietly in the front of the car responded, saying that she hated going out in the sun.
I looked at her, wondering why a kid with dark skin would be so worried about skin damage.

I asked her why she wouldn’t go out in the sun.
She said, “because it would make her darker”.

The other girls and I were stunned by her response.
Since speaking with this girl I have asked other girls the same question.
Girls of different ethnic backgrounds and social groupings.

The common response has been - ‘because I don’t want to get any darker’.
When pressed for why, one girl said that boys don’t like girls who are too dark.

She told me of a boy who said to her, “you’re really pretty but you’re just too black”.

[The Doctor]

Recently I was driving a car load of girls to a basketball activity.
The girls were speaking about tanning. the usual stuff, how to get the perfect tan.

One of the girls sitting quietly in the front of the car responded, saying that she hated going out in the sun.
I looked at her, wondering why a kid with dark skin would be so worried about skin damage.

I asked her why she wouldn’t go out in the sun.
She said, “because it would make her darker”.

The other girls and I were stunned by her response.
Since speaking with this girl I have asked other girls the same question.
Girls of different ethnic backgrounds and social groupings.


The common response has been - ‘because I don’t want to get any darker’.
When pressed for why, one girl said that boys don’t like girls who are too dark.

She told me of a boy who said to her, “you’re really pretty but you’re just too black”.

Jeanelle,

This is a racial issue that is unfortunately quite common in SEQ. It happens amongst private schools in Brisbane and unfortunately the teachers are usually more vocalin their opions.

Anyway probably a good idea to stay out of the sun in QLD.

[Unregistered]

Jeanelle,

This is a racial issue that is unfortunately quite common in SEQ. It happens amongst private schools in Brisbane and unfortunately the teachers are usually more vocalin their opions.

Anyway probably a good idea to stay out of the sun in QLD.

Dito skin cancer and scars don't look good be happy with the colour you were born with and protect it at all times. Its whats inside that counts wall away from idiots.

[Jeanelle Hurst]

This is a racial issue that is unfortunately quite common in SEQ. It happens amongst private schools in Brisbane and unfortunately the teachers are usually more vocalin their opions.



Many Australians would be offended by suggestions that racial issues cloud and confuse our interaction with others.

And yet there are racial issues erupting in our backyard.

Auchenflower, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.

How can this be ?

[Unregistered]

Jeanelle,

This is a racial issue that is unfortunately quite common in SEQ. It happens amongst private schools in Brisbane and unfortunately the teachers are usually more vocalin their opions.

Anyway probably a good idea to stay out of the sun in QLD.

It is a sad issue but I think you'll find it's any school, any where, not just private schools...

[Unregistered]

This is a racial issue that is unfortunately quite common in SEQ. It happens amongst private schools in Brisbane and unfortunately the teachers are usually more vocalin their opions.



Many Australians would be offended by suggestions that racial issues cloud and confuse our interaction with others.

And yet there are racial issues erupting in our backyard.

Auchenflower, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.

How can this be ?
Hey Janelle, very big statement alleging 'racial issues' are erupting at Auchenflower in Basketball. Any person or group of people, regardless of race, colour or heritage, behaving in the manner described in the various witness statements to police and who were in breach of every code of conduct surrounding the sport as well as common law would be subject to the same basketball sanctions and penalties or imprisonment under law.
When a group of people, a gang if you like, threaten, intimidate, abuse and assault referees and club officials going about their duty they are subjet to the laws of the country they inhabit and break those laws under the same penalties as all Australians.

This is how it can be.

[Jeanelle Hurst]

Hello, perhaps you would like to identify yourself and list the breaches of the code of conduct.

[Unregistered]

1) 4 Statements given by the POLICE as follows – NIL disturbance
Wait not to mention many statements given by Independent witnesses, Parents and organisations that were there to support the young kids and the game also disputes and disagrees with the statements give to POLICE by BBI STAFF.

2) Trying to suggest the Young People broke the code of conduct and even worst the common low and they would be imprisoned ... you got to be joking..... the police were called and if they did such a thing guess what they would have been charged and prosecuted. Shame on you ... Trying to also create this fear.... calling them a “GANG” wow.... i guess you proved my point.... SHAME on you once again.


