U14 Boys Premier League 10/11

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Pretty sure Jeremys going to JPC

If he is good he will have no competition. TAS is 2nd rate compared to GPS

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Who won this game?

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is defense and rebounding still part of this game?

only defence. it's easy to teach athletes defence. rebounding comes by accident. it's just too hard to coach bigs to bother with them. much easier to take a bunch of jumpers and hope for the best.

i'd do the whole /sarcasm tag, but since I'm in SE Queensland, i'm not sure anyone would believe me.

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Spartans by 15, was that the biggest lead during the game?
Thought that would be bit tighter margin. Well done to them anyway.

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I would like to comment on the atrocious antics of the Caboolture 1 under 14 Challenge Cup team COACH on the weekend. When a coach can applaud and congratulate a player after he has taken an opposition player out while he is in the air looking at the ball, has some serious problems. I have to wonder if this type of coaching is accepted within this age group or any age group. I believe the Caboolture Basketball Assoc. needs to have a good look at their Junior Coaches and the negative affect they are having on the image of the SPORTSMANSHIP of their Junior Teams .

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I would like to comment on the atrocious antics of the Caboolture 1 under 14 Challenge Cup team COACH on the weekend. When a coach can applaud and congratulate a player after he has taken an opposition player out while he is in the air looking at the ball, has some serious problems. I have to wonder if this type of coaching is accepted within this age group or any age group. I believe the Caboolture Basketball Assoc. needs to have a good look at their Junior Coaches and the negative affect they are having on the image of the SPORTSMANSHIP of their Junior Teams .

whos the coach?

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Has U14 Boys Premier League become a 3 horse race? Who deserves to be favourite? Any bolters? Will any team get scratched in the Challenge Round?

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Well maybe 2 horses

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Well maybe 2 horses

If you mean northside and Spartans just letting you know that northside has not beaten Logan this season in both games. I'm guessing Logan Spartans final with Spartans just too strong.

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If you mean northside and Spartans just letting you know that northside has not beaten Logan this season in both games. I'm guessing Logan Spartans final with Spartans just too strong.

I agree, no way Wizards will be there, haven't improved as a team at all, gone backwards with little direction

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I agree, no way Wizards will be there, haven't improved as a team at all, gone backwards with little direction

Was impressed by the Gold Coast at the weekend. If they can, somehow, combat the athleticism of White and Pulesea, they have the guards (collectively, in my view, the best back court in the league) to be a genuine threat to the main contenders. Their bigs, very ordinary early in the season, are coming along nicely but maybe not quite ready to impact on the outcome of the 2011 season. I reckon, they are currently going better than Northside, but you shouldn't under-estimate the Wizards.

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very open season when you look at the results some very close games by clubs not rated i lean toward northside when team is fit and all playing but a lot off improvement in some outsiders like redlands maroochy and brisbane

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very open season when you look at the results some very close games by clubs not rated i lean toward northside when team is fit and all playing but a lot off improvement in some outsiders like redlands maroochy and brisbane

I think that the final 4 will be as it currently stands. Within that group the likely final is Districts v Logan and I think the latter have the depth to win. GC and North will be outside chances but can cause an upset on their day. Agree that Redlands and Maroochy have performed beyond expectations but they are not in the same league.

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very open season when you look at the results some very close games by clubs not rated i lean toward northside when team is fit and all playing but a lot off improvement in some outsiders like redlands maroochy and brisbane

What kind of improvent for Bbi, 30 pts down last weekend , lost to Redlands ?

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What kind of improvent for Bbi, 30 pts down last weekend , lost to Redlands ?

Redlands just lost to GC and I hear logan had a lucky escape against redlands a couple of weeks back also. Maybe they have improved but BBI seem to be going the other way?

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Well maybe 2 horses

Almost 1 horse now. Spartans look unstoppable. What a talent they have in McDowell-White!

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Almost 1 horse now. Spartans look unstoppable. What a talent they have in McDowell-White!

He is in a league of his own.
Spartans are impressive last few weeks, they just look much bigger and fitter.
Hard to beat now .
Credits to GC as well most improved team after Spartans .
Yes i do think they improved heaps since the Carnival

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Have played against him a few times now and he realy does look like a div 1 U 16. Spartans as a team have improved but the biggest thing is, get the ball in Wills hands and good things happen

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Come show your support and help raise money for our fellow associations affected by the floods. See your local QBL stars and personalities compete against one another in a social yet competitive atmosphere.

Have your shot in the 3 point challenge and keep an eye out for other prizes and giveaways throughout the day. With players representing all associations from the south, it is for a good cause and needs your support behind it.

Come on down!



2011 Flood Appeal All-Star Game

WHEN: Sunday 6th March 2011

WHERE: Chandler Arena, Sleeman Sports Complex, Cnr Old Cleveland and Tilley Rds, Chandler

TIP-OFF: 11:30am Women's, 2:00pm Men's - doors open from 11:00am

COST: Child $5.00, Adult $10.00, Family $20.00


All proceeds will go to the Basketball Queensland Disaster Relief Fund

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What is format for finals and do we have any dates?

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What is format for finals and do we have any dates?

Semi Finals Sat 19th 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 - Home finals for 1 and 2 placed teams
Grand Finals Sat 26th March - Southern Districts

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whos the coach?

That's sad. The coaches in charge of these teams need to learn some sportsmanship and basic respect for the young players who often idolise them. This is an example of disprespect from a coach towards opponents but it most often happens when the coaches disprespect their own players and treat them like they are soldiers in military boot camps. Those players will ignore the coaching, be scarred from being verbally abused, and or eventually quit the game due to not having any fun and being made to feel like they are worthless players / people. Coaches need to smarten up, control their own behaviour, and be better role models.

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Lauren Jackson, current Seattle Storm superstar in the WNBA and the greatest ever Australian female basketball player will be attending the 2011 Flood Appeal QBL All-Star Game to be held at Chandler Arena tomorrow. This will be a once in a lifetime opportunity for many young basketball fans to meet one of Australia’s finest athletes as she comes to show her support for local Queensland Basketball Associations affected by the floods in their recovery efforts.

The Men’s and Women’s QBL All-Stars Game features some exciting youth and respected veterans from the Central and Southern Pools of our Senior League, representing teams from Bundaberg in the North to the Gold Coast in the South and Toowoomba in the West. They will be joined by former NBL MVP, two-time NBL Champion, Junior World Championship Gold Medallist and two-time Olympian Sam Mackinnon. Tickets to the event will be sold on the day with the Ticket Office opening at 10:00am before the doors open at 11:00am.

To assist the Queensland Associations badly affected by the recent floods Basketball Queensland invites all fans of the sport to attend the 2011 Flood Appeal QBL ALL STAR GAME on Sunday the 6th of March at The Arena, Sleeman Sports Complex, Chandler. Ticket prices begin at $5.00 a Child, $10.00 an Adult and $20.00 a family with the doors opening at 11:00am. The Women’s Game tips off at 11:30am followed by the Men’s Game at 2:00pm. Best parking is in car park 3, with entry to "The Arena" via Gate 9.

For further details and a venue map for the event visit www.qbl.basketball.net.au

All proceeds raised at the event will go to the Basketball Qld Disaster Relief Fund

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from what was said here looks like Spartans are gonna be team to beat this year. No names yet but if that kid is who I think you are talking about plus a very good forward and a guard they already have, they have size, skill and speed.
BBI might be a surprise, with Vdogg and few quality players (forward and guard again), I am sure there is more to them.
LOgan not sure how much one big can do by himself, he is good, very good though but needs support from guards.
North very dangerous this year, expect them to be very well drilled probably best guard in comp and not so confident big, but big
GC has good generation as well, top three team

I thinks that is for sure top of our premier league this year, with REdlands perhaps

Somebody knows their 14s players well . . .

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That's sad. The coaches in charge of these teams need to learn some sportsmanship and basic respect for the young players who often idolise them. This is an example of disprespect from a coach towards opponents but it most often happens when the coaches disprespect their own players and treat them like they are soldiers in military boot camps. Those players will ignore the coaching, be scarred from being verbally abused, and or eventually quit the game due to not having any fun and being made to feel like they are worthless players / people. Coaches need to smarten up, control their own behaviour, and be better role models.

U mean like the wonderful example being set by the Northside coach perhaps?

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U mean like the wonderful example being set by the Northside coach perhaps?
Must be "bash a volunteer week".

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Just Because They Voluteers Doesn't Mean They Shouldn't Control There Temper And Show Respect To The 12-13 Years Old And Adults Around Them.

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Must be "bash a volunteer week".

Does 'being a volunteer' excuse bad sportsmanship, behavior and leadership when coaching kids.
Treat 12 year olds however you please because you fall under the volunteer banner!

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Does 'being a volunteer' excuse bad sportsmanship, behavior and leadership when coaching kids.
Treat 12 year olds however you please because you fall under the volunteer banner!
Northside are one of the more progressive clubs and I'm sure if there was a legitimate breach of their member protection policy they would be onto it.

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pretty sure they wouldn't handle any issue on bendoes and would like to think if you're kid plays there you'd approach it properly too.
Which isn't on a message board where all people do is bag anything and everything. About time posters were made to register

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That's sad. The coaches in charge of these teams need to learn some sportsmanship and basic respect for the young players who often idolise them. This is an example of disprespect from a coach towards opponents but it most often happens when the coaches disprespect their own players and treat them like they are soldiers in military boot camps. Those players will ignore the coaching, be scarred from being verbally abused, and or eventually quit the game due to not having any fun and being made to feel like they are worthless players / people. Coaches need to smarten up, control their own behaviour, and be better role models.

There are coaches in this age group that have the respect of their players and are good role models for their players

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Northside are one of the more progressive clubs and I'm sure if there was a legitimate breach of their member protection policy they would be onto it.

