U18 Boys Premier League 10/11

[Mr bEn]

New season, new thread.

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Does anyone know where the un18 boys classics are being held

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2011 State Championship Hosts Announced
Basketball Queensland would like to congratulate all the associations that have been selected to host the 2011 State Championships

U12’s – Northside Wizards
U14 Girls – Ipswich
U14 Boys – Brisbane
U16 Girls – Townsville
U16 Boys – Southern Districts
U18’s – Gold Coast

The hosts for the 2012 State Championships will be announced in the coming weeks.

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18s over 3 days again...muppets

[ALW]

18s over 3 days again...muppets

Yep not happy.

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18s over 3 days again...muppets

its 4?
29th 30th 1st 2nd?

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So, we all watched the NBA off-season free agency shenanigans, is there any news on off-season player moves for U18s this year?

I'll start the ball(s) rolling (and remember at this stage these are rumours - yet to be confirmed);

Ian Burns (Logan) to Southern Districts
Christian Lam (South West) to BBI

Any other rumours out there?

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Where will games be held? .
- Runaway bay isnt suitable, the courts arent good enough
- I though carrara was getting pulled down with the AFl dvelopment (its courts arent that crash hot either)

- So i assume maybe TSS, but where else?

[Emu]

Where will games be held? .
- Runaway bay isnt suitable, the courts arent good enough
- I though carrara was getting pulled down with the AFl dvelopment (its courts arent that crash hot either)

- So i assume maybe TSS, but where else?

Carrara (Still a couple of years away from being dozed) and Tallebudgera.

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Does anyone know where the un18 boys classics are being held
The always changing ever amazing, Blaze country isnt it?

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Carrara (Still a couple of years away from being dozed) and Tallebudgera.
Just hope it doesnt rain!

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Carrara (Still a couple of years away from being dozed) and Tallebudgera.

Carrara courts ok if using proper sized courts. Talle not competition standard, TSS only has 2 courts (top standard though, yes!).
Good one BQ putting the 18s into the worst stadiums for our top age competition. Not to mention parents have to travel distances to get from one stadium to the other. Good job BQ as always!!!!

[Gold Coast Al]

Carrara courts ok if using proper sized courts. Talle not competition standard, TSS only has 2 courts (top standard though, yes!).
Good one BQ putting the 18s into the worst stadiums for our top age competition. Not to mention parents have to travel distances to get from one stadium to the other. Good job BQ as always!!!!

18's require 6 courts in total.

Carrara will be using 3 courts (the proper sized courts) and Tallebudgera 3 courts (all regulation size). Tallebudgera courts were used for a very successful under 14 girls State Championships last year and there were zero complaints about the courts.

No matter where the 18's are held with no six court facility in South-East QLD there is going to be a need to travel between facilities for the 18's. My understanding is they will run them similar to last year with Logan/Browns Plains in which division 1 are based at one stadium and division 2 at the other with soem minor adjustments with plenty of time given if teams need to play at a different stadium within the same day.

In addition, you may actually find that some associations did not apply or want to host the 18's as they may have felt they do not have the volunteer man power or court availability to do so.

I think it is great that State Championships are on the Gold Coast again this year, up until last year it had been a very very long time (I believe over 10 years) since State Championships were held here.

All in all I am sure it will be a great championships and everyone will enjoy themselves.

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18's require 6 courts in total.

Carrara will be using 3 courts (the proper sized courts) and Tallebudgera 3 courts (all regulation size). Tallebudgera courts were used for a very successful under 14 girls State Championships last year and there were zero complaints about the courts.

No matter where the 18's are held with no six court facility in South-East QLD there is going to be a need to travel between facilities for the 18's. My understanding is they will run them similar to last year with Logan/Browns Plains in which division 1 are based at one stadium and division 2 at the other with soem minor adjustments with plenty of time given if teams need to play at a different stadium within the same day.

In addition, you may actually find that some associations did not apply or want to host the 18's as they may have felt they do not have the volunteer man power or court availability to do so.

I think it is great that State Championships are on the Gold Coast again this year, up until last year it had been a very very long time (I believe over 10 years) since State Championships were held here.

All in all I am sure it will be a great championships and everyone will enjoy themselves.

nothing wrong with Gold Coast

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nothing wrong with Gold Coast

Your right, great place to holiday.

Its basketball facilities are a little short though.

[Gold Coast Al]

Your right, great place to holiday.

Its basketball facilities are a little short though.

Certainly not as short as some places and they are actually improving from past years.....Carrara Stadium management are being very cooperative at the moment and are going about trying to fix a few issues at the moment (roof has been partially fixed for time being but will be permanently fixed soon and floors are being looked at with a view to having them upgraded in the near future) and we have a few really nice 2 and 3 court facilities which have been built in recent years or are being built down here.

In saying all of that in a few more years (2015 seems a likely finish date) and I would probably go as far as saying if things go according to plan (If the Gold Coast are awarded the 2016 Commonwealth games) the Gold Coast will have the best facilities for basketball in QLD and will be the envy of all other asscoiations in QLD (rumour has it the new facility will be a minimum of 6 courts but may possibly be 8 indoor courts with a show court seating around 4,500). Fingers crossed it all pans out!

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Your right, great place to holiday.

Its basketball facilities are a little short though.

"Tallebudgera courts were used for a very successful under 14 girls State Championships last year and there were zero complaints about the courts"

--- Shot clocks on the main courts are useless , they hang on the partitions between the courts. I doubt if people knew they even existed.
----lighting in the main courts after the sun goes down is not adequate.
--- 3rd court although probably regulation size has zero space on the sidelines and very poor ventilation
--- Car parking is hopeless on the weekends as the facility is right beside the beach. Be prepared for a long walk in.
--- worst of all, there is no bar ......

There probably were complaints but who would listen .....

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I am not having a go at GC, just stating my thoughts on the courts

We can only hope you get better facilities in the near future. I dont mind who has the facilities as long as queensland and basketball benefit. The more assocaitons with great facitlies only benefits us all

In all honesty the only places that you can really say have good facilties with numerous courts (by this i mean the actual courts, rings, backbords and reasonable seating)

- Toowoomba thanks to the University and the Pvt School
- Townsville - puprose bult so hard to complain
- Auchenflower - not bad for its age
- Logan - newest and the best as it stands (again purpose built)
- Boondall - not too bad

Am i missing anywhere?

Goldie really need to get TSS online for the tournament. those courts are sweet hence why ABA etc used to be played there.