If only the public were there to witness how the TEAMS were treated and how poorly SOME BBI staff behaved. And lastly no referees and club officials were threatened, abused or assaulted.... intimidated maybe so thats because they weren’t use to so many different diverse faces under the roofs of Auchenflower.

[Unregistered]

1) 4 Statements given by the POLICE as follows – NIL disturbance
Wait not to mention many statements given by Independent witnesses, Parents and organisations that were there to support the young kids and the game also disputes and disagrees with the statements give to POLICE by BBI STAFF.

[Jeanelle Hurst]

Hey Janelle, very big statement alleging 'racial issues' are erupting at Auchenflower in Basketball. Any person or group of people, regardless of race, colour or heritage, behaving in the manner described in the various witness statements to police and who were in breach of every code of conduct surrounding the sport as well as common law would be subject to the same basketball sanctions and penalties or imprisonment under law.
When a group of people, a gang if you like, threaten, intimidate, abuse and assault referees and club officials going about their duty they are subjet to the laws of the country they inhabit and break those laws under the same penalties as all Australians.

This is how it can be.


Perhaps we need to ask ourselves the following question.

How is it that the U18 & U20 men’s teams competed throughout the entire season without incident.

Not one complaint was made in relation to the two teams.

On the night of the finals the U18 men’s team competed and won the final in a calm and disciplined environment.

The U20 men’s team final followed the U18 team game.

The U 20 team played and lost in an emotionally charged environment and scenario that that has been documented from two very different perspectives and from a broad range of witnesses.

As you have stated this is an important issue. An issue that the Basketball Queensland state wide community of players, parents, coaches and administrators may be interested in and may wish to take the time to address and participate in the solving of this issue.

It appears that the teams in question and all other teams associated with PAWES have not been evicted from competition at BBI as a result of the events on the night of the finals at Auchenflower.

It seems that the teams in question and all other teams associated with PAWES have been evicted in response to a victimisation complaint made to and accepted by the Anti-discrimination Commission.

I do have another question.

How many members of the BBI community made an effort to meet and greet the new african refugee players. To get to know them, to greet them with smiles and to acknowledge them as team members, not just within their own teams but within the wider BBI community of clubs and teams.

How many members of the BBI community could identify individual players by face, personality and name.

[Unregistered]

The U 20 team played and lost in an emotionally charged environment and scenario that that has been documented from two very different perspectives and from a broad range of witnesses.

As you have stated this is an important issue. An issue that the Basketball Queensland state wide community of players, parents, coaches and administrators may be interested in and may wish to take the time to address and participate in the solving of this issue.

It appears that the teams in question and all other teams associated with PAWES have not been evicted from competition at BBI as a result of the events on the night of the finals at Auchenflower.

It seems that the teams in question and all other teams associated with PAWES have been evicted in response to a victimisation complaint made to and accepted by the Anti-discrimination Commission.

I do have another question.

How many members of the BBI community made an effort to meet and greet the new african refugee players. To get to know them, to greet them with smiles and to acknowledge them as team members, not just within their own teams but within the wider BBI community of clubs and teams.

How many members of the BBI community could identify individual players by face, personality and name.
How many members of the BBI community roved around popping balloons and defacing decorations that clubs were trying to put up for their GF day celebrations? (A GF day tradition thats been there as long as the club) How many members of the BBI community threw a handful of coins at a woman volunteer from point blank range ahead of a tirade of foul language and sexual innuendo? How many members of the BBI community threatened to murder referees?
Answer? NONE! Thats why they are still members of the BBI community.

[Unregistered]

Recently I was driving a car load of girls to a basketball activity.
The girls were speaking about tanning. the usual stuff, how to get the perfect tan.

One of the girls sitting quietly in the front of the car responded, saying that she hated going out in the sun.
I looked at her, wondering why a kid with dark skin would be so worried about skin damage.

I asked her why she wouldn’t go out in the sun.
She said, “because it would make her darker”.

The other girls and I were stunned by her response.
Since speaking with this girl I have asked other girls the same question.
Girls of different ethnic backgrounds and social groupings.