Wow someone is jumping to conclusions! Where does it say northside in the last comment, someone mentioned it earlier but I don't think the response to the comment above mentions northside, just a comment about volunteers showing leadership behavior

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pretty sure they wouldn't handle any issue on bendoes and would like to think if you're kid plays there you'd approach it properly too.
Which isn't on a message board where all people do is bag anything and everything. About time posters were made to register

Signed: unregistered!

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Wow someone is jumping to conclusions! Where does it say northside in the last comment, someone mentioned it earlier but I don't think the response to the comment above mentions northside, just a comment about volunteers showing leadership behavior
Read post #275 above.
Dunno who your talking about but if any coach at any association is breaching the code of conduct its up to their club to hear and preside over the handling of the matter. People are innocent until proven guilty by due process.
Course you could always speak to the person face to face in person yourself with your accusations?

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Onto a a different topic......especially being it is U/14's....Will McDowell White dunking it during the semi-final game against Gold Coast. I didn't see it personally but have heard about it from a lot of people who did. Awesome!

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Onto a a different topic......especially being it is U/14's....Will McDowell White dunking it during the semi-final game against Gold Coast. I didn't see it personally but have heard about it from a lot of people who did. Awesome!

He did it against Redlands also....he is an amazing athlete!! Never thought I would see a 12/13 year old dunking.

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LOGAN FOR THE WIN IN OVERTIME!!!! Great game to watch :)

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Congratulations to both teams. It was great to see the two best players in the league going for it. Hoping to see a rematch at classics. Grand final maybe. A big congratulations must go to all players, as it takes 10 boys to make it to a grand final or win it. Well done, as game was played in good spirit and refs had a great game and let it flow.

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Congratulations to both teams. It was great to see the two best players in the league going for it. Hoping to see a rematch at classics. Grand final maybe. A big congratulations must go to all players, as it takes 10 boys to make it to a grand final or win it. Well done, as game was played in good spirit and refs had a great game and let it flow.

It was an great game to watch. Spartan's need to not rely on Will to do everything. 34 points out of the teams 58 along with a heap of rebounds and running the floor at both ends. It didn't help spartan's that 2 of their starting 5 where out injured, hopefully both teams will be at full strength for classics and we get see them have a rematch.

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It was an great game to watch. Spartan's need to not rely on Will to do everything. 34 points out of the teams 58 along with a heap of rebounds and running the floor at both ends. It didn't help spartan's that 2 of their starting 5 where out injured, hopefully both teams will be at full strength for classics and we get see them have a rematch.

that is a good point there, about having Will to do everything. But, he is physically and skill wise very dominant right now, and would be the same in any other team he plays for.
I am sure that by the time these kids are top age 16s things will be different and by the time they are 18s it will be hard to say who was dominating 14s. So you cant look at other kids and compare them to him, not yet.
Without talking about him and exceptionally tall Jeremy who had great game by the way there were few more good performances there.
I thought the way Tony came back to life in 4th qtr was just great, he was aggressive and if you just showed up you would not have a clue that he actually had a bad game until then. Wasn't it great how he scored that last basket in overtime, forced their guard to give him the ball and finished it off confidently.
Jackson has taken control of Logans offense after that bad start , that was great performance too.

Maybe the best move in the game came from Nikola, working around Jeremy with fake and pivot to reverse it past him. That kid always plays hard, good game from him as well.
Just want to say that there is more to it than just two big kids out there, just be patient.

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[QUOTE=It was a great final;32564]that is a good point there, about having Will to do everything. But, he is physically and skill wise very dominant right now, and would be the same in any other team he plays for.
I am sure that by the time these kids are top age 16s things will be different and by the time they are 18s it will be hard to say who was dominating 14s. So you cant look at other kids and compare them to him, not yet.
Without talking about him and exceptionally tall Jeremy who had great game by the way there were few more good performances there.
I thought the way Tony came back to life in 4th qtr was just great, he was aggressive and if you just showed up you would not have a clue that he actually had a bad game until then. Wasn't it great how he scored that last basket in overtime, forced their guard to give him the ball and finished it off confidently.
Jackson has taken control of Logans offense after that bad start , that was great performance too.

Maybe the best move in the game came from Nikola, working around Jeremy with fake and pivot to reverse it past him. That kid always plays hard, good game from him as well.
Just want to say that there is more to it than just two big kids out there, just be patient.[/QUOT



Well said, it was a terrific game. Will, Nic, Jeremy, the 3 Qld team boys were terrific. Was good that Tony got into the game in last qtr after a fairly slow game, but I was impressed also with the PG from Logan, he had a tough first qtr missing shots and a few turnovers, but really worked himself into the game and was very steady for the rest of it. Congratulations to both teams, it was a thriller! Will W is amazing though, to hold the ball like he did in the dying seconds, knowing he can bang in a 3 pointer for the lead-that just doesn't take skill, that takes guts and the magic that kid has!

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[QUOTE=It was a great final;32564]that is a good point there, about having Will to do everything. But, he is physically and skill wise very dominant right now, and would be the same in any other team he plays for.
I am sure that by the time these kids are top age 16s things will be different and by the time they are 18s it will be hard to say who was dominating 14s. So you cant look at other kids and compare them to him, not yet.
Without talking about him and exceptionally tall Jeremy who had great game by the way there were few more good performances there.
I thought the way Tony came back to life in 4th qtr was just great, he was aggressive and if you just showed up you would not have a clue that he actually had a bad game until then. Wasn't it great how he scored that last basket in overtime, forced their guard to give him the ball and finished it off confidently.
Jackson has taken control of Logans offense after that bad start , that was great performance too.

Maybe the best move in the game came from Nikola, working around Jeremy with fake and pivot to reverse it past him. That kid always plays hard, good game from him as well.
Just want to say that there is more to it than just two big kids out there, just be patient.[/QUOT



Well said, it was a terrific game. Will, Nic, Jeremy, the 3 Qld team boys were terrific. Was good that Tony got into the game in last qtr after a fairly slow game, but I was impressed also with the PG from Logan, he had a tough first qtr missing shots and a few turnovers, but really worked himself into the game and was very steady for the rest of it. Congratulations to both teams, it was a thriller! Will W is amazing though, to hold the ball like he did in the dying seconds, knowing he can bang in a 3 pointer for the lead-that just doesn't take skill, that takes guts and the magic that kid has!

Runs in the family..... his little sister hit the game winner for Logan in the under12 game

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Will McDowell White is for sure, the best in the state.
He was born to play basketball. An amazing player who is definitely someone to look out for in the near future.



Good Luck to all the teams at Classics.

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Will McDowell White is for sure, the best in the state.
He was born to play basketball. An amazing player who is definitely someone to look out for in the near future.



Good Luck to all the teams at Classics.

I'm pretty sure that in the future we will be seeing him fly at the Gabba playing for the Lions. Michael Voss will be licking his lips in anticipation. He will be another that our sport loses to AFL because of the bigger money, profile and opportunities. It will be a damn shame for BBall but a bonus for the AFL.

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I'm pretty sure that in the future we will be seeing him fly at the Gabba playing for the Lions. Michael Voss will be licking his lips in anticipation. He will be another that our sport loses to AFL because of the bigger money, profile and opportunities. It will be a damn shame for BBall but a bonus for the AFL.
If he's any relation to Jessie White (ex Palm Beach basketball/Gold Coast/Queensland player) now with the Sydney Swans, he'll be gone as soon as the draft approaches him.
Kurt Tippett (same teams) who now plays for the Adelaide Crows is another example.

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I'm pretty sure that in the future we will be seeing him fly at the Gabba playing for the Lions. Michael Voss will be licking his lips in anticipation. He will be another that our sport loses to AFL because of the bigger money, profile and opportunities. It will be a damn shame for BBall but a bonus for the AFL.

Michael Voss will be gone by the seasons end. Lions Academy not really interested until they finish school.

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Michael Voss will be gone by the seasons end. Lions Academy not really interested until they finish school.

He doesn't need the Academy. He will be picked up under the Father Son rule. Darryl White played for Lions and won 3 premierships

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good team, they will be strong.

I have joined team aswell Philip Vegar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am biggest threat on offence in Australia for my age group i am 12 and i am dunking bro

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I have joined team aswell Philip Vegar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am biggest threat on offence in Australia for my age group i am 12 and i am dunking bro

Wrong forum buddy, try www::dot:: Imanidiot::dot::com

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I have joined team aswell Philip Vegar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am biggest threat on offence in Australia for my age group i am 12 and i am dunking bro

This is plain stupid I am sure kid did not write it himself.
Someone does not like thatPhilip is getting the chance

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The kid Rose from Townsville is something special. White from SD is an athletic phenomenom. Froling from Townsville looks a genuine "big" of the future. Dont know about White but Rose and Froling are both bottom age. Old saying, when you have the 1 and 5 right you can win anything. Happy days in the future for Townsville.

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Congrats to Townsville - a champion team across the board with few weaknesses. Top teams from the south are built around a champion and paid the price.

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thought Logan and Wizards played their hearts out for the whole thing. Kept waiting for Spartans to take off but their style of play seemed very conservitive.

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Congrats to Townsville - a champion team across the board with few weaknesses. Top teams from the south are built around a champion and paid the price.
That Townsville side was something special. Lot to be learned for our southern coaches of the value of getting the ball through many sets of hands and on ball containment defence. The Townsville kids have another dimension where they can defend the passing lane as well and by moving with the flight of the ball the receiver not only receives the pass but a close out defender as well. Lost count of how many turnovers that caused in the second half of the final.
Great coaching job. Mores the pity we couldnt have someone like that heading up our NITCP and state programs down here rather than a series of association hacks with high level ambitions that dont match their capabilities.