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Certainly not as short as some places and they are actually improving from past years.....Carrara Stadium management are being very cooperative at the moment and are going about trying to fix a few issues at the moment (roof has been partially fixed for time being but will be permanently fixed soon and floors are being looked at with a view to having them upgraded in the near future) and we have a few really nice 2 and 3 court facilities which have been built in recent years or are being built down here.

In saying all of that in a few more years (2015 seems a likely finish date) and I would probably go as far as saying if things go according to plan (If the Gold Coast are awarded the 2016 Commonwealth games) the Gold Coast will have the best facilities for basketball in QLD and will be the envy of all other asscoiations in QLD (rumour has it the new facility will be a minimum of 6 courts but may possibly be 8 indoor courts with a show court seating around 4,500). Fingers crossed it all pans out!
Fantastic news for the Gold Coast. Definately helps that Anna was a Palmie chick and thats the benefit of your town nurturing competitive women. Not so much concerned about the facilities on the Coast in fact I'd love to coach just one game down the old hall before she goes, but did Burns or anyone consider just what the accomodation availability and pricing is down the Coast over any Easter??? I used to sub let my unit over Easter just to escape the manic traffic, crowds and tourists and pick up a few grand for a week of camping on some pointbreak over the border. Can understand that the crew at BQ are designated Brissos and wouldnt have a clue much less care about the costs and inconvenience to the "customers". Of course the draw wont be out till the last week so nobody will know just which venue they play the most games at and arrange their accom accordingly but with Burn's kid playing you can bet he'll be staying Sofitel on the BQ dime and those mere details wont mean a thing. For us mere underling customers trying to believe Larry's rhetoric about a user friendly sustainable sporting option and keep the game alive somehow, I can tell you for sure the prices havent lessened and the availabilty is still limited.
Would have preferred to see the Coast keep their powder dry and approach the Mayor and the Sports Industry taskforce there to stage a National Championships in a slightly more off peak timeslot and gain a much greater profile and benefit.

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Your right, great place to holiday.

Its basketball facilities are a little short though.

:bravo: couldn't have said it better

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So, we all watched the NBA off-season free agency shenanigans, is there any news on off-season player moves for U18s this year?

I'll start the ball(s) rolling (and remember at this stage these are rumours - yet to be confirmed);

Ian Burns (Logan) to Southern Districts
Christian Lam (South West) to BBI

Any other rumours out there?

Christian is moving to BBI, not sure about Ian though

[AOK]

Fantastic news for the Gold Coast. Definately helps that Anna was a Palmie chick and thats the benefit of your town nurturing competitive women. Not so much concerned about the facilities on the Coast in fact I'd love to coach just one game down the old hall before she goes, but did Burns or anyone consider just what the accomodation availability and pricing is down the Coast over any Easter??? I used to sub let my unit over Easter just to escape the manic traffic, crowds and tourists and pick up a few grand for a week of camping on some pointbreak over the border. Can understand that the crew at BQ are designated Brissos and wouldnt have a clue much less care about the costs and inconvenience to the "customers". Of course the draw wont be out till the last week so nobody will know just which venue they play the most games at and arrange their accom accordingly but with Burn's kid playing you can bet he'll be staying Sofitel on the BQ dime and those mere details wont mean a thing. For us mere underling customers trying to believe Larry's rhetoric about a user friendly sustainable sporting option and keep the game alive somehow, I can tell you for sure the prices havent lessened and the availabilty is still limited.
Would have preferred to see the Coast keep their powder dry and approach the Mayor and the Sports Industry taskforce there to stage a National Championships in a slightly more off peak timeslot and gain a much greater profile and benefit.

Mate the U 18 Classics aint over Easter, so theres one theroy shot to bits.

Burns youngest son don't even play anymore and he is too old for U18 now.

Check your facts omce in awhile and use the enter key between paragraphs and your posts would be a lot better.

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Logan, Boondal, Sunny coast are good. Logan and Boondal probably too isolated.
Then back to SW then a big drop back to the rest. Whats happened to BBI's floors?

[Fly]

Boondall never available over May weekend. Some volleyball tourney runs from 8am to 10 for the 3.5 days using Boondall, Nudgee and a few other places.

And I heard they wanted 5 courts minimum to run 18s.


Kind of funny that someone thinks Ian Burns is son of BQ man, cracked me up. Obviously there's someone who knows what they're talking about...

[Gold Coast Al]

And I heard they wanted 5 courts minimum to run 18s.

...

Actually 6 are needed.

If it was 5 Gold Coast would look at using TSS with Carrara.

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so many good guards, will there be enough ball for all. Lots of size and depth. Both gold and silver will make premier league. First prediction both teams in top 5 at classics. But should/could have done the same last year.

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Top 4 Teams

BBI
NS
SD
Ippi

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Top 4 Teams

BBI
NS
SD
Ippi

Looks down list, Ippy bahahaha

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BBI state champs from under 16s, lots of top agers, depends how they split the bottom age talent
Wizards played div 1 last year, good top agers plus 3 state under 16s
Spartans short on top age players, 3 good bottom age state players not enough
Ippi will struggle for depth

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Heard that Mick Redman and Zane Meehl are heading up Maroocydore's 18 boys this coming season. Mick won a Classics a few years back as an assistant and Zane will definately be getting input from his old man's experience with the age group. Current Clipper Michael Goff and Ex Clippers Stika Kenny and Brock Shakespeare also getting involved. Havent heard of any "name" players but you can bet they will be firing with that level of coaching.

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Heard that Mick Redman and Zane Meehl are heading up Maroocydore's 18 boys this coming season. Mick won a Classics a few years back as an assistant and Zane will definately be getting input from his old man's experience with the age group. Current Clipper Michael Goff and Ex Clippers Stika Kenny and Brock Shakespeare also getting involved. Havent heard of any "name" players but you can bet they will be firing with that level of coaching.

I think they will be firing for sure - in Div 2.

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I think they will be firing for sure - in Div 2.
Cant be the best every year...

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Maroochydore trialled 10 yesterday with 2 bigs away with AFL commitments. Everyone of them could make it and theres a few standouts. Mick and Zane have got a strong nucleus to rebuild a program from. Typical Clippers style with fit athletic guys who run and shoot the lights out and with Gianni coming onboard now the Clippers influence will soon become apparent.