The common response has been - ‘because I don’t want to get any darker’.
When pressed for why, one girl said that boys don’t like girls who are too dark.

She told me of a boy who said to her, “you’re really pretty but you’re just too black”.

I heard a similar comment from a beautiful dark skinned girl talking to my beautiful very fair skinned daughter as we were driving to basketball, the irony being the fair child wants to be dark, and the dark child fair. This being two very happy teenagers not happy with what they were given.
I don't want to trivialize racism, it has marked our collective pasts with ignorance, and even today I'm occasionally shocked with a comment or action, but surely the forward movements society have made is something to be proud of....so long as it keeps moving forward.

[Jeanelle Hurst]

How many members of the BBI community roved around popping balloons and defacing decorations that clubs were trying to put up for their GF day celebrations? (A GF day tradition thats been there as long as the club) How many members of the BBI community threw a handful of coins at a woman volunteer from point blank range ahead of a tirade of foul language and sexual innuendo? How many members of the BBI community threatened to murder referees?
Answer? NONE! Thats why they are still members of the BBI community.


Perhaps you would like to identify yourself and post copies of the witness statements detailing the threats to murder the referees.



The children who burst the balloons on the night of the finals had no idea the balloons were to be used the following day.

If the children and the spectators had been introduced to the history and traditions of the BBI family I feel sure that the balloons would not have been burst.

The children were reacting to the excitement and fun of the evening as kids do and traditionally at the end of an event balloons are distributed amongst children to play with and bursting them is part of the fun.

This was an innocent celebratory action by children that has been taken out of context and turned into a sinister and malevolent reaction and is being used to further justify the eviction of the PAWES teams.

The girl in question who threw the coins had been collecting money in goodwill to pay for the balloons that had been burst by the children..

The girl reacted out of character when she became overwhelmed and confused by the reaction of the BBI management.

She's a kid who tried to do the right thing..but reacted to a situation that had by that time started to spiral out of control.

Please try to look at this situation from more than one perspective.

These are children and young men and women who went to BBI on the night of the finals in good faith.

[Unregistered]

How many members of the BBI community roved around popping balloons and defacing decorations that clubs were trying to put up for their GF day celebrations? (A GF day tradition thats been there as long as the club) How many members of the BBI community threw a handful of coins at a woman volunteer from point blank range ahead of a tirade of foul language and sexual innuendo? How many members of the BBI community threatened to murder referees?
Answer? NONE! Thats why they are still members of the BBI community.


You state how many members of the BBI community roved around popping Balloons..... actually many did throughout the night... with video footage to support that. Also don’t try to make it a US against THEM story as these kids (YES KIDS) want to be part of the BBI community but are being stopped by ignorant and selfish persons within our organisation who have stepped the mark and have no choice but to keep on trying to justify their ignorance and lack of understanding by creating a smoke affect hoping to hide the underlying issue. Also there were only approx 8 Balloons so lets not say decorations (yes i have seen a video footage of the previous game before the Hoop Dreamz game which shows the amount of Balloons). I’ve spoken with “the other side” and being a part of the BBI community i feel ashamed as a result of this issue. If BBI didn’t have anything to hide we wouldn’t try to be justifying our actions through sites like these.
Lets try to deal with the real issue and stop blaming kids for un ethical and un professional behaviour and out bursts by BBI Staff.

[Jeanelle Hurst]

4 Pawes teams have been training to enter the BBI competition in the upcoming season.

The two teams discussed above who have found themselves at this epicenter of angst

And a girls team which has been training at Yerongpilly TAFE for the past six months under the guidance of David Yohan (coach and PAWES co-ordinator).

This team is in need of a female coach who would enjoy the challenge of coaching teenage girls with enormous energy and willingness to learn.

Further David Yohan has been training and developing a team of juniors. Many of these 8 – 10 year old kids have been travelling on public transport with older brothers and sisters from as far away as Bracken Ridge and Goodna to train with David at Yerongpilly.

Traditionally this site ….Ben Does…. has been a place where anonymity and ripem apart comments rule..

Perhaps we could use this site….at this point in time…to explore and understand what happened at BBI.