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Townsville did a great job. Logan just did not have the depth. 5 div 1 players and the rest were really division 2 players. As soon as the bench came on, the score blew out. Most Brisbane teams have the same problem but I think Logan has a real issue there. The fact that only 4 players scored says it all. Townsville had bench players that could come on, do little amount of turnovers and score. If fact their top scorer was 6th man if I recall correctly. With these issues in mind, the style of play for logan when they have bench players on the court needs to be different to starting 5 plays with more focus on limiting turnovers, slowing the game down and passing the ball around and eventually to players that can score like their center and small forward. Maybe I'm wrong but bench players I think are there to run the plays, minimize errors, play no risk basketball ect and not to try to emulate the better players that they replaced and stuff it up. Other teams have the same issue. SD on the other hand left Will to do to much and no one else on their starting 5 stepped up.

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Great coaching job. Mores the pity we couldnt have someone like that heading up our NITCP and state programs down here rather than a series of association hacks with high level ambitions that dont match their capabilities.

More to the point, what is being done with regard to coach development so SEQ Association coaches can improve?

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More to the point, what is being done with regard to coach development so SEQ Association coaches can improve?
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Great coaching job. Mores the pity we couldnt have someone like that heading up our NITCP and state programs down here rather than a series of association hacks with high level ambitions that dont match their capabilities.



If the coaches are not supported and developed in and around Brisbane by BQ, SEQ, etc, then they will not be equiped to support, develop, and keep the most athletic players involved.

It could be argued that most SEQ rep programs are not doing well in either area. Why not?

Based on these classics it appears that Townsville is doing well on all fronts with many competitive teams, and congrats to them for their successful approach.

Step up Brisbane area programs!

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More to the point, what is being done with regard to coach development so SEQ Association coaches can improve?

Agreed, the Townsville coach ran his strategy to perfection. Well done to him and his team. Their bench was much stronger and their players knew their role and capabilities and did what they needed to do when their star players rested. Their turnovers were quite low and they did not try to play at Logans tempo. They learnt from the first game against Logan, that I have no doubt that Logan could have won if their center had not been in foul trouble and blew them away in the final. Logan did not learn from first game and guards did not take advantage of the team strength in their center and small forward (consistently their best 2 players). They paid the price for selfish basketball from their guards. Hope it is a lesson for any team that it is better to play as a team of champions and not try to be champion players and hog the ball and force shots. Coaches at that age group should come down heavily on players that do not distribute the ball and should rate players on assists just as much as points. Such players cause friction in the team and everyone suffers. Gold Coast suffered from the same problem this year and underperformed as a result.

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Townsville . . . turnovers were quite low . . .. Logan did not learn from first game and guards did not take advantage of the team strength in their center and small forward (consistently their best 2 players). They paid the price for selfish basketball from their guards. . . .. Coaches at that age group should come down heavily on players that do not distribute the ball and should rate players on assists just as much as points. Such players cause friction in the team and everyone suffers. . ..

Spot on. Points, individual (not team) steals, flashy dribbling, etc are often the basis on which fans -- and too often coaches -- decide who are the best players. These are not the best players for TEAM basketball and TEAM success.

More important to any team's success are that the players on the floor are or play with
--athleticism and hustle,
--selflessness
--intelligence,
--minimise turnovers
--happy to make an assist as much as a basket,
--knowledge and determination to block out (meaning solid body-on-body blocks on players to prevent second shot offensive opportunities),
--team defence philosophy (as opposed to constant reaching in for the flashy steal or blocked shot stat),
--avoiding fouling more than 2 or maybe 3 fouls a game (which inevitably leads to many easy free throw opportunities and points for the opponent),
--and . . . what else?

Often coaches on the floor don't even recognise efficient team performances so it's hard to expect fans and players to do so.

Generally, not always, the higher placed teams on the ladder have coaches who know these differences in individual and team success and want to put their best team players on the floor. Townsville coaches and players did a great job on all these things and the players succeeded because of the philosophy. Generally, again not always, the lower placed teams' coaches haven't figured it out, place a lower premium on winning (just developing for long-term), haven't been able to persuade their best athletes to buy into the formula for team success, or don't play the best players for other reasons.

Those players who can do those little (important) things should be congratulated even though they may not have scored as many as the big name stars they support with their efforts. And yes, the flash players should be called on their style of play and persuaded by intelligent coaches to adjust for team success.

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More important to any team's success are that the players on the floor are or play with
--athleticism and hustle,
--selflessness
--intelligence,
--minimise turnovers
--happy to make an assist as much as a basket,
--knowledge and determination to block out (meaning solid body-on-body blocks on players to prevent second shot offensive opportunities),
--team defence philosophy (as opposed to constant reaching in for the flashy steal or blocked shot stat),
--avoiding fouling more than 2 or maybe 3 fouls a game (which inevitably leads to many easy free throw opportunities and points for the opponent),


Well said. Not just the coaches fault. Selfish players somehow need to removed from games if they continue to play an individual role. With SD, their role players did not step up and left Will to do it himself. He looked a playing a team game but other players were too conservative. Logan guards were not team orientated and neither were GC and one from northside.

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Doesnt the townsville coach have kids in the U12s carving it up and twins killing it in the 16 Girls. Add to that his U14s destrying the south!! What an era for him. He was a bit hard core but he must be doin something right.

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Doesnt the townsville coach have kids in the U12s carving it up and twins killing it in the 16 Girls. Add to that his U14s destrying the south!! What an era for him. He was a bit hard core but he must be doin something right.
Yeh has a son in u/12 another in the U/14 side and two daughters in the U/16s. Couldnt play himself but...they got it from Jenny.

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Spot on. Points, individual (not team) steals, flashy dribbling, etc are often the basis on which fans -- and too often coaches -- decide who are the best players. These are not the best players for TEAM basketball and TEAM success.

More important to any team's success are that the players on the floor are or play with
--athleticism and hustle,
--selflessness
--intelligence,
--minimise turnovers
--happy to make an assist as much as a basket,
--knowledge and determination to block out (meaning solid body-on-body blocks on players to prevent second shot offensive opportunities),
--team defence philosophy (as opposed to constant reaching in for the flashy steal or blocked shot stat),
--avoiding fouling more than 2 or maybe 3 fouls a game (which inevitably leads to many easy free throw opportunities and points for the opponent),
--and . . . what else?

Often coaches on the floor don't even recognise efficient team performances so it's hard to expect fans and players to do so.

Generally, not always, the higher placed teams on the ladder have coaches who know these differences in individual and team success and want to put their best team players on the floor. Townsville coaches and players did a great job on all these things and the players succeeded because of the philosophy. Generally, again not always, the lower placed teams' coaches haven't figured it out, place a lower premium on winning (just developing for long-term), haven't been able to persuade their best athletes to buy into the formula for team success, or don't play the best players for other reasons.

Those players who can do those little (important) things should be congratulated even though they may not have scored as many as the big name stars they support with their efforts. And yes, the flash players should be called on their style of play and persuaded by intelligent coaches to adjust for team success.




I want this person to coach my kids. What you have said is fantastic and spot on.
I so wish there were more people out there who feel this way, we have to stop feeding the ego of these kids and their parents.

I am so over watching kids and parents (and even some coaches) with over inflated bias opinions of some players were are incredible single minded in their play. There was plenty of this on the weekend and yet what is disappointing is that these players rarely get taken off the court.

I saw the Spartans and Wizards play a great game and battle out the final, only to ruined by the most incredible selfish play by a player from each team. In particular a player who came into the game with only a few minutes to go. Obviously he wanted to make a hero of himself, but once again instead of doing the hard work and not the show stuff, the ball was turned over several times and resulted in a 2 point win to Spartans. The hard working wizards boys must have been distraught.

It is so refreshing to not only see the great example of team play Townsville demonstrated, but also the use of all players in the team in the game. Each having a role to play and doing it in a team orientated manner. Congratulations to them on an excellent Classics.

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How did Gold Coast lose to M'dore? Unbelievable!

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I saw the Spartans and Wizards play a great game and battle out the final, only to ruined by the most incredible selfish play by a player from each team. In particular a player who came into the game with only a few minutes to go. Obviously he wanted to make a hero of himself, but once again instead of doing the hard work and not the show stuff, the ball was turned over several times and resulted in a 2 point win to Spartans. The hard working wizards boys must have been distraught.
It's the reason why coaches leave players on. The depth in most teams is not there (apart from Townsville ) and often cinches are pressured by parents to play the bench and some of those players, pushed by their parents want to be heroes and come into the game, do 5 turnovers, a couple of fouls and 3 to five "hail maries". Starting 5 players of Spartans or wizards are team players as a general rule. In fact, I think that it is the bench players who spoilt a few games by not understanding their role, and for that coaches and parents are to blame. Look at what happened to Logan in the final when the bench came on. Result was a blowout. A solution would be to reduce the team sizes to 7 for development purposes. There is too much difference between top players and bench players and too much pressure on bench kids to score from some parents. Those kids would be better in Div2.

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It's the reason why coaches leave players on. The depth in most teams is not there (apart from Townsville ) and often cinches are pressured by parents to play the bench and some of those players, pushed by their parents want to be heroes and come into the game, do 5 turnovers, a couple of fouls and 3 to five "hail maries". Starting 5 players of Spartans or wizards are team players as a general rule. In fact, I think that it is the bench players who spoilt a few games by not understanding their role, and for that coaches and parents are to blame. Look at what happened to Logan in the final when the bench came on. Result was a blowout. A solution would be to reduce the team sizes to 7 for development purposes. There is too much difference between top players and bench players and too much pressure on bench kids to score from some parents. Those kids would be better in Div2.

Yes, perhaps it would be better to limit the team sizes to 7. but offset that by having two teams for each calendar year age group instead of combining top age and bottom age kids into one or two teams. This would mean more coaches and could mean shortening games to 6 minutes quarters or playing games on more than one day a week. It would mean more coaches are needed, but should decrease the issue of having parents coach their own kids since all 7 on each team would get lots of playing time in games.