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Div 1 will be

BBI Caps
Northside Wizards
Southern Districts
Sw Pirates
Gold Coast
Ipswich
BBI Silver
Logan

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Players listed below:
Ian Burns
Josh Derksen
Jules Decourtenay
Nico Gryparis
Elliott Mundy
Simon Maloney
James Brackenbury
Guy Web
James Grffin
Ben Stower
Matthew Denman
Mitch Roetteler
Harry Nicholson
Cade Towers

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Archie smith
oscar lin
steve fogarty
nick chia
henry cunningham
jon roth
jacob wilson
tim weigh
jack buffington
christian lam
rafael mathiuet
nick dickinson
justin shultz
dom valvardre
artur schnieder
jacob stalder
mitch casey
chaz grace
richard prendergast
nicholas sell
max quinlan ward

forgot the others about 25 28 all up

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So more cuts to come from both teams? Since i count 14 for districts and you sayy 25 odd at BBI?

[Spartans new policy]

The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

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Bravo
The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

[Gold Coast Al]

The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

That is great to hear! Hopefully more associations will follow along this path to help slow down the ever increasing 'grass is greener' mentality which is growing in basketball, especially here in QLD.

There are so many players swapping associations these days at the drop of a hat, and an increasing amount of coaches trying to attract other association players to their own (and sadly this has probably snowballed in recent times as coaches lose their own 'homegrown' players and they feel the only option is to fight back and attract other associations players to replace them). It all appears a little out of hand.

Gold Coast Basketball has a very similar policy in place and require junior players to qualify (mark is 65% of regular season games) in the season prior to reps in our local comp before they can be selected for Gold Coast rep teams, and if they do not meet the criteria they must provide a good reason and some verification as to why they should be exempt from this rule (ie have moved house, injury, school committments, other committments etc).

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The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

so are you saying if you have kids come to your assoc from another and play rep for one year then they decided to go back to there previous assoc the following year these kids will not be allowed back to spartans??? also do you allow kids to play club at other assoc not just yours??

[Pretty sure]

The policy put in place when you read it says no they will not be able to return unless playing within local competition the previous season. Yes players can play at other Associations (as well) but it is about who you want to represent. No more jumping to suit "grass is greener" metality allowed. Those that have elected to represent another Association have made a decision and we wish them well. As one door closes another door opens for both players left behind and those who elect to leave. The senior programs will focus on using those that want to be here all the time. It is about a player having a committment and focus that encompasses the team is everything mentality.

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so are you saying if you have kids come to your assoc from another and play rep for one year then they decided to go back to there previous assoc the following year these kids will not be allowed back to spartans??? also do you allow kids to play club at other assoc not just yours??

"Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well."

Translated: see you later, good luck , dont call us .......

Your scenario is exactly what this is trying to prevent, players jumping from one Association to the next then back again.
This enforces some loyalty and will make anyone who leaves deal with the long term affects of that decision.

I also believe that there is a required comittment to the Club program at SD to be eligible to play at Rep Level.

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"Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well."

Translated: see you later, good luck , dont call us .......

Your scenario is exactly what this is trying to prevent, players jumping from one Association to the next then back again.
This enforces some loyalty and will make anyone who leaves deal with the long term affects of that decision.

I also believe that there is a required comittment to the Club program at SD to be eligible to play at Rep Level.

thanks just wanted to check as we are deciding where to go next as former loyal players of logan and like this idea very much leaving for those exact reasons.

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[QUOTE=Spartans of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.[/QUOTE]



Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't Josh, Nico, Mitch and Ian all come from other associations because they perceive the "grass to be greener".

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Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't Josh, Nico, Mitch and Ian all come from other associations because they perceive the "grass to be greener".

Yes they have decided to join but they have also decided to stay!!

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yes but when you look at it josh came from Towoomba and that association don't play div one, so i can understand why josh has moved on, but as for ian, he is just moving around and around trying to find the next best thing, this shows he has no loyalty, first south west, then logan, and now on to spartans. lucky that this is his last year or he could have been to every association in South East.

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yes but when you look at it josh came from Towoomba and that association don't play div one, so i can understand why josh has moved on, but as for ian, he is just moving around and around trying to find the next best thing, this shows he has no loyalty, first south west, then logan, and now on to spartans. lucky that this is his last year or he could have been to every association in South East.

Oh piss off, if you think Ian doesn't know anything about loyalty then you don't know the kid at all. In all my dealings with him recently in tournament teams and from feedback from past Rep players I've been impressed with how humble and conscious of "team" Ian is. If he has a flaw it's probably he tries too hard to fit in and please everyone he thinks he should...not exactly what you'd expect from a mercenary who changes assocs at the drop of a hat is it?

I really shouldn't come back here and feed the trolls, but I couldn't let this one go past without comment...

Chris Smith
Coach - Bayside Kings

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Yes they have decided to join but they have also decided to stay!!

Who makes the call that those trialling aren't staying?????

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yes but when you look at it josh came from Towoomba and that association don't play div one, so i can understand why josh has moved on, but as for ian, he is just moving around and around trying to find the next best thing, this shows he has no loyalty, first south west, then logan, and now on to spartans. lucky that this is his last year or he could have been to every association in South East.

Why would Ian want to stay at Logan when chances are they will end up in div 2?

Why wouldn't you want to put your child in the best position for them to improve their game?
If moving associations is the best thing to do, I don't see why not?

Allan, every association that has programs in place for the players charge money. This being said, they should be making a profit.

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Yes they have decided to join but they have also decided to stay!!

The point is if every assoc did this kids would think twice before moving they have to right to move as long as its for the right reason if your unhappy you shouldnt want to go back . Then kids from both sides dont get jipped by drifters

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The future is for us

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.
All looks good on the surface and the intent is probably good. SD have been copping enough flak about the number of players transferring there and an association that needs every paying spectator they can get to keep their SEABL program alive doesnt need any more negative publicity.
Couldnt help read it another way but just for a second. It could be saying "If you want to be part of basketball in Qld in the future then you better join SD now before its too late?" I mean, if you read the bendoes infomercials you would believe that its SD that will be the new Bullets franchise etc and the only place to play.
Anyway good to think good things and that SD have made a move to stem ridiculous "player transfers" when they are really just kiddies. Now if the other Associations took a similar line and all said "And if you trial at Districts and dont make the cut or dont like it-then you cant play here" we would see the practice decrease dramatically.
Its still a shame but that SD are able to guarantee kids a spot in a state team if they transfer there (and also other Associations who have their personnell on the BQ payroll), but BQ are the only ones who can fix that. Whats the chances?