And learn from it and move on.. there are kids training and waiting in limbo to play..and they have the right to play together in their teams at BBI.

We have a duty of care to all children and youth to give them a fair hearing and a fair go.

[Unregistered]

Perhaps you would like to identify yourself and post copies of the witness statements detailing the threats to murder the referees.



The children who burst the balloons on the night of the finals had no idea the balloons were to be used the following day.

If the children and the spectators had been introduced to the history and traditions of the BBI family I feel sure that the balloons would not have been burst.

The children were reacting to the excitement and fun of the evening as kids do and traditionally at the end of an event balloons are distributed amongst children to play with and bursting them is part of the fun.

This was an innocent celebratory action by children that has been taken out of context and turned into a sinister and malevolent reaction and is being used to further justify the eviction of the PAWES teams.

The girl in question who threw the coins had been collecting money in goodwill to pay for the balloons that had been burst by the children..

The girl reacted out of character when she became overwhelmed and confused by the reaction of the BBI management.

She's a kid who tried to do the right thing..but reacted to a situation that had by that time started to spiral out of control.

Please try to look at this situation from more than one perspective.

These are children and young men and women who went to BBI on the night of the finals in good faith.
Gees lady your story keeps changing all the time. First there was absolutely nothing happened and all your crew were pure as the driven snow. Then it went to well, some stuff happened, but it was 'emotion charged' and out of character. Then, well yes there was coin throwing and stuff but it was 'in good faith' etc etc. The witness statements actually dont vary and reflect what dozens of fair minded people actually saw and heard. No. Wont be identifying myself and I dont want that crew turning up on my door with their threats and violence. Take your crusaders soap box somewhere else.

[Unregistered]

Perhaps if the teams are unhappy with the BBI community they should join another association. There are plenty to choose from, South West, Ipswich, Spartans, Wizards. If they are already catching public transport to get to games and training, just catch it to a different area!

[Unregistered]

4 Pawes teams have been training to enter the BBI competition in the upcoming season.

The two teams discussed above who have found themselves at this epicenter of angst

And a girls team which has been training at Yerongpilly TAFE for the past six months under the guidance of David Yohan (coach and PAWES co-ordinator).

This team is in need of a female coach who would enjoy the challenge of coaching teenage girls with enormous energy and willingness to learn.

Further David Yohan has been training and developing a team of juniors. Many of these 8 – 10 year old kids have been travelling on public transport with older brothers and sisters from as far away as Bracken Ridge and Goodna to train with David at Yerongpilly.

Traditionally this site ….Ben Does…. has been a place where anonymity and ripem apart comments rule..

Perhaps we could use this site….at this point in time…to explore and understand what happened at BBI.

And learn from it and move on.. there are kids training and waiting in limbo to play..and they have the right to play together in their teams at BBI.

We have a duty of care to all children and youth to give them a fair hearing and a fair go.
As David Yohan has a duty of care under the coaches code of ethics (assume he is accredited and has read it) to abide by all rules and by laws of the Association and BQ/BA, the coaches code of conduct, the Fair Play rules and common law. Families volunteers spectators and referees have a right to a fair go too. Everyone has learnt from it and moved forward...to endure BBI is a safe place for law abiding people to enjoy basketball in safety and harrassment free.

[Unregistered]

For readers from other associations, can we be clear here that the under 18 game was a division 2 game and there was only one division of under 20 players last year.
(Elite players preferring to jump to under 23 or senior competition)

This is not to denigrate anyone or make any comment whatsoever on who was right and who was wrong, simply that the exact details that are not disputed should be known.

[Jeanelle Hurst]

Gees lady your story keeps changing all the time. First there was absolutely nothing happened and all your crew were pure as the driven snow. Then it went to well, some stuff happened, but it was 'emotion charged' and out of character. Then, well yes there was coin throwing and stuff but it was 'in good faith' etc etc. The witness statements actually dont vary and reflect what dozens of fair minded people actually saw and heard. No. Wont be identifying myself and I dont want that crew turning up on my door with their threats and violence. Take your crusaders soap box somewhere else.

Hi young man, i'm speaking quietly and with some humility. The story remains consistent with my belief that something happened at the BBI finals that demands an explanation and an equitable outcome for the children and young men and women.