Probably most all the 7th to 12th players on most teams languish on the bench and get discouraged when the coaches choose to play them only a few minutes in each game.

Of course, coaches get upset if any player makes mistakes on the floor. All players of all ages and all levels (even the NBL, NBA) make lots of mistakes and most only show momentary flashes of meeting their potential. The coach's job is to assess the opponent and put his best five-man team on the floor in every game, and his opinion and approach is tested in every training and every game.

Obviously everyone has different opinions about who and how players can best help a team succeed. And with so many players on the bench at any one time, if the team underperforms then the "knowledgeable" fans / parents / players opinions eventually come out and the pressure on the coach increases to try different playing combinations, and the coach increases the pressure on the players to perform without making mistakes. The players who can't ever be expected to play "perfectly" are under pressure to do so, and don't, and have less and less fun playing for an unforgiving coach and / or being on the bench while the rest of the team continues to underperform. If a winning combination appears then the background noise dies out, but otherwise this negative cycle is what leads to coaches leaving a team or the coach relegating good players to end of the bench, etc, etc.

Understandably, many kids in that situation that don't return to the game in the next year -- a true "loss" as opposed to losing one or more games along the way. They simply don't have much fun in that situation, where they get pulled out after making a mistake, or two, or more, by a coach who is unforgiving and more worried about the final team result on the day than the longer term results like peaking at the end of the year or setting up the players to succeed on next year's team.

Often a portion or sometimes a lot of these bench players are bottom-age and there's a built in understanding that most won't play much and not much is expected of them. For top age kids they feel like they should be performing better but they stop trusting themselves and perhaps the coach as well, because being creative within the system gets them put on the bench when they make mistakes.

I agree. make the teams smaller. At the end of the day, they are all kids in this league and the more fun and playing time they all get the happier they will all be and the better skilled they will become, and that is great for the sport in Qld.

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It's the reason why coaches leave players on. The depth in most teams is not there (apart from Townsville ) and often cinches are pressured by parents to play the bench and some of those players, pushed by their parents want to be heroes and come into the game, do 5 turnovers, a couple of fouls and 3 to five "hail maries". Starting 5 players of Spartans or wizards are team players as a general rule. In fact, I think that it is the bench players who spoilt a few games by not understanding their role, and for that coaches and parents are to blame. Look at what happened to Logan in the final when the bench came on. Result was a blowout. A solution would be to reduce the team sizes to 7 for development purposes. There is too much difference between top players and bench players and too much pressure on bench kids to score from some parents. Those kids would be better in Div2.
Then nobody gets developed. Remember this years benchie is next years starter in many many cases. Simple matter of coach standing their ground and demanding by-in by all players to the teams systems. If they dont they sit back on the bench till they do or go find another team to disrupt.
Have known many great players who learnt the game in depth during their time on the bench then showed coach their deeper understanding at practice and whatever minutes they get.
Its call "slidin' up the pine" and an important part of basketball development.

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It's the reason why coaches leave players on. The depth in most teams is not there (apart from Townsville ) and often cinches are pressured by parents to play the bench and some of those players, pushed by their parents want to be heroes and come into the game, do 5 turnovers, a couple of fouls and 3 to five "hail maries". Starting 5 players of Spartans or wizards are team players as a general rule. In fact, I think that it is the bench players who spoilt a few games by not understanding their role, and for that coaches and parents are to blame. Look at what happened to Logan in the final when the bench came on. Result was a blowout. A solution would be to reduce the team sizes to 7 for development purposes. There is too much difference between top players and bench players and too much pressure on bench kids to score from some parents. Those kids would be better in Div2.

Logan play their bench players in all of their games so why should the coaches not play their bench. All of Logan's players played in the semi-final against Spartans and helped logan win that it doesn't mean those players would be better in Div 2, because they had a blow out in the final

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Logan play their bench players in all of their games so why should the coaches not play their bench. All of Logan's players played in the semi-final against Spartans and helped logan win that it doesn't mean those players would be better in Div 2, because they had a blow out in the final
The issue here is not Logan, the discussion is whether some players would be better in Div 2 rather than playing limited minutes and getting on the court with limited understanding of their role and hurting the team by trying to he heros. The comment was made that townville was a team that had depth and their bench players played a conservative turnover free type of game and did a great job. This was compared to the Logan and Wizards bench where the turnovers increased when the bench came on and other team started to do better a lot of the times. The comment was that for player development, especially for top age players, they would be better playing in Div2 and get more minutes. I.e. Have 3 teams of 7 rather than 2 club teams for example. Great for Logan, north side, spartans and towsville that the whole team got a run in the finals but these junior teams in my opinion do not need 10 to 12 players. It makes it hard for coaches to have to replace one player with an other with less ability in important games because of pressure from parents. Coaching is hard enough without the politics and parent winging. Games are being won or lost due to turnovers from players that are not up to Div1 standard and in my view, that's not good for anybody and not good for that player's development either.

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agree with the sliding up the pine comment. training with div1 team/coach and playing in those games would be more beneficial than playing div2. over the years most teams that have spent a season playing div2 and move up for classics USUALLY cop a pasting in all but maybe 1 game. so fairly decent argument that any time in div1 better than div2

7 players per team, have taken 8 players away before and finished tournament with 5 healthy and one that needed some physio just to play a few minutes. woud be great to see teams with 4 players on court if that scenario occurred.

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Given that that players learn as much at practice as they do at games. you can't run a real practice with 7. Even having 9 at practice can been a problem. Competion to get on the floor is one of a coach's best tools and all associations struggle to have enough good coach's without trying to run extra teams. Theres a reason 10 has been the number, it works!!

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It makes it hard for coaches to have to replace one player with an other with less ability in important games because of pressure from parents. Coaching is hard enough without the politics and parent winging. .
Best solution for junior sport...stop your whinging.
Basketball is a team game and the recognised rep team number is 10-12. If your kid is being "handicapped" by others you dont feel are as good as them then they need to get better to compensate or get good enough to make a state team where everyone is perfect...in your opinion of course.
The better coaches and associations usually find a way to phase out or move along those that disrupt a program with personal agendas anyway.

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Best solution for junior sport...stop your whinging.
Basketball is a team game and the recognised rep team number is 10-12. If your kid is being "handicapped" by others you dont feel are as good as them then they need to get better to compensate or get good enough to make a state team where everyone is perfect...in your opinion of course.
The better coaches and associations usually find a way to phase out or move along those that disrupt a program with personal agendas anyway.
I was not whinging and my kids are not playing anymore. The whole discussion started by comment of how townville team bench players were disciplined, knew their limits and played a team game , unlike other players from other associations that came on during the game and tried to play a type of game above their ability. My thought were that coaches struggled with this, at this tournament in my view from the games that I saw and I was opening discussions on how this could be addressed to get different points of view. If you think, I was whinging, you got it wrong and my interest is what is best for basketball.

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I was not whinging and my kids are not playing anymore. The whole discussion started by comment of how townville team bench players were disciplined, knew their limits and played a team game , unlike other players from other associations that came on during the game and tried to play a type of game above their ability. My thought were that coaches struggled with this, at this tournament in my view from the games that I saw and I was opening discussions on how this could be addressed to get different points of view. If you think, I was whinging, you got it wrong and my interest is what is best for basketball.
Fair enough. I coach every season and have done for ages so have seen a bit and know what your getting at. But our team systems and "rules" if you like are in place from the start and every player and parent knows what the go is straight up. We also encourage our benchies to explore their ability and try new things (thats how you end up with a deep bench at the end of the season) but always within the parameters of the percentage basketball we (try to) play.
Jackin' up something 6-8 seconds into a new clock just because you want to or your folks have told you to gets you back on the bench and a please explain or a reiteration of the requirements to the parents. If the parents would rather their kid plays under different philosophy a clearance can be arranged quickly.
Seeing the turmoil star struck parents bring to their kids is a sad thing when it happens. You have the kid trying and wanting to be part of the "2 handed-10 fingered gloves" with their mates that earns them respect, but copping it from the star struck parent who doesnt see team success as more important than their kids personal stats.
Few newbies realise that elite selectors take close notice of kids who do the 1 percenters that make TEAMS win basketball games.

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Have been on court more than once with the state elite selectors and my advise to the 1%ers is learn to score. True 1%ers are easy to loose at trails. Qld teams for the last few years have been picked by the numbers, so find your true position for your age group and work towards that. State coach's are usually only interested in what you can do for the team right now. But if you can't score you'll never wear state colours

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Logan play their bench players in all of their games so why should the coaches not play their bench. All of Logan's players played in the semi-final against Spartans and helped logan win that it doesn't mean those players would be better in Div 2, because they had a blow out in the final
I agree Logan bench helped in semi but all season they mostly sat on the bench and got no experience for when it counted. Even when Logan were up large the coach didn't test his bench. That is how players have know confidence in the crunch. They do not need to be put in Div 2 they need more experience during the season. And maybe not just picking they same team from the year before and adding talent that is new in Logan no matter who gets upset. The Logan bench are strong.

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Have been on court more than once with the state elite selectors and my advise to the 1%ers is learn to score. True 1%ers are easy to loose at trails. Qld teams for the last few years have been picked by the numbers, so find your true position for your age group and work towards that. State coach's are usually only interested in what you can do for the team right now. But if you can't score you'll never wear state colours

Very true comment

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does anyone know for sure if spartans are going to the nationals

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does anyone know for sure if spartans are going to the nationals

Does the host (BBI) get a spot as well ? or do they bump spartans out of the picture .

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Does the host (BBI) get a spot as well ? or do they bump spartans out of the picture .

The host association gets a spot. They don't push out the teams that qualify.

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BBI is in, but do spartans qualify by finishing 3rd?