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Why would Ian want to stay at Logan when chances are they will end up in div 2?

Why wouldn't you want to put your child in the best position for them to improve their game?
If moving associations is the best thing to do, I don't see why not?

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Maybe if the child is so good they could really improve and stand out by taking their team to PL? This way is just saying "I want to be in the team photo of the team thats winning"

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Maybe if the child is so good they could really improve and stand out by taking their team to PL? This way is just saying "I want to be in the team photo of the team thats winning"

And maybe every player is doing what they can to put themselves in the best position to go to college in the usa. HECS is a killer!

[AOK]

The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

I know BBI have had a similiar policy for awhile now. If kids want to play there they must meet the criteria and all transfering kids and familys are aware of this.

Personally I am all in favor of stopping the "shopping around" that seems to come out this time of year. If all associations made similiar rules I think this practice would be just about eradicated. Genuine transfers by kids that meet the criteria set out above would require a committment by the family/kid tot their new association.

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Quote "All looks good on the surface and the intent is probably good. SD have been copping enough flak about the number of players transferring there and an association that needs every paying spectator they can get to keep their SEABL program alive doesnt need any more negative publicity."

What negative publicity. Probably most financial club in south through marketing to sponsors with great media support. SEABL is alive and well with Districts looking to be only Queensland team in new NBL second tier competition from 2012.


Quote "Couldnt help read it another way but just for a second. It could be saying "If you want to be part of basketball in Qld in the future then you better join SD now before its too late?" I mean, if you read the bendoes infomercials you would believe that its SD that will be the new Bullets franchise etc and the only place to play."

Districts definately have nothing to do with BQ adminsitration. First off they are not even fully affiliated. Second they have removed QAS?ITC from stadium so have no involvement inState program. They have elected to do new programs that are generating results. They are now fastest growing Association in Queensland. They even got a grant from State Government in recognition to what they are doing in community. As far as Bullets thing goes you have no idea. Bullets were dead in water but they decided to get involved after being told they were not part of NBL. BQ had it under control we were continually told. What rubbish. Maybe someone who was at meeting can explain what happened to this uninformed individual. BBI & Districts put hands up to help get NBL back in Brisbane. SWM & Logan (Fair enough they have WNBL) did not get involved. Wizards, Ipswich and Caboolture didn't even turn up so what does that say to media and sponsors. Did your club turn up?


Quote "Anyway good to think good things and that SD have made a move to stem ridiculous "player transfers" when they are really just kiddies. Now if the other Associations took a similar line and all said "And if you trial at Districts and dont make the cut or dont like it-then you cant play here" we would see the practice decrease dramatically."

All that has been said is make a choice. Listen to what is being said by many others. It was time for someone to make a stand. If you do not make our teams yes if another Association wants you go and play for them. If you keep playing here in domestic competition then you are welcome to try out next year. It is the better players who have "grass is greener this year" that Districts are not willing to have involved.


Quote "Its still a shame but that SD are able to guarantee kids a spot in a state team if they transfer there (and also other Associations who have their personnell on the BQ payroll), but BQ are the only ones who can fix that. Whats the chances?[/QUOTE]

This is just rubbish and people know it. Districts in 2011 only have one person involved in State team coaching staff that I am aware of. Who are you saying is on BQ payroll. You need to check the staff of late.


Trust this now clears up your concerns. Please check the facts before responding. A simple apology will do.

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interseting all the chat this year is about who may want to try out for spartans. what about the amount of abundant talent that has also decided to move on from the spartans experience? over the past couple of seasons as much chat about who decided to move on. all about timing!

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what are some peoples predictions for classics? and what are the teams up north looking like?

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???

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The point is if every assoc did this kids would think twice before moving they have to right to move as long as its for the right reason if your unhappy you shouldnt want to go back . Then kids from both sides dont get jipped by drifters

We could also take away our democratic society and have a police state, stop QBL, NBL players from switching clubs. It would make for an exiciting competion every year the same players on every team every year.

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???


Whys does it take "balls" to punish a 16 year old boy for trialling somewhere else? It's only basketball for god's sake. If these "unwritten rules" were published and common knowledge and not just invoked when it was convenient to ruin somebody, then fine. It's a sad state of affairs that some people are so overjoyed to see a young man penalised.

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Agreed why shouldn't kids see what team suits them and what they might bring to a different tram. Seems a shame to punish a kid for doing what lots of kids have done in the past. How boring to have to play with the same team all your life and boring for spectators as well!

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Whys does it take "balls" to punish a 16 year old boy for trialling somewhere else? It's only basketball for god's sake. If these "unwritten rules" were published and common knowledge and not just invoked when it was convenient to ruin somebody, then fine. It's a sad state of affairs that some people are so overjoyed to see a young man penalised.

Associations always make up rules to suit them at the time, then make special allowances and change the rules to suit themselves. If you are going to have a rule, write it into your by-laws and stick with it.

[Gold Coast Al]

The Gold Coast top side has been selected as:

Jarrod Gamble
Matthew Shingles
Zack Frankland
Michael Katipa
Tom Golden
Dillon Benstead
Matt Gullota
Aaron Devine (bottom ager)
Tyler Allen (bottom ager)
Brodie Munson (bottom ager)

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???

Yes, congratulations on losing your starting point guard, I'm sure your 'big balls' will be so much better for it when you fail to qualify for Premier League... A round of applause for Redlands everybody!

(Oh, and I do believe that the player in question has been selected in the Wizards #1 team & will be playing for them this season, so I'm pretty sure the move will do him more good than harm)

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???

Hey Guys,
I wouldn't usually post here but someone told me about what was being said and I just wanted to make the record straight. First of all Redlands did not drop me, lets just get that straight.Yes they (redlands) found out I was trailing at Northside, but in no way to did I ever lie to them at any stage. Daniel the head of Redlands called under 18s Redlands coach (rob) and told him that he had to take me out of the team due to this 'rule' that no one at Redlands including rob as heard about. Rob told my Dad that it was not a rule he ever heard of and it was fine with him for me to come to training and play in practice matches but if I went to another trial I would be out of the team. A week before the next trail I told everyone in my team including rob that I would withdrawing myself out of team so that they can move people up to the team and have more time to get ready etc.