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Perhaps if the teams are unhappy with the BBI community they should join another association. There are plenty to choose from, South West, Ipswich, Spartans, Wizards. If they are already catching public transport to get to games and training, just catch it to a different area!


If the argument that these children and youth are fundamentally violent and aggressive has any substance then BQ and BBI would be doing the other associations a major injustice by throwing these children and youth at their associations.

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As David Yohan has a duty of care under the coaches code of ethics (assume he is accredited and has read it) to abide by all rules and by laws of the Association and BQ/BA, the coaches code of conduct, the Fair Play rules and common law. Families volunteers spectators and referees have a right to a fair go too. Everyone has learnt from it and moved forward...to endure BBI is a safe place for law abiding people to enjoy basketball in safety and harrassment free.


David Yohan has brought credit and value to the national basketball community. He has supported and mentored marginalised kids from the full spectrum of colour...white, off white, light brown, dark brown, chocolate brown and black.

He is a remarkable young man who has abided by the rules, regulations and codes of ethic and is driven by the belief that these children and youth deserve a fair and just playing field.


There is a phenomenon that happens when our view of the world starts to change focus, when new shapes and colours are introduced.

One or two 'coloured' kids in a stadium is okay...3,4,5...maybe ten coloured kids in a stadium is maybe okay.... but when a stadium starts to fill with coloured kids and the number of coloured kids starts to outweigh the white kids......and achieve.......and win........then perhaps our focus and our judgements are at risk of emotional overload and we react out of character.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing...and i'm speaking quietly and without arrogance ....it's just one of those things that happens... we address,,,the issues.....we adjust.....our views and we get on with it.....

[Unregistered]

Not wanting to comment on last years GF not having been there but does the PAWES teams and David Yohan welcome and encourage players from other ethnicities and backgrounds? We ALL need to be doing the right thing where kids and sport are involved.

[Unregistered]

Not wanting to comment on last years GF not having been there but does the PAWES teams and David Yohan welcome and encourage players from other ethnicities and backgrounds? We ALL need to be doing the right thing where kids and sport are involved.

What i have read and seen is (www.pawes.com.au)

"Basketball is the first sport PAWES has implemented in order to develop teams for both girls and boys to participate in training and game fixtures. The majority of the young people who participate are refugees from the south side of Brisbane, but ALL young people from other suburbs and communities are also welcome to join and participate."

Pawes the organisation is established to help and assist ALL YOUNG people who come from "at risk, low socio economic & marginalized backgrounds to positively interact with the community by providing them recreation and educational sessions on related issues they may face, do face and where to seek support and help to deal with their matter/s."


We need more things like these in our society

[Jeanelle Hurst]

Not wanting to comment on last years GF not having been there but does the PAWES teams and David Yohan welcome and encourage players from other ethnicities and backgrounds? We ALL need to be doing the right thing where kids and sport are involved.


My heartfelt thanks that you would ask about PAWES.....


Yes...smiles..... Dave goes in to bat for kids from all nationalities...in fact he argues with funding agencies about the need to help all kids and is frustrated beyond belief by funding guideline restrictions.

[Jeanelle Hurst]

Not wanting to comment on last years GF not having been there but does the PAWES teams and David Yohan welcome and encourage players from other ethnicities and backgrounds? We ALL need to be doing the right thing where kids and sport are involved.


hey...smiles...why not go and see for yourself and play bball up at the park at Yeerongpilly...maybe PAWES could throw a BBQ

[The_Goat]

Hey everyone, been reading many of the blogs put up > by people putting us down and people defending us and people who just don’t know the facts but to be honest and truthful we are still not dealing with the real issues. BQ & BBI claim that the teams don’t play by the code of conduct and so on.... I and many others believe we did and would continue to do so if given the opportunity. The people who are really suffering in this are the kids specially 6 of our 8 teams who have never stepped a foot into any Basketball association in QLD (yes the ban is QLD wide and on our teams who have never played but have been training for a year now).