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I agree Logan bench helped in semi but all season they mostly sat on the bench and got no experience for when it counted. Even when Logan were up large the coach didn't test his bench. That is how players have know confidence in the crunch. They do not need to be put in Div 2 they need more experience during the season. And maybe not just picking they same team from the year before and adding talent that is new in Logan no matter who gets upset. The Logan bench are strong.

The Logan bench are not strong and weaker that just about all other Div1 teams. I don't think it's lack of court time. There is no depth at that age group in Logan. No Div2 team either. I think that the coach has done a great job with the players available at Logan.

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BBI is in, but do spartans qualify by finishing 3rd?

Yes ..Also Wonder if a couple of northside boys will join them ?

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Yes ..Also Wonder if a couple of northside boys will join them ?

i believe they do as we now send top 3, as bbi are hosting they qualify for tournament

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i believe they do as we now send top 3, as bbi are hosting they qualify for tournament


I always thought that the 3rd QLD team was by invitation , but was always taken by the 3rd placed Classics team. Not quite sure if its as automatic as some are thinking.

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Yes ..Also Wonder if a couple of northside boys will join them ?

Good luck to them!

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I always thought that the 3rd QLD team was by invitation , but was always taken by the 3rd placed Classics team. Not quite sure if its as automatic as some are thinking.

Pretty sure you will find it is done and dusted; Townsville, Logan, Spartans and Brisbane (as host association) all going to Nationals. Pretty sure you will also see a few player changes in the 3 SE QLD teams. Several of the higher level players not in nationals teams have already been approached by these clubs.

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Pretty sure you will find it is done and dusted; Townsville, Logan, Spartans and Brisbane (as host association) all going to Nationals. Pretty sure you will also see a few player changes in the 3 SE QLD teams. Several of the higher level players not in nationals teams have already been approached by these clubs.

Do they get approached after the original kids in the team decide not to play or do they just get kicked out of there teams to make way for better players???

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Have been on court more than once with the state elite selectors and my advise to the 1%ers is learn to score. True 1%ers are easy to loose at trails. Qld teams for the last few years have been picked by the numbers, so find your true position for your age group and work towards that. State coach's are usually only interested in what you can do for the team right now. But if you can't score you'll never wear state colours
Think the original topic was the rotations in PL club teams not state.
The state teams I've been involved in its generally accepted that by the time kids are in that mix they all have the ability to score. It's the ones who understand time and clock and an open look from a good open look that warrant further consideration. When they also play D and do the 1 percenters it makes their claim very strong. Depends which coaches and state teams I guess.

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Do they get approached after the original kids in the team decide not to play or do they just get kicked out of there teams to make way for better players???

Who knows? Guess they are approached, could not imagine a player asking a team if they can kick out another player and join the team, just because they think they are better.

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Half of SD, half of Logan and 2/3 of Brisbane are not up to the standard of other players from the southern states. I'm sure none of these teams will have the guts to cut players so don't expect any top 10 results. Shame for QLD basketball as a whole. Could be wrong as I hear SD are going to hold trials. Wondering if that's to choose 2 extra players or whole new team to back up their starters ??

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Do they get approached after the original kids in the team decide not to play or do they just get kicked out of there teams to make way for better players???
I believe that teams are taking 12 so that would leave 2 guest per team I guess.
If that means only 6 kids may get a second chance, so talented kids will miss out. Can think of 3 good players from Wizards, 1 from SW, 2 from Redlands, a couple from GC and a couple more from other teams.

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I thought the 14 nationals was a team comp. Not a secret state slection. If all these kids do move arround is that in the spirit of the nationals. I would think BQ and BA would have a ruling on all this. And if Spartans are retrailing maybe they should find a way to retrial the coach who managed to waste the biggest talent in the state

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I thought the 14 nationals was a team comp. Not a secret state slection. If all these kids do move arround is that in the spirit of the nationals. I would think BQ and BA would have a ruling on all this. And if Spartans are retrailing maybe they should find a way to retrial the coach who managed to waste the biggest talent in the state


Are you thinking of putting your name down for the Coaches spot next year ?? Didn't think so.

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I thought the 14 nationals was a team comp. Not a secret state slection. If all these kids do move arround is that in the spirit of the nationals. I would think BQ and BA would have a ruling on all this. And if Spartans are retrailing maybe they should find a way to retrial the coach who managed to waste the biggest talent in the state

If that how you think Phil Jackson could be looking for a job next season
It takes more than one kid to win a championship even if he is the next best thing

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I thought the 14 nationals was a team comp. Not a secret state slection. If all these kids do move arround is that in the spirit of the nationals. I would think BQ and BA would have a ruling on all this. And if Spartans are retrailing maybe they should find a way to retrial the coach who managed to waste the biggest talent in the state

It would be easier to replace the coaches and spoil their basketball future than take half of the Spartans, Wizards, and Capitals players and ruin up to 20 committed kids by dropping them. Is it a team comp or a state all-star comp? Who is the comp for the coaches or the kids?

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It would be easier to replace the coaches and spoil their basketball future than take half of the Spartans, Wizards, and Capitals players and ruin up to 20 committed kids by dropping them. Is it a team comp or a state all-star comp? Who is the comp for the coaches or the kids?

Both three of these teams earned the right to go into nationals if these teams do well that's great news if they don't it up to basketball Qld to look into how the clubs are run and to do more in the development of players and coaches.
We also should be looking at why kids feel the need to play other sports, more focus on the older kids needs to be lifted now development for younger kids seem to be happening but there are alot of older kids so the don't stray .

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I thought the 14 nationals was a team comp. Not a secret state slection. If all these kids do move arround is that in the spirit of the nationals. I would think BQ and BA would have a ruling on all this. And if Spartans are retrailing maybe they should find a way to retrial the coach who managed to waste the biggest talent in the state

Victoria hold retrials every year once there top 3 teams make nationals. I guess that's why they dominate at nationals. Logan, Spartans and Brisbane will get hammered if they take the teams they had all rep season.

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Victoria hold retrials every year once there top 3 teams make nationals. I guess that's why they dominate at nationals. Logan, Spartans and Brisbane will get hammered if they take the teams they had all rep season.

They dominate at Club Nationals because they have huge pools of talent to tap into , I think that Bulleens membership is larger than all of BQ . Seven of eight divisons of kids in one age group.
They come straight out of their Rep season and go to Nationals. Dont have to keep teams togther for another 6 months .
They have State Championships that are competetive and not just a end of year trip away and fundraising excersise for BQ.

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Both three of these teams earned the right to go into nationals if these teams do well that's great news if they don't it up to basketball Qld to look into how the clubs are run and to do more in the development of players and coaches.
We also should be looking at why kids feel the need to play other sports, more focus on the older kids needs to be lifted now development for younger kids seem to be happening but there are alot of older kids so the don't stray .

Yes, that makes sense, maybe BQ should look closer at the clubs and how they are doing. Re-set the competition to match other states. Why do the clubs seem to think that the kids should be cast aside? So the clubs don't have to be looked at a bit more closely? That seems backwards. The kids should be supported, not cast aside. Maybe it is a coaching problem which the clubs need to address?

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If that how you think Phil Jackson could be looking for a job next season
It takes more than one kid to win a championship even if he is the next best thing

Rumor has it Phil Jackson is quitting at the end of the season and Spartans did have a lot more than one kid.

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Rumor has it Phil Jackson is quitting at the end of the season and Spartans did have a lot more than one kid.

He's coming to the Gold Coast, so SD can't have him.

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can't see Phil on the gold coast. He'd have nothing to wear

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Victoria hold retrials every year once there top 3 teams make nationals. I guess that's why they dominate at nationals. Logan, Spartans and Brisbane will get hammered if they take the teams they had all rep season.
I agree, nationals are about showcasing talent and the reason for club championship with basketball Australia is to give as many kids the experience at national level. It should be for all kids that have a future in the sport. This is rep and not about participation for all kids. I don't think is is fair for good players like wizards pair or SW guard to miss out on that experience. By not doing retrials, kids will jump from one association to an other to give themselves the best chance of going to nationals. Let's say club nationals were held for under/16, kids may go to Logan to join Junior/Dennis and Co. Not good for anybody and not holding trials will make under/14 players move clubs.
I say, HOLD TRIALS for all 4 clubs or get hammered (not a great thing for the morale of some of these kids, especially if they are also good at AFL or Rugby) kids will quit, swap associations and BQ will be the loser in the end. If SD are holding trials, good on them and you have my support and best intentions to grow the association.

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I agree, nationals are about showcasing talent and the reason for club championship with basketball Australia is to give as many kids the experience at national level. It should be for all kids that have a future in the sport. This is rep and not about participation for all kids. I don't think is is fair for good players like wizards pair or SW guard to miss out on that experience. By not doing retrials, kids will jump from one association to an other to give themselves the best chance of going to nationals. Let's say club nationals were held for under/16, kids may go to Logan to join Junior/Dennis and Co. Not good for anybody and not holding trials will make under/14 players move clubs.
I say, HOLD TRIALS for all 4 clubs or get hammered (not a great thing for the morale of some of these kids, especially if they are also good at AFL or Rugby) kids will quit, swap associations and BQ will be the loser in the end. If SD are holding trials, good on them and you have my support and best intentions to grow the association.

First things first, whoever said the Vics all hold re-trials before U14 club nationals is incorrect. Some clubs may do it, but I know that one of the Victorian clubs involved has already committed to taking their full squad, plus another player from their div 2 side. They certainly aren't taking another star from a rival association in front of their own juniors.

Secondly, the U14 club championships is exactly that, club vs club. The star players who's associations miss out need only hold on for another year or 2 (or even less if you include Blue Chip) before they get their chance to shine with quality team mates in Qld north & south teams.