I would really like to thank Rob for all his support, I really admire him as a coach and person.
Also like to thank people at Redlands for the past two years they have been great.
I think it would be great if the rule was in writing so players know about it and its law not just appear in some cases.
Hopefully Redlands can play wizards :)
Thanks,
Dylan Desmarchelier

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Hey Guys,
I wouldn't usually post here but someone told me about what was being said and I just wanted to make the record straight. First of all Redlands did not drop me, lets just get that straight.Yes they (redlands) found out I was trailing at Northside, but in no way to did I ever lie to them at any stage. Daniel the head of Redlands called under 18s Redlands coach (rob) and told him that he had to take me out of the team due to this 'rule' that no one at Redlands including rob as heard about. Rob told my Dad that it was not a rule he ever heard of and it was fine with him for me to come to training and play in practice matches but if I went to another trial I would be out of the team. A week before the next trail I told everyone in my team including rob that I would withdrawing myself out of team so that they can move people up to the team and have more time to get ready etc.

I would really like to thank Rob for all his support, I really admire him as a coach and person.
Also like to thank people at Redlands for the past two years they have been great.
I think it would be great if the rule was in writing so players know about it and its law not just appear in some cases.
Hopefully Redlands can play wizards :)
Thanks,
Dylan Desmarchelier



Dylan,

You are not the only one to be caught unawares by this 'rule' and BQ needs to take a stance so it is clear to everyone.

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Something does not sound right here.
The rule has always been at Redlands that if a player triails for Redlands and is selected in the team , then they trial elswhere they will be dropped from that team.
The rule has been in Redlands since first joining the BQJBC and has been invoked on at least 4 other occasions since then, another player from the other u18's team was dropped for the same reason earlier than Dylan.

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???

I can confirm that Dylan gave his coaches and peers at redlands notice that he would be removing himself from the Redlands list. This was done well before Wizards had selected their teams for this upcoming season.

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I have to say Dylan getting on here and telling it as is is, is the best thing I've read on Bendoes in a long time. If the associations have these rules how is it even the coaches don't know them. I agree it is a BQ issue, these secret rules have to be in writing. but I have to say if the program is producing kids like Dylan then alls good.

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Something does not sound right here.
The rule has always been at Redlands that if a player triails for Redlands and is selected in the team , then they trial elswhere they will be dropped from that team.
The rule has been in Redlands since first joining the BQJBC and has been invoked on at least 4 other occasions since then, another player from the other u18's team was dropped for the same reason earlier than Dylan.

The first problem with the 'rule' is that it does not appear in writing, anywhere. Not in the player or parent information pack, or any other material handed out to representative players at Redlands. It has never been mentioned at trials, during the selection process or even once the teams have been selected.

The second problem is that the rule is inconsistently applied. I know of a player last year in U16s who was trialling elsewhere, again made no secret about it, however was still selected in the Redlands team (he did end up playing elsewhere). In the end though Dylan has ended up making the right choice for him - Northside will be a Premier League contender, Redlands may not make even make it. Northside will also be stronger as well, the addition of Dylan makes both their back court a formidable unit (that matches their equally impressive front court).

The main problem with this whole 'grass is greener' thing is that the player and the parents, as well as the associations involved, should be more concerned about the welfare/needs of the player than the association. Here's a case study for you all...

A player, let's say his name is Johnno, is a guard, not a starter but still a regular contributor because his coach likes to play 'small ball' because the association hasn't had a lot of bigs. Then, the next season, a whole bunch of bigs trial at the association & a new coach who likes to focus all his plays around inside players takes the coaching job. Johnno quickly works out that while he'll still make the team, chances are his minutes are going to reduce significantly and his development may suffer as the bigs are now more of a focus at training and in games.

Now, is it wrong for Johnno to trial at another association where his style of play may be better utilised, or where his development would be continued?

I am pretty sure that most of the players mentioned here already - Dylan, Ian, Christian etc - have changed associations because they (or their families) decided that it would be better for them (the player) in the long run. Personally, I see no problem in a player changing associations (as my case study highlights) because team rosters, coaches and other situations change. Give the kids a break, let them ball and get on with enjoying the season to come...

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The first problem with the 'rule' is that it does not appear in writing, anywhere. Not in the player or parent information pack, or any other material handed out to representative players at Redlands. It has never been mentioned at trials, during the selection process or even once the teams have been selected.

The second problem is that the rule is inconsistently applied. I know of a player last year in U16s who was trialling elsewhere, again made no secret about it, however was still selected in the Redlands team (he did end up playing elsewhere). In the end though Dylan has ended up making the right choice for him - Northside will be a Premier League contender, Redlands may not make even make it. Northside will also be stronger as well, the addition of Dylan makes both their back court a formidable unit (that matches their equally impressive front court).

The main problem with this whole 'grass is greener' thing is that the player and the parents, as well as the associations involved, should be more concerned about the welfare/needs of the player than the association. Here's a case study for you all...

A player, let's say his name is Johnno, is a guard, not a starter but still a regular contributor because his coach likes to play 'small ball' because the association hasn't had a lot of bigs. Then, the next season, a whole bunch of bigs trial at the association & a new coach who likes to focus all his plays around inside players takes the coaching job. Johnno quickly works out that while he'll still make the team, chances are his minutes are going to reduce significantly and his development may suffer as the bigs are now more of a focus at training and in games.

Now, is it wrong for Johnno to trial at another association where his style of play may be better utilised, or where his development would be continued?

I am pretty sure that most of the players mentioned here already - Dylan, Ian, Christian etc - have changed associations because they (or their families) decided that it would be better for them (the player) in the long run. Personally, I see no problem in a player changing associations (as my case study highlights) because team rosters, coaches and other situations change. Give the kids a break, let them ball and get on with enjoying the season to come...

This makes sense to me and remember-the association in this scenario did not say "no" to the new players to protect their current players court time and in a real scenario they wouldn't either. Both associations and players want the best for themselves so let them get on with it. Loyalty must run both ways-it doesn't and it won't because that would stunt the growth of the sport...so it should be a free market all round.

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Ill play devils advocate as i can see this from both sides.

If kids hedge the bets and trial at more than one assocaition then they take a risk. If they think one sitatuion will be better for them than another, then why trial at the 'other' assocation at all?

You cant expect an assocaition to wait for the kids choice, they need to select a team and move on with thier program. Kids either want to be apart of that (even if in a limited role eg reduced min) or not.