Yes i know someone out there will state things to try to justify this ban but really it has no justification as 2 of our teams are under 14’s and a under 12’s team. The questions we need to ask is what are both sides claiming and how can we fix this for the better of the game and the kids. I believe if both parties had come to the table in the beginning many of these issues and disputes would have been sorted.

Instead certain members of the BBI staffing felt the need to justify actions & decisions they shouldn’t have made on that night and throughout the season. And i understand BQ as the governing body has to ultimately protect the IMAGE of the game but at what cost. Instead of bringing both parties together and trying to resolve the issue they went to panic mode as certain choices made by a BBI staff member would have left them liable (ultimately that’s the truth). I know of certain people within BQ and BBI who aren’t supportive of this ban and the mishandling of this situation. A big reason why they haven’t come forward publicly is because of the fear of being kicked to the curve (in some cases with their children). Like many other sporting and work places have done when someone makes a complaint about management.

What most people don’t know is BQ and BBI had banned the teams last season as well so the kids are looking at missing another season as nominations close this Friday with BQ and BBI not wanting to let any of the teams play. This is overall a very depressing situation for our community and the game of basketball.

[Unregistered]

Ummm Jeanelle, how did this get from a girl not going in the sun, to the game in question, me thinks you brought this up looking for a reaction, the game is over, the officials have made there final statements, BBi/BQ have applied the rules and acted upon them. Its over... let it go...

[KOH]

Hey everyone, been reading many of the blogs put up > by people putting us down and people defending us and people who just don’t know the facts but to be honest and truthful we are still not dealing with the real issues. BQ & BBI claim that the teams don’t play by the code of conduct and so on.... I and many others believe we did and would continue to do so if given the opportunity. The people who are really suffering in this are the kids specially 6 of our 8 teams who have never stepped a foot into any Basketball association in QLD (yes the ban is QLD wide and on our teams who have never played but have been training for a year now).

Yes i know someone out there will state things to try to justify this ban but really it has no justification as 2 of our teams are under 14’s and a under 12’s team. The questions we need to ask is what are both sides claiming and how can we fix this for the better of the game and the kids. I believe if both parties had come to the table in the beginning many of these issues and disputes would have been sorted.

Instead certain members of the BBI staffing felt the need to justify actions & decisions they shouldn’t have made on that night and throughout the season. And i understand BQ as the governing body has to ultimately protect the IMAGE of the game but at what cost. Instead of bringing both parties together and trying to resolve the issue they went to panic mode as certain choices made by a BBI staff member would have left them liable (ultimately that’s the truth). I know of certain people within BQ and BBI who aren’t supportive of this ban and the mishandling of this situation. A big reason why they haven’t come forward publicly is because of the fear of being kicked to the curve (in some cases with their children). Like many other sporting and work places have done when someone makes a complaint about management.

What most people don’t know is BQ and BBI had banned the teams last season as well so the kids are looking at missing another season as nominations close this Friday with BQ and BBI not wanting to let any of the teams play. This is overall a very depressing situation for our community and the game of basketball.

There is a process in place here, BBI and BQ are following the instructions of the commisison, one that ALL parties agreed to do.

On the other hand Mr. Goat you and yours have ignored this instruction and choose to go public and tell your half of the story to the media and on this very public forum.

These actions are not doing your cause any good at all. Your group choose to take the matter to the commisison, then you ignore their recommendations when they do not suit you? Similiar to the actions of your u 20 team when they began loosing their GF. Make no mistake about it, some players behaviour was totally unacceptable and resulted in 3 players getting suspended for their actions.

The ability to be gracious, humble winners as the players from the victorious U 18 team showed earlier in the evening is a fine trait. Another outstanding trait is the ability to be gracious in defeat as well, something the U 20 team sadly lacked and they; rightfully so have been appropriately punished for their actions.

Goat, your actions have done nothing to teach these young men humility and the art of accepting the umpires decision. Is it any wonder why these players behaved the way they did? I suggest perhaps you need to set a better example to these young men in the future?

[Unregistered]

Hey everyone, been reading many of the blogs put up > by people putting us down and people defending us and people who just don’t know the facts but to be honest and truthful we are still not dealing with the real issues. BQ & BBI claim that the teams don’t play by the code of conduct and so on.... I and many others believe we did and would continue to do so if given the opportunity. The people who are really suffering in this are the kids specially 6 of our 8 teams who have never stepped a foot into any Basketball association in QLD (yes the ban is QLD wide and on our teams who have never played but have been training for a year now).