Finally, I'm not convinced that our teams will get hammered. Not suggesting for a second that 2 of them are going to battle it out for the gold medal, but there's some good kids in that mix who are going to shine on the national stage. And for the kids who have worked all season to help their respective teams anyway they can, this may be their last chance for a national tournament, something they'll remember for the rest of their lives. No-one should take that away from them now.

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Agreed in theory, but that chance has been taken away from the top players that were loyal to their club and did not move to a stronger club pre-season.

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Why doesn't BQ just run a state trial for the top 30-36 players in u/14 (3 teams). Cause if teams are going to pick players from an association that didn't make it to a national spot, there is no point of having 'Top 3' then.
e.g. Spartans are running trials for nationals, this is pretty sad that the coach has to pick from another association & doesn't look at his own first. If you don't feel confident with the team you picked at classics you shouldn't be going to Nationals!!
This is what club championship should be. The best associtions (teams) going, reguardless of good/weak/strong/showtime players. A lot of players work their butts off & their goal is to go National at the end of the season with the team you played with throughout the season. (reflection of your association)

If I can recall, Northside & SW poached players from different associations last year for nationals. Meanwhile Logan didn't poach anyone & come 9th or something in the top 10 (look on the website I too lazy).

Play season by season.

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Agreed in theory, but that chance has been taken away from the top players that were loyal to their club and did not move to a stronger club pre-season.

Exactly right.

For those who think Nationals is anything like the level of our rep programme you obviously have never been to Nationals. It is a completely different ball game and the kids who are bottom age or not confident at rep level to take the court will be destroyed at Nationals.

As for Victorian teams, as an ex Vic I know too well that teams are always changed before Nationals, they treat this like a State Championship and go with the best players they can get.
Speaking with a friend who had a child play last year i was informed only 4 boys were in her sons original team, the rest were from other Associations and this is always common practise. The kids know that qualifying for Nationals with their team does not mean they automatically make the team.

As for the argument about kids who miss out having another opportunity through blue chips etc, what a joke that is, obviously many of the talented kids won't be at trials as they also play other sports like Rugby and AFL every Sunday. If BQ run every trial on a Sunday 9-3 what hope have they got, not like they can take very 2nd week away from other sporting commitments.

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Sounds fair but ask the bottom age kids and bench warmers from last year and the years before State Nationals if they enjoyed the event, got anything out of it and felt it was worth going to.
Think you will see a clear picture about the level of players who need to participate in this event

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Think you will see a clear picture about the level of players who need to participate in this event
Well said.. Fully agree.

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Well said.. Fully agree.

Who said that SD are retrailling , it looked like a throw away comment. I would be amazed if that was the case.

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Who said that SD are retrailling , it looked like a throw away comment. I would be amazed if that was the case.

Retrialling might help Spartans replace those injured ex-SW boys but could lead to some awkward conversations at the Coach's dinner table.

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That's a little unfair and un called for

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What a pathetic bunch of parents quibbling over politics of a children's game.

I would look in the mirror as to why kids aren't sticking with the sport rather than believe its how they perform on the national stage that are causing them to leave.

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I think you will find the Spartans retrialing comment to be true. It is only a matter of time now ..

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as in most debates there is logic on both sides 90 PERCENT won't continue the game into adulthood for various reasons pathways dont exist ,other interests and the game runs all year, burnout . enjoy it while its enjoyable its a great game.

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I think you will find the Spartans retrialing comment to be true. It is only a matter of time now ..

Now ?

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Who made state team for schools basketball

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Vanja Gazibegovic (Met West)
Todd Mccauliffe (Northern)
Tom Fullerton (Sunshine Coast)
Tobias Cameron (South Coast)
Levi Frankland (South Coast)
Jalen Patton-Croker (South Coast)
Mason Woosnam (Met North)
Scott Trevena (Capricornia)
Tom Hains (Met East)
Gabriel Snow (Met West)

Bit perplexed that only 1 player from the winning team made the State Team

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Vanja Gazibegovic (Met West)
Todd Mccauliffe (Northern)
Tom Fullerton (Sunshine Coast)
Tobias Cameron (South Coast)
Levi Frankland (South Coast)
Jalen Patton-Croker (South Coast)
Mason Woosnam (Met North)
Scott Trevena (Capricornia)
Tom Hains (Met East)
Gabriel Snow (Met West)

Bit perplexed that only 1 player from the winning team made the State Team

Yep, just shows how out of touch with rep basketball these teacher/selectors are.

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Congratulations to all of them, well deserved.
Some big shoes to fill now, last year Qld won the tournament.

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Vanja Gazibegovic (Met West)
Todd Mccauliffe (Northern)
Tom Fullerton (Sunshine Coast)
Tobias Cameron (South Coast)
Levi Frankland (South Coast)
Jalen Patton-Croker (South Coast)
Mason Woosnam (Met North)
Scott Trevena (Capricornia)
Tom Hains (Met East)
Gabriel Snow (Met West)

Bit perplexed that only 1 player from the winning team made the State Team

I think last year's winning team (Northern) only had 1 or 2 players selected to the State team, and they went on to win Nationals, lets give these boys a chance.

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Now ?

yes now

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yes now

I wonder how many of the orginal Spartans players that got them to the Nationals during the Classics will get back into the team?
You have to feel sorry for the poor 12/13 year olds boys that gave it there best all year having to do try outs again only to loose there position to someone that played Classics for another club and may have been at Spartans for only a week or so.

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I wonder how many of the orginal Spartans players that got them to the Nationals during the Classics will get back into the team?
You have to feel sorry for the poor 12/13 year olds boys that gave it there best all year having to do try outs again only to loose there position to someone that played Classics for another club and may have been at Spartans for only a week or so.

Heard there was 20-25 or so boys at the trials, again raises a lot of questions about players moving.

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Heard there was 20-25 or so boys at the trials, again raises a lot of questions about players moving.

I think if it was my boy that was in the original team and misses out on a spot I would be moving clubs. Take them to a club treats every child with respect.

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I am gathering from your previous email you are talking about trials for nationals going on.
I remind you that it is the club that earned the right to attend the national not the player.
Everyone gets on here and talks about player rights to move to where they will get best training etc. That is right they do but it is also right of clubs to place on floor at all times best team. You can not have it both ways.
This practise started well before we even had Classics with north QLD being the leaders of changing teams from what was then just plain old State Championships.
I personally think BQ should remove clubs attending all together and do what Tasmania do where they select regional teams to attend national championships.

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agree and disagree. associations should be able to put forward the best team possible for the nationals, but at the start of the season. players should swap clubs before trials in which association they think has the best chance of making it to nationals, not "lets play for a weak team all season and hope this or that club retrials later on" - if players think that an association is going to be the best in the comp then move to it before trials and trial at the start of season like everybody else. U16 is when players dont really need to be in any particular team to go to nationals (individuals selected) so YES Spartans should add 2 players to get it up to 12 in total putting a strong team forward but not restructure the whole team (except for 1 or 2 players).

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agree and disagree. associations should be able to put forward the best team possible for the nationals, but at the start of the season. players should swap clubs before trials in which association they think has the best chance of making it to nationals, not "lets play for a weak team all season and hope this or that club retrials later on" - if players think that an association is going to be the best in the comp then move to it before trials and trial at the start of season like everybody else. U16 is when players dont really need to be in any particular team to go to nationals (individuals selected) so YES Spartans should add 2 players to get it up to 12 in total putting a strong team forward but not restructure the whole team (except for 1 or 2 players).

So have Spartans picked the team yet and has Brisbane and Logan done the same thing ???

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So have Spartans picked the team yet and has Brisbane and Logan done the same thing ???

brisbane have not added any other players to its team, it has asked a player from another rep association who plays in the bbi club comp to come and train to help out with numbers.

i think it is awful the kids from spartans who have helped them qualify for nationals are possibly going to miss out, it is called the australian club championships for a reason.

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brisbane have not added any other players to its team, it has asked a player from another rep association who plays in the bbi club comp to come and train to help out with numbers.

i think it is awful the kids from spartans who have helped them qualify for nationals are possibly going to miss out, it is called the australian club championships for a reason.

Surely spartans haven't asked kids from other assocications as It did stipulate on the spartans website that the kids had to be registered and playing club at spartans to go to the trial and if these boys have decided to leave there previous association and go to spartans i'm sure that is a decision made by them and their parents.

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So have Spartans picked the team yet and has Brisbane and Logan done the same thing ???

Squad from SD web site, can someone make a mark next to non SD players

Andrew Adams
Matthew Booysen
Isiah Edwards
Mitchell Elliot
Vanja Gazibegovic
Sean Gray
Jordan Kinnaird
William McDowell-White
Declan Nowland
Grayson Pedwell
Jarod Rasmussen
Nikola Sestic

Reserves
Michael Fielding
Sasa Gazibegovic
Gabriel Koller
Phillip Vegar

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Squad from SD web site, can someone make a mark next to non SD players

Andrew Adams
Matthew Booysen
Isiah Edwards
Mitchell Elliot
Vanja Gazibegovic
Sean Gray
Jordan Kinnaird
William McDowell-White
Declan Nowland
Grayson Pedwell
Jarod Rasmussen
Nikola Sestic

Reserves
Michael Fielding
Sasa Gazibegovic
Gabriel Koller
Phillip Vegar

These boys are very new to spartans
Matthew Booysen
Sean Gray
Mitchell Elliot
Jordan Kinnaird

I don't know about Andrew Adams and Jarod Rasmussen

Nothing like teaching children about being part of a team. Loyalty,commitment and team spirt.

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Squad from SD web site, can someone make a mark next to non SD players

Andrew Adams
Matthew Booysen
Isiah Edwards
Mitchell Elliot
Vanja Gazibegovic
Sean Gray
Jordan Kinnaird
William McDowell-White
Declan Nowland
Grayson Pedwell
Jarod Rasmussen
Nikola Sestic

Reserves
Michael Fielding
Sasa Gazibegovic
Gabriel Koller
Phillip Vegar

So all the boys in the reserves were in the original team.
At least the coaches and assisant coaches sons didn't miss out on a spot in the top 12!!!!!!!!!!