Just out of curioisty if Dylan hadnt made Northside, he would have been out of a team altogether by the sounds of it. I do applaud him being upfront though with both parties and explaining the sitatuion. However given he obviosuly thought NS was the better fit, i fail to understand why he would trial at redlands at all? Redlands now need to find a new guard after they have trialled (and cut by the sounds of it). This is hardly fair on the Redlands TEAM meaning also the other kids and thier welfare, not just the association. Plus no assocaiton wants to be a fallback assocation for kids that dont make it elsewhere. That dosent send a good message to thier own juniors

Kids have the right to change assocations and trial elsewhere, there is no doubt about it. But they also should be aware that there may be consequences with that (whether written or not ) especailly if they trail at more than on assocation in the same year. Otherwise you have to question which program they want to be involved in.

Whilst there is no CBA (collective bargaining agreement) in junior sports everyone just wants a fair outcome for all eg players and assocations. There will never be an exact balance so there is no point everyone carrying on about it. However we all need to accept you cant have the best of both worlds and actions always have consequences whether they are for the better or worse

So can we all talk real baskbetball on the forums rather than venting our grievances.

Just a thought

PS- Good luck Dylan at NS and Good luck to Redlands on finding a suitable replacement.

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talking about NS does anyone know who is in there div 1 team??

[Fly]

yes.

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Ill play devils advocate as i can see this from both sides.

If kids hedge the bets and trial at more than one assocaition then they take a risk. If they think one sitatuion will be better for them than another, then why trial at the 'other' assocation at all?

You cant expect an assocaition to wait for the kids choice, they need to select a team and move on with thier program. Kids either want to be apart of that (even if in a limited role eg reduced min) or not.

Just out of curioisty if Dylan hadnt made Northside, he would have been out of a team altogether by the sounds of it. I do applaud him being upfront though with both parties and explaining the sitatuion. However given he obviosuly thought NS was the better fit, i fail to understand why he would trial at redlands at all? Redlands now need to find a new guard after they have trialled (and cut by the sounds of it). This is hardly fair on the Redlands TEAM meaning also the other kids and thier welfare, not just the association. Plus no assocaiton wants to be a fallback assocation for kids that dont make it elsewhere. That dosent send a good message to thier own juniors

Kids have the right to change assocations and trial elsewhere, there is no doubt about it. But they also should be aware that there may be consequences with that (whether written or not ) especailly if they trail at more than on assocation in the same year. Otherwise you have to question which program they want to be involved in.

Whilst there is no CBA (collective bargaining agreement) in junior sports everyone just wants a fair outcome for all eg players and assocations. There will never be an exact balance so there is no point everyone carrying on about it. However we all need to accept you cant have the best of both worlds and actions always have consequences whether they are for the better or worse

So can we all talk real baskbetball on the forums rather than venting our grievances.

Just a thought

PS- Good luck Dylan at NS and Good luck to Redlands on finding a suitable replacement.

Unfortunately, I have had similar to my son some years ago (with regards to player movement) my son played in one association all his rep career, he missed out playing in a premier league side due to 3/4 kids coming in from other assoc. These kids did not come over to better themselves, they came to win state championships, in fact the boy that took my sons spot went back to his original assoc the next year and then tried to come back the year after that. All he wanted to do was win championships, in our case the coach was as much to blame as the player and our assoc for letting it happen. So all this hooey about kids wanting to better themselves may be the case in some situations but certainly not all.

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Come on Fly spill the beans,I'm sure it's a ripper.

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yes.

piss funny

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Come on Fly spill the beans,I'm sure it's a ripper.

i know too

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yes.

Fly is one funny guy! Y'all will have to wait until grading Haha!!!!!!

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Unfortunately, I have had similar to my son some years ago (with regards to player movement) my son played in one association all his rep career, he missed out playing in a premier league side due to 3/4 kids coming in from other assoc. These kids did not come over to better themselves, they came to win state championships, in fact the boy that took my sons spot went back to his original assoc the next year and then tried to come back the year after that. All he wanted to do was win championships, in our case the coach was as much to blame as the player and our assoc for letting it happen. So all this hooey about kids wanting to better themselves may be the case in some situations but certainly not all.

sounds like you and your son need to wake up to the reality of your sons playing ability/inability and skills if he was replace by "3/4 kids coming in from other assoc"...

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The first problem with the 'rule' is that it does not appear in writing, anywhere. Not in the player or parent information pack, or any other material handed out to representative players at Redlands. It has never been mentioned at trials, during the selection process or even once the teams have been selected.

The second problem is that the rule is inconsistently applied. I know of a player last year in U16s who was trialling elsewhere, again made no secret about it, however was still selected in the Redlands team (he did end up playing elsewhere). In the end though Dylan has ended up making the right choice for him - Northside will be a Premier League contender, Redlands may not make even make it. Northside will also be stronger as well, the addition of Dylan makes both their back court a formidable unit (that matches their equally impressive front court).

The main problem with this whole 'grass is greener' thing is that the player and the parents, as well as the associations involved, should be more concerned about the welfare/needs of the player than the association. Here's a case study for you all...

A player, let's say his name is Johnno, is a guard, not a starter but still a regular contributor because his coach likes to play 'small ball' because the association hasn't had a lot of bigs. Then, the next season, a whole bunch of bigs trial at the association & a new coach who likes to focus all his plays around inside players takes the coaching job. Johnno quickly works out that while he'll still make the team, chances are his minutes are going to reduce significantly and his development may suffer as the bigs are now more of a focus at training and in games.

Now, is it wrong for Johnno to trial at another association where his style of play may be better utilised, or where his development would be continued?

I am pretty sure that most of the players mentioned here already - Dylan, Ian, Christian etc - have changed associations because they (or their families) decided that it would be better for them (the player) in the long run. Personally, I see no problem in a player changing associations (as my case study highlights) because team rosters, coaches and other situations change. Give the kids a break, let them ball and get on with enjoying the season to come...
Gee mate with case studies and all and scenariois around court time I never once saw anything about the kid playing with a "team" of guys and doing his "developing" by learning to fit in a role and earn the respect of his peers and all the other things young guys used to like about playing sport together. Very "me-centric" dont you think?
All this talk sounds like they are pro players or future Boomers or something when the realitry is that if they arent at the AIS and/or havent made the Emus for next years worlds yet there's a pretty strong probability they arent going to the heights your projecting. Maybe hooking in and building a team and an association's 'culture' is the best mark they will leave on the game in their playing time? Have a great time playing as part of a team and create a place in an Association where their kids and grandkids will be welcomed on the strength of their contribution? Ours is an amateur sport with a very small semi pro and even smaller pro contingent.
Reality check.