Yes i know someone out there will state things to try to justify this ban but really it has no justification as 2 of our teams are under 14’s and a under 12’s team. The questions we need to ask is what are both sides claiming and how can we fix this for the better of the game and the kids. I believe if both parties had come to the table in the beginning many of these issues and disputes would have been sorted.

Instead certain members of the BBI staffing felt the need to justify actions & decisions they shouldn’t have made on that night and throughout the season. And i understand BQ as the governing body has to ultimately protect the IMAGE of the game but at what cost. Instead of bringing both parties together and trying to resolve the issue they went to panic mode as certain choices made by a BBI staff member would have left them liable (ultimately that’s the truth). I know of certain people within BQ and BBI who aren’t supportive of this ban and the mishandling of this situation. A big reason why they haven’t come forward publicly is because of the fear of being kicked to the curve (in some cases with their children). Like many other sporting and work places have done when someone makes a complaint about management.

What most people don’t know is BQ and BBI had banned the teams last season as well so the kids are looking at missing another season as nominations close this Friday with BQ and BBI not wanting to let any of the teams play. This is overall a very depressing situation for our community and the game of basketball.
If you can see nothing wrong in those behaviours David maybe you need to have another read of the Coaches code of ethics. You would have signed one to attain your NCAS coaching accreditation. Its really a moot point now but one wonders if PAWES have filled their duty of care in educating their members as to the rules and by laws of the sport and association they are participating in and whether their concern is really for their members or for the future of that $200,000 a year public funding they receive to run a few basketball teams.

[Jeanelle Hurst]

Ummm Jeanelle, how did this get from a girl not going in the sun, to the game in question, me thinks you brought this up looking for a reaction, the game is over, the officials have made there final statements, BBi/BQ have applied the rules and acted upon them. Its over... let it go...


Because I want this kid to know that it's okay to go out in the sun.

I want my kids to know that the playing field is fair and just for all

children and youth.


Why is that we run and hide from issues of colour or difference.

When all we have to do is acknowledge they exist and go to the table and

deal with them.


We have two days in which to solve this issue.

We have two days in which to 'suck it in'......'pick ourselves up'.....

'dust ourselves off'......'and get on with the game'


This is what we tell our children....

Our children need to see that we can set the right example and bring these

kids back into our community.


And at the end of the day we tell our children

It's not over till it's over...

And have faith.

[The_Goat]

There is a process in place here, BBI and BQ are following the instructions of the commisison, one that ALL parties agreed to do.

On the other hand Mr. Goat you and yours have ignored this instruction and choose to go public and tell your half of the story to the media and on this very public forum.

These actions are not doing your cause any good at all. Your group choose to take the matter to the commisison, then you ignore their recommendations when they do not suit you? Similiar to the actions of your u 20 team when they began loosing their GF. Make no mistake about it, some players behaviour was totally unacceptable and resulted in 3 players getting suspended for their actions.

The ability to be gracious, humble winners as the players from the victorious U 18 team showed earlier in the evening is a fine trait. Another outstanding trait is the ability to be gracious in defeat as well, something the U 20 team sadly lacked and they; rightfully so have been appropriately punished for their actions.

Goat, your actions have done nothing to teach these young men humility and the art of accepting the umpires decision. Is it any wonder why these players behaved the way they did? I suggest perhaps you need to set a better example to these young men in the future?