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So all the boys in the reserves were in the original team.
At least the coaches and assisant coaches sons didn't miss out on a spot in the top 12!!!!!!!!!!

Spartans U/14 BOYS NATIONALS SQUAD ANNOUNCED
Played in SD's top U14s team (Southern Cup*) in 2009-2010? If no, where?
Pedwell Yes -
Sestic Yes -
Nowland No SD's second team which played in Challenge Cup last year
Edwards No played SD U12s last year
Rasmuss No played SD U12s last year
McDowell No played in Nationals for Southwest last year
GazibegV No played U12s last year for Southwest
Adams No played for SD in 2010-2011 BQJBC (last couple games)
Booysen No Redlands
Kinnaird No Redlands
Elliot No Northside
Gray No Northside

Reserves
Koller No SD's second team which played in Challenge Cup last year
Fielding No played SD U12s last year
GazibegS No played U12s last year for Southwest, presently injured?
Vegar No played for SD in 2010-2011 since end of BQJBC regular season
*likely b/c numerous top players left SD that year and went to other associations

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Spartans U/14 BOYS NATIONALS SQUAD ANNOUNCED
Played in SD's top U14s team (Southern Cup*) in 2009-2010? If no, where?
Pedwell Yes -
Sestic Yes -
Nowland No SD's second team which played in Challenge Cup last year
Edwards No played SD U12s last year
Rasmuss No played SD U12s last year
McDowell No played in Nationals for Southwest last year
GazibegV No played U12s last year for Southwest
Adams No played for SD in 2010-2011 BQJBC (last couple games)
Booysen No Redlands
Kinnaird No Redlands
Elliot No Northside
Gray No Northside

Reserves
Koller No SD's second team which played in Challenge Cup last year
Fielding No played SD U12s last year
GazibegS No played U12s last year for Southwest, presently injured?
Vegar No played for SD in 2010-2011 since end of BQJBC regular season
*likely b/c numerous top players left SD that year and went to other associations

I think we are talking about the boys that played in the classics team for spartans U14 div 1 in 2011 about 12 weeks ago got them to the nationals have know been made reserves and players from other associations have been put in there spot.

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I think we are talking about the boys that played in the classics team for spartans U14 div 1 in 2011 about 12 weeks ago got them to the nationals have know been made reserves and players from other associations have been put in there spot.

hope spartans have checked the rules as far as i know you can only add 2 players to the team that qualified from state tournaments, would be a shame for the kids who they have now named to miss out but rules are rules as they say

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Squad from SD web site, can someone make a mark next to non SD players

Andrew Adams
Matthew Booysen
Isiah Edwards
Mitchell Elliot
Vanja Gazibegovic
Sean Gray
Jordan Kinnaird
William McDowell-White
Declan Nowland
Grayson Pedwell
Jarod Rasmussen
Nikola Sestic

Reserves
Michael Fielding
Sasa Gazibegovic
Gabriel Koller
Phillip Vegar

State Championships at BBI Teams 2011
Andrew Adams -
Matthew Booysen - redlands div 1
Isiah Edwards - SD spartans div 1 (bottom age)
Mitchell Elliot -
Vanja Gazibegovic - SD spartans div 1 (bottom age)
Sean Gray - north wizards div 1
Jordan Kinnaird - redlands div 1
William McDowell-White - SD spartans div 1
Declan Nowland - SD spartans div 1
Grayson Pedwell - SD spartans div 1
Jarod Rasmussen - SD spartans div 1 (bottom age)
Nikola Sestic - SD spartans div 1

Reserves
Michael Fielding - SD spartans div 1
Sasa Gazibegovic - SD spartans div 1 (bottom age)
Gabriel Koller - SD spartans div 1
Phillip Vegar - SD spartans div 1

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hope spartans have checked the rules as far as i know you can only add 2 players to the team that qualified from state tournaments, would be a shame for the kids who they have now named to miss out but rules are rules as they say

lets just hope that we can have at least one team in top 8 at Nationals this year, two will be great.
for all those wingers, wouldn't it feel good that Spartans (coz we are talking about them so much) go on and make it all the way to say semis, and Logan does the same.
Even though there are kids from other association playing there now, but wouldn't that be boost for all other players, within those two and other clubs as well? knowing that you play at high level in our Rep comp, your opponents are in top 4, 8 or 10 teams in country? Naturally all players in our Rep comp would feel like they are playing very competitive level of basketball, even on a National scale.
I dont know, but that is my view, after all it is Nationals, all clubs are coming with some extra players, so why not us as well.

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lets just hope that we can have at least one team in top 8 at Nationals this year, two will be great.
for all those wingers, wouldn't it feel good that Spartans (coz we are talking about them so much) go on and make it all the way to say semis, and Logan does the same.
Even though there are kids from other association playing there now, but wouldn't that be boost for all other players, within those two and other clubs as well? knowing that you play at high level in our Rep comp, your opponents are in top 4, 8 or 10 teams in country? Naturally all players in our Rep comp would feel like they are playing very competitive level of basketball, even on a National scale.
I dont know, but that is my view, after all it is Nationals, all clubs are coming with some extra players, so why not us as well.

Maybe it's because of the way you get rid off the players that got you to the nationals in the first.

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Maybe it's because of the way you get rid off the players that got you to the nationals in the first.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

Funny musn't apply to U 14

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Not sure why some people are so upset with what is happening at Spartans. No one can ever be forced to join them so why is everyone so concerned with what they are doing with Ups etc. Maybe instead of bagging them for what they are doing you should looking at what your club is not doing. Maybe that is why they are supposedly attracting so much inteerest from so many. They did not win Vince Hickey Shield because they have nothing to offer.
Time for everyone to start thinking and caring about own back yard and stop looking where it seems grass may be getting greener. Dont think what they are doing is right thats fine but stop judging others by your standard or lack of it. Members within every club have the right to vote with feet. It seems that most are agreeing with what they are doing or they would be getting smaller not larger.

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No-one believes your crap but keep dribbling it if it makes you feel better. Way to go - just keep culling the 'lesser' players from your association and justify it by saying everyone has a choice. Plenty have seen the light and will never go back, for others it's a matter of time.

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Way to go - just keep culling the 'lesser' players from your association and justify it by saying everyone has a choice.

Spartans are doing something about what you call the lesser player by running the UPS program. They are bringing in the best coaches from all Associations and getting all players where it is a choice they make to work harder or not. Some will do it and some will not. In the interim period the club standard improves which in time will raise the standard of all players. Talk to Greg and you will see there is a short term and long term strategy in place to make the entire junior program better. They started at the bottom and look at results in under 12 thid year to see what is coming through in the next few years. You clearly have a personal issue with the club so maybe best for you to stop worrying and talking about the Spartans if it upsets you so much.

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Spartans are doing something about what you call the lesser player by running the UPS program. They are bringing in the best coaches from all Associations and getting all players where it is a choice they make to work harder or not. Some will do it and some will not. In the interim period the club standard improves which in time will raise the standard of all players. Talk to Greg and you will see there is a short term and long term strategy in place to make the entire junior program better. They started at the bottom and look at results in under 12 thid year to see what is coming through in the next few years. You clearly have a personal issue with the club so maybe best for you to stop worrying and talking about the Spartans if it upsets you so much.

This is so contradicting - So if they choose not to do ups they can still play rep for your association? Wasn't this original post about how your 4 homegrown players were over looked for the National team. When clearly it states that no players will be chosen before others not playing at your association. Stop dancing around the facts. I do not have an issue with SD I am just making an observation on the rules you set and disregard when you feel like it. I am fortunate enough to have my kids play for an association who has a strong local competition that focuses on development and not revenue.

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Has anyone noticed that SD has taken there info about the UPs program off their website.
i thought and i could be wronge it said that "any player who wishes to play rep at SD this upcoming rep season this program is compulsary and anyone who does not do it will not be eligible for a rep posititon" so have SD had at least 20players in every age group and gender? there rep teams may consist of 6/7players this year. that is the point i think people are making about SD - they say 1 thing to try and smooth things over but then change there mind when they want to.

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This is so contradicting - So if they choose not to do ups they can still play rep for your association? Wasn't this original post about how your 4 homegrown players were over looked for the National team. When clearly it states that no players will be chosen before others not playing at your association. Stop dancing around the facts. I do not have an issue with SD I am just making an observation on the rules you set and disregard when you feel like it. I am fortunate enough to have my kids play for an association who has a strong local competition that focuses on development and not revenue.

Exactly. Well said. I don't have an issue with SD but stop changing the rules that you put up on the Web for the world to see to suit yourselves. (Maybe they can fix the roof with all this extra income or turn on the lights when needed)

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lets just hope that we can have at least one team in top 8 at Nationals this year, two will be great.
for all those wingers, wouldn't it feel good that Spartans (coz we are talking about them so much) go on and make it all the way to say semis, and Logan does the same.
Even though there are kids from other association playing there now, but wouldn't that be boost for all other players, within those two and other clubs as well? knowing that you play at high level in our Rep comp, your opponents are in top 4, 8 or 10 teams in country? Naturally all players in our Rep comp would feel like they are playing very competitive level of basketball, even on a National scale.
I dont know, but that is my view, after all it is Nationals, all clubs are coming with some extra players, so why not us as well.

Maybe you should be the one to explain to the kid and his parents who went to all those trainings to get your team to win its right to compete at nationals, exactly why he is not entitled to participate. And please record it for future reference so everyone can understand how you can value winning over hard work and loyalty. Logan made it all the way to the semis last year with the girls that got them there, it really was an amazing result for Justin and the girls. Even if you did make it to that level there would be little substance to the result. Appauling disgusting and downright embarrassing treatment of kids and families that did the work/committment and should be rewarded.