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Gee mate with case studies and all and scenariois around court time I never once saw anything about the kid playing with a "team" of guys and doing his "developing" by learning to fit in a role and earn the respect of his peers and all the other things young guys used to like about playing sport together. Very "me-centric" dont you think?
All this talk sounds like they are pro players or future Boomers or something when the realitry is that if they arent at the AIS and/or havent made the Emus for next years worlds yet there's a pretty strong probability they arent going to the heights your projecting. Maybe hooking in and building a team and an association's 'culture' is the best mark they will leave on the game in their playing time? Have a great time playing as part of a team and create a place in an Association where their kids and grandkids will be welcomed on the strength of their contribution? Ours is an amateur sport with a very small semi pro and even smaller pro contingent.
Reality check.

Yep, 16 & 17 year old kids will sit on the bench everyweek, put up with a rubbish coach or obnoxious team mates ( and pay through the nose for the pleasure) for the sake of their grandkids.

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Gee mate with case studies and all and scenariois around court time I never once saw anything about the kid playing with a "team" of guys and doing his "developing" by learning to fit in a role and earn the respect of his peers and all the other things young guys used to like about playing sport together. Very "me-centric" dont you think?
All this talk sounds like they are pro players or future Boomers or something when the realitry is that if they arent at the AIS and/or havent made the Emus for next years worlds yet there's a pretty strong probability they arent going to the heights your projecting. Maybe hooking in and building a team and an association's 'culture' is the best mark they will leave on the game in their playing time? Have a great time playing as part of a team and create a place in an Association where their kids and grandkids will be welcomed on the strength of their contribution? Ours is an amateur sport with a very small semi pro and even smaller pro contingent.
Reality check.

Exactly spot on. It is just kids playing in a local competition, no where near the standards set in Victoria. They might be talented but so are many other kids across Aust. Big fish in a small pond.

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So when are associations going to spill the beans on thier teams. So far only Districts has posted?

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So when are associations going to spill the beans on thier teams. So far only Districts has posted?

bbi, gold coast and logan have team lists up.

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Alright here is what we know so far

[b]Logan Thunder (18 boys PL) [b]
Peter Nichols
David Stone
Brad Meechan
Brad Saul
Joshua Pitman
Chris McMillan
Zac Dunfree-Scott
Michael Manego
Rodger Morris
Luke Beaver
Joshua Apete
Jordan Day

[b]Districts[b]
Ian Burns
Josh Derksen
Jules Decourtenay
Nico Gryparis
Elliott Mundy
Simon Maloney
James Brackenbury
Hoani Walker-Tepania
James Griffen
Ben Stower
Matthew Denman
Mitch Roetteler
Harry Nicholson
Cade Towers

[b]Brisbane[b] (doesnt look like there Gold/Silver are split yet)
Toby Abernethy
Cooper Breen
Jack Buffington
Mitch Casey
Nick Chia
Henry Cunningham
Nick Dickinson
Steven Fogarty
Chaz Grace
Ben Harwin
Oscar Lin
Christian Lam
Rafael Mathiuet
Declan Pang
Ranko Puseljvic
Jon Roth
Justin Schultz
Nick Sell
Archie Smith
Jakob Stalder
Dominic Valmadre
Tim Weigh
Jacob Wilson

Cant find GCs, Wizrds, ipswich, Mdores or SW

[roller]

The Gold Coast top side has been selected as:

Jarrod Gamble
Matthew Shingles
Zack Frankland
Michael Katipa
Tom Golden
Dillon Benstead
Matt Gullota
Aaron Devine (bottom ager)
Tyler Allen (bottom ager)
Brodie Munson (bottom ager)

gold coast team

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Yep, 16 & 17 year old kids will sit on the bench everyweek, put up with a rubbish coach or obnoxious team mates ( and pay through the nose for the pleasure) for the sake of their grandkids.
And the 16/17 yr old kid is qualified to know what constitutes a 'rubbish" coach?...or is that just your slant? And your coaching knowledge and experience is...?
Be interesting to find if his new coach is considered rubbish and if he finds his new teammates obnoxious. I reckon if coach makes the kid the focus of everything and tells you what you want to hear he'll be considered a champion coach.
Kids earn respect from their peers. It's definately not given on demand.
Comes a time in any persons life where they have to accept they are not the centre of the universe and will have to learn to gel and be accepted by others. Actually junior sport is a great place to start.

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[Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.


The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.[/QUOTE]



Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???

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I count 14 players in the spartans?

What was Hoani trialing somewhere else?

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guy webb was on the list instead and he replaced guy.

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[Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.


The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.



Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???[/QUOTE]

the mighty $$$$ speaks louder than any policy apparently... word is that Hoani and few other Spartan imports are being 'sponsored' to play there, it has nothing to do with loyalty or policy... big QUESTION here... how do the other Spartan families feel knowing that imports have been bribed (opps sorry slip of the fingers typing) I mean sponsored to play there when their sons are missing out on positions their sons are quite capable of filling.

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Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???

the mighty $$$$ speaks louder than any policy apparently... word is that Hoani and few other Spartan imports are being 'sponsored' to play there, it has nothing to do with loyalty or policy... big QUESTION here... how do the other Spartan families feel knowing that imports have been bribed (opps sorry slip of the fingers typing) I mean sponsored to play there when their sons are missing out on positions their sons are quite capable of filling.[/QUOTE]

Thats a fairly large and serious accusation to make, especially from some one using an anonymous login. Suggest you back up your story with some solid evidence.

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the mighty $$$$ speaks louder than any policy apparently... word is that Hoani and few other Spartan imports are being 'sponsored' to play there, it has nothing to do with loyalty or policy... big QUESTION here... how do the other Spartan families feel knowing that imports have been bribed (opps sorry slip of the fingers typing) I mean sponsored to play there when their sons are missing out on positions their sons are quite capable of filling.

Thats a fairly large and serious accusation to make, especially from some one using an anonymous login. Suggest you back up your story with some solid evidence.[/QUOTE]

game fees paid... or rego paid... or uniforms bought... one or more of these kind acts from well meaning 'sponsors' is my point here. Come on do not say it hasn't been done before and that it is not being done today...

by the way this is a public forum and I apologise to Hoani and his family for using his name here.

Perhaps these boys shouldn't be sharing info with their friends on their public blog sites.

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I have heard of a family getting 'sponsored' this year for a few children playing Rep at spartans. I wondered how the full paying families feel about this? Also not having to play club games as well. Is this fair?