Following what instructions of the commission?. The commission had not given any instructions as mediation was not successful as a result of BQ & BBI not wanting the kids to play as a team and to try to stop Pawes’s assistants to any player who chooses to play QLD Basketball.
BQ , BBI and yourself keep implying as how dare you go to the commission... guess what we have the right to if we felt an injustice was being done. The commission “accepted” the complaint, meaning they believe we have grounds for the complaint. If they believed the allegations had no grounds or bases then it wouldn’t have been accepted.
3 boys were taking in front of the sports tribunal (BBI) over a complaint made by a referee who happens to be one of the persons who came out and made racists comments in front of 3 other persons and an ex referee. Two of those boys received 6 weeks suspension and the other received 1 year (it was alleged he attempted to chest bump the ref, when in fact the ref had pushed him).
Let it be known that there was video footage of the night taken by BBI security cameras but before any outside personal could view it, it got deleted - convenient .
The 2 boys have already served their suspension. No other members of the two teams were brought to the tribunal or complaints put forward. Not to get deep into the process and the charges of the3 boys, they took their suspensions and served it. They should be back to playing now with their team but can’t do so because of this state wide teams ban.

That wasn’t the first loss of the under 20’s, they had lost a few times throughout the season without any drama surrounding the losses. So don’t make it sound like what happened on the night was the result of them loosing. In fact they were losing for most of the night until the last 3 minutes of the game when they caught up from being 14 points behind to get to 2 points behind and when they scored to even the game the point wasn’t award to them instead was award to the other team ( in plain view of everyone watching the game). When we questioned this mistake the score bench didn’t want to comment instead advised for me to return to the bench. Until now the scores have not been fixed.

As always when someone is trying to make change, the easiest thing to do is attack the person trying to make that change. You say i should set a better example for the kids !!! Lets not turn it personal but you don’t know me, what i have seen, done or continue to do. In fact as a result of the examples and opportunities i’m trying to set up for all youths I’ve received a number of national and state recognition.

Once again another persons who wants there two cents and discredit the kids, myself and any other person involved in addressing the issues. What have you or i said in this blog that will address any of the issues. We have to stop playing this attacking game. You attack the team, the kids and me, then we defend and the circle starts again. How about we really try to address the issues.

[The_Goat]

If you can see nothing wrong in those behaviours David maybe you need to have another read of the Coaches code of ethics. You would have signed one to attain your NCAS coaching accreditation. Its really a moot point now but one wonders if PAWES have filled their duty of care in educating their members as to the rules and by laws of the sport and association they are participating in and whether their concern is really for their members or for the future of that $200,000 a year public funding they receive to run a few basketball teams.

I can see what was wrong with some of the behaviour on that night...A particular BBI staff member shouting, threatening and abusing young children. Not acting in a calm, rational and professional manner. As adults we have the obligation to demonstrate how others particular young kids should act, and she and a small number didn’t do that.
For your information every single member of the Pawes teams including the teams who haven’t played had to singe a PAWES code of conduct and was also educated on the code of conduct of BBI and the game and if they did not agree or did not abide by that code of conduct they weren’t welcomed into the team. Pawes not only engages young people in basketball but also educational session relating to life skills, i guess you know that since you know everything about us.

An also another FACT, i don’t get paid to Run Pawes or any of the basketball training, games or whatever it might be i do to help the kids. I volunteer my time 7 days a week to train and assist these young people in any help they need. Pawes has not received any funding as of yet from any one. The only so called “funding” we have received has been from organisations or generous persons who have helped purchase uniforms, pay registration, water bottles and basketballs. So stop your garbage about $200,000 to run a few basketball teams. Once again the games people play to try to discredit what were really on about and what changes we like to see for all youths in the community and the game

[Unregistered]

Once again another persons who wants there two cents and discredit the kids, myself and any other person involved in addressing the issues. What have you or i said in this blog that will address any of the issues. We have to stop playing this attacking game. You attack the team, the kids and me, then we defend and the circle starts again. How about we really try to address the issues.
Actually didnt see anyone make any comment much less attacks till Ms Hearst started a thread and told everyone in BBI and BQ how bad and racially prejudiced they all were??!

[Jeanelle Hurst]

Actually didnt see anyone make any comment much less attacks till Ms Hearst started a thread and told everyone in BBI and BQ how bad and racially prejudiced they all were??!


Perhaps you would like to identify yourself so that you can take personal

ownership and responsibility for the statement you have made here.

[darkjedi]

Right, this thread has about as much to do with the intent of the Junior forum as it does to give people another thread to throw thinly veiled insults about this topic. Locking this, please keep the discussion to the original thread in the General forum (http://forum.brisbanebasketball.com/showthread.php?t=488) only.