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Maybe you should be the one to explain to the kid and his parents who went to all those trainings to get your team to win its right to compete at nationals, exactly why he is not entitled to participate. And please record it for future reference so everyone can understand how you can value winning over hard work and loyalty. Logan made it all the way to the semis last year with the girls that got them there, it really was an amazing result for Justin and the girls. Even if you did make it to that level there would be little substance to the result. Appauling disgusting and downright embarrassing treatment of kids and families that did the work/committment and should be rewarded.

Very well said.... it's all about the team that got you there in the first place, that means day 1. You look back at the first couple of post for the season & they all say Spartans are "too good", tough team to beat. Spartans did have a good team through out the season so why did they change their team? that should be the question!!
Not going send my child to Spartans if they are going to change their minds to suit their way of thinking. I mean they only changed their team to win. I think they should look at the Logan girls from last year coming 2nd at Nationals with the team they started with at the start of the season!!
What about the experience they will get at Nationals?

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I am fortunate enough to have my kids play for an association who has a strong local competition that focuses on development and not revenue.

Please share with us who this wonderful club is, they may have an influx of families...

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Anyone know why 4 excellent players from 2 associations (possibly the 2 top players from each of their clubs u14 rep teams) want to move to another Association? Kids don't usually leave their club and team mates at this age without geniune reason. Parents don't usually agree to do this for their kids without genuine reason! 2 families will be driving a long way with this commitment! Isn't it a great thing for Spartans that by making nationals they have also added some top junior players to their association and club level for the future. From what I have seen none of these families are the type of families who would allow their kids to jump teams and be unsportsmanlike! They are committed families who will be great to have around Spartans and will be welcomed, as they would be in any club they went to.

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Please share with us who this wonderful club is, they may have an influx of families...
They already have an influx of families. Families that are happy they don't have to pay to do any programs before being eligible to play rep. That's what makes it so wonderful.

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Anyone know why 4 excellent players from 2 associations (possibly the 2 top players from each of their clubs u14 rep teams) want to move to another Association? Kids don't usually leave their club and team mates at this age without geniune reason. Parents don't usually agree to do this for their kids without genuine reason! 2 families will be driving a long way with this commitment! Isn't it a great thing for Spartans that by making nationals they have also added some top junior players to their association and club level for the future. From what I have seen none of these families are the type of families who would allow their kids to jump teams and be unsportsmanlike! They are committed families who will be great to have around Spartans and will be welcomed, as they would be in any club they went to.

Maybe not so welcomed by the families they took the spots of. You would hope this a parent and not the administrators writing these responses as they just don't get what everyone is trying to say. Why kick the original kids out for nationals. If these kids want to change clubs that's their right to do but maybe they should have started the upcoming season in SD and not the nationals.

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But watched the new Spartans train and this is totally different team. Bigger,faster and more skilled. If the coach can coach and not just recruit then top 4!

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Has anyone noticed that SD has taken there info about the UPs program off their website.
i thought and i could be wronge it said that "any player who wishes to play rep at SD this upcoming rep season this program is compulsary and anyone who does not do it will not be eligible for a rep posititon" so have SD had at least 20players in every age group and gender? there rep teams may consist of 6/7players this year. that is the point i think people are making about SD - they say 1 thing to try and smooth things over but then change there mind when they want to.

There were exemptions for players in State, ITC and school programs along with others for justifiable reasons etc. It looks like Spartans will have in most grades 3 teams of standard thanks to the work that started in clubs and now is being refined through UPS. Over 200 players have been getting coached by the best coaching staff available. Many of these coaches come form other Associations (for some a session by Jason Wright) who brings a definate style to the word training. Saying that Districts have also allowed nearly 20 players from other Associations to be included in the programs on offer. I do not see what people are getting upset about. Not happy then speak with the people in charge. One thing I do know is that being a representative player is a privilege not a right as many seem to think. It is the name on the front of the shirt that matters not the one on the back.
People have always moved for various reasons and that will continue to happen. I did not hear to many bleating when the departure road from Spartans was very busy. It is now turned around through people recognising the effort over last 2 years. The reward for those that decide to make the effort to come is both short term and long term.
Spartans are focused on the future and are returning to where they were ten years ago. Love or hate them they do achieve.

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There were exemptions for players in State, ITC and school programs along with others for justifiable reasons etc. It looks like Spartans will have in most grades 3 teams of standard thanks to the work that started in clubs and now is being refined through UPS. Over 200 players have been getting coached by the best coaching staff available. Many of these coaches come form other Associations (for some a session by Jason Wright) who brings a definate style to the word training. Saying that Districts have also allowed nearly 20 players from other Associations to be included in the programs on offer. I do not see what people are getting upset about. Not happy then speak with the people in charge. One thing I do know is that being a representative player is a privilege not a right as many seem to think. It is the name on the front of the shirt that matters not the one on the back.
People have always moved for various reasons and that will continue to happen. I did not hear to many bleating when the departure road from Spartans was very busy. It is now turned around through people recognising the effort over last 2 years. The reward for those that decide to make the effort to come is both short term and long term.
Spartans are focused on the future and are returning to where they were ten years ago. Love or hate them they do achieve.

What kid wouldn't want to be a part of that!

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Very well said.... it's all about the team that got you there in the first place, that means day 1. You look back at the first couple of post for the season & they all say Spartans are "too good", tough team to beat. Spartans did have a good team through out the season so why did they change their team? that should be the question!!
Not going send my child to Spartans if they are going to change their minds to suit their way of thinking. I mean they only changed their team to win. I think they should look at the Logan girls from last year coming 2nd at Nationals with the team they started with at the start of the season!!
What about the experience they will get at Nationals?

Sounds like your child would not be up to the level of Nationals. Have you ever been to Nationals? It's nothing like Classics and most teams make changes to strengthen their teams to compete at this level. Go along for a look this year and you might be really pleased this all happened and your child can be a little older and stronger to hopefully compete next year.

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Sounds like your child would not be up to the level of Nationals. Have you ever been to Nationals? It's nothing like Classics and most teams make changes to strengthen their teams to compete at this level. Go along for a look this year and you might be really pleased this all happened and your child can be a little older and stronger to hopefully compete next year.
Sorry to spoil your buzz but the U/14 National CLUB Championships isn't a real Nationals either. Vast majority of Emus and Gems and players in Colleges now never competed at an U/14 club championships. It's the next few years that kids develop into basketball players.

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Sorry to spoil your buzz but the U/14 National CLUB Championships isn't a real Nationals either. Vast majority of Emus and Gems and players in Colleges now never competed at an U/14 club championships. It's the next few years that kids develop into basketball players.

Don't tell the SD national teams parents that!!!!!!!! Just ask them how good there children are they will tell you..........

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Don't tell the SD national teams parents that!!!!!!!! Just ask them how good there children are they will tell you..........

Build a bridge!

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Sorry to spoil your buzz but the U/14 National CLUB Championships isn't a real Nationals either. Vast majority of Emus and Gems and players in Colleges now never competed at an U/14 club championships. It's the next few years that kids develop into basketball players.

Right, so you have never been before!

Emu & Gems will skip around all week and hopefully still be able to compete with your basketballer in a few years.

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Right, so you have never been before!

Emu & Gems will skip around all week and hopefully still be able to compete with your basketballer in a few years.
To an U/14 CLUB championships? Only doing admin work.
Coached at National championships in the higher grades but and been to the World Championships to see the Emus, (Motum/Young/Page/Salecich/Stiendle/Hodgson et.al.), "skipping around all week" against the likes of Sheldon Mack and Seth Currie from the USA who got drafted and a few blokes with really long names I cant pronounce or spell who signed Euroleague contracts that year.
Cant claim the honour of coaching u/14 club nationals but still reckon I'm right about a lot of today's college and future pro players never having played at u/14 club nationals. Maybe I'm in good company? Also dont have a kid playing u/14 so maybe I can see the situation without the interference that parent coloured goggles inflict?
Fantastic achievement to the youngsters who have made the final team to compete as spartans. Even more fantastic achievement of the players who won them the right to compete at the national club level. To all you kids and your folks, heads up and dont worry about it. Quite often todays superstars are tomorrows cheerleaders and remember Michael Jordan got cut from his high school team once.

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To an U/14 CLUB championships? Only doing admin work.
Coached at National championships in the higher grades but and been to the World Championships to see the Emus, (Motum/Young/Page/Salecich/Stiendle/Hodgson et.al.), "skipping around all week" against the likes of Sheldon Mack and Seth Currie from the USA who got drafted and a few blokes with really long names I cant pronounce or spell who signed Euroleague contracts that year.
Cant claim the honour of coaching u/14 club nationals but still reckon I'm right about a lot of today's college and future pro players never having played at u/14 club nationals. Maybe I'm in good company? Also dont have a kid playing u/14 so maybe I can see the situation without the interference that parent coloured goggles inflict?
Fantastic achievement to the youngsters who have made the final team to compete as spartans. Even more fantastic achievement of the players who won them the right to compete at the national club level. To all you kids and your folks, heads up and dont worry about it. Quite often todays superstars are tomorrows cheerleaders and remember Michael Jordan got cut from his high school team once.

The kids no doubt will just pick themselves up and get on with it although it would be hard to explain to them why they have been replaced in the team they made it to nationals with. The big issue in all this is spartans demanding 100% loyalty from players and families to even play there, but they have no problem casting them aside for others when it suits them.

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The kids no doubt will just pick themselves up and get on with it although it would be hard to explain to them why they have been replaced in the team they made it to nationals with. The big issue in all this is spartans demanding 100% loyalty from players and families to even play there, but they have no problem casting them aside for others when it suits them.

How many original Spartans players ended up being cut in the end?

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How many original Spartans players ended up being cut in the end?

Four