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While I certainly don't agree with 'sponsoring/recruiting' within junior sport, I do think there are situations where subsidies and support is genuinely warranted. As with most of these discussions, there very many shades of grey.

If a family is in genuine need of assistance and the absence of that assistance would preclude their children from playing, I would hope that our society hasn't lurched so far to the right that we would kick those kids out (BQ - is anybody home?). After all, they are kids and it is just sport.

Of course, such a scheme/system is open to abuse but that comes with the territory. How many NBA/WNBA players would be where they are without the US collegiate and high school scholarship system? I'm sure there are plenty of examples of coaches/schools/clubs doing the wrong thing but that's why they create rules!!

Interestingly apparently the VJBL approved a motion overnight ot limit the number of clearances TO a particular club to 2 per season (not sure whether a club is a team or a club) but sounds like one way of stemming the flow (if in fact that is what we need to do).

Personally I think the only way to guarantee kids dont leave your club in droves is to develop the best program you can (quality coaches, good facilities, excellent value for money). If you've done that and they still leave then you'll most likely wish them well. Mind you, they probably wont be interested in leaving either!

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[Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.


The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.



Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???[/QUOTE]

Read it again, it is saying that they will not take players from other clubs over SD locals for SENIOR TEAMS , old mate Hoani is now a SD Junior therefore making him available for the Senior program (and a free pair of socks if he is lucky)

[Times changing]

Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???

Read it again, it is saying that they will not take players from other clubs over SD locals for SENIOR TEAMS , old mate Hoani is now a SD Junior therefore making him available for the Senior program (and a free pair of socks if he is lucky)[/QUOTE]

And as a junior he will have access to the senior programs being established at Carina. Say what you want (please no more arguments) but SEABL on a week to week basis is considered by most to be a much better standard in which to play, if a player has serious intentions of moving to NBL while staying at home in Queensland. We in the south do not have NBL in Brisbane and the Brisbane Spartans are where players will want to play to be exposed to the bigger and better Australian powerhouse clubs.
Yes QBL has players making the jump but SEABL has a lot more.
This may be a one off move by a player getting close to senior ranks or it just may be the start of a flood, with the better juniors, who want a chance and are not identified by AIS seeing another way to get there.
If it is the start of the flood then we are about to see Districts with 2 teams in Premier League on a regular basis as they develop a pathway to SEABL for young players. No one can say they have not been clear about the intent in using juniors.
Districts obviously are placing huge resources into SEABL and have a right to make clear to those who aspire to use it as a way to the top that they must be at club in junior ranks. I am sure they will grab players over the years who do not jump in juniors when it suits them but it is going to be on a young players mind now Districts have made a stand.
What I do not understand is why BBI, Gold Coast and even (perhaps) Wizards are not trying to be in SEABL as well. We all understand in 2012 (I hear) the SEABL will be the second tier of all basketball in Australia behind the NBL. Surely Queensland will have at least 2 teams for young players to increase the pathway of pursuit/dreams.

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I have heard of a family getting 'sponsored' this year for a few children playing Rep at spartans. I wondered how the full paying families feel about this? Also not having to play club games as well. Is this fair?

Not only can you move to Spartans you can get into Div 1 without trialling and knocking out 2 loyal juniors that have played club and rep at Spartans for a number of years,
So how do you become loyal enough for SEABL???
Going from /18's to Seabl is a joke do GBL for a season or two then maybe make the SEABL team.
sounds to me like someone has made rash decisions about what constitutes loyalty without looking at finer points like loyalty to juniors first.

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Not only can you move to Spartans you can get into Div 1 without trialling and knocking out 2 loyal juniors that have played club and rep at Spartans for a number of years,
So how do you become loyal enough for SEABL???
Going from /18's to Seabl is a joke do GBL for a season or two then maybe make the SEABL team.
sounds to me like someone has made rash decisions about what constitutes loyalty without looking at finer points like loyalty to juniors first.

Big boys do not cry. Either you are good enough or not if you are serious about playing in SEABL. Districts do not play under 20 nor dev league (same as BBI I think) electing to use GBL and local A grade competition as part of the greater program. Those people who choose not to follow have made a choice. Not an issue, but when you are building an elite program you need to start as low down (age group) as possible. We will see who is wrong and who is right over next few years but I am guessing players currently at college when returning to south east who do not have an NBL gig organised and still desire to play at highest level will move to Spartans.
Just makes sense as you will get exposed to more then the local community. Someone who may be sitting at 9 or 10 on bench in first team of under 18 will really not have a problem moving to starting line up of second team. I am sure they will be happy to get the playing time. Given Districts are looking to get to the situation where they have 2 teams in premier league within 5 years in all age groups those suggesting loyalty is lost are talking about players who will have been 19th and 20th.
These guys will still be eligble to be part of GBL and A grade support structure so will still have access to overall program. If they are younger juniors they will have the next year to do some real training to push for higher placing in age group structure for next years team. For some this may be a blessing.
This is just not about under 18 with Districts targeting the younger age groups in a serious manner. Hopefully by raising the bar with many programs they will have within 5 years 2 teams in premier league coming through from under 12 age groups. Just maybe south Queensland is just starting to see the future emerging where we have lots of clubs getting serious about junior sport which will stop the jumping so we are all tough and capable just like the vics.

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Big boys do not cry. Either you are good enough or not if you are serious about playing in SEABL. Districts do not play under 20 nor dev league (same as BBI I think) electing to use GBL and local A grade competition as part of the greater program. Those people who choose not to follow have made a choice. Not an issue, but when you are building an elite program you need to start as low down (age group) as possible. We will see who is wrong and who is right over next few years but I am guessing players currently at college when returning to south east who do not have an NBL gig organised and still desire to play at highest level will move to Spartans.
Just makes sense as you will get exposed to more then the local community. Someone who may be sitting at 9 or 10 on bench in first team of under 18 will really not have a problem moving to starting line up of second team. I am sure they will be happy to get the playing time. Given Districts are looking to get to the situation where they have 2 teams in premier league within 5 years in all age groups those suggesting loyalty is lost are talking about players who will have been 19th and 20th.
These guys will still be eligble to be part of GBL and A grade support structure so will still have access to overall program. If they are younger juniors they will have the next year to do some real training to push for higher placing in age group structure for next years team. For some this may be a blessing.
This is just not about under 18 with Districts targeting the younger age groups in a serious manner. Hopefully by raising the bar with many programs they will have within 5 years 2 teams in premier league coming through from under 12 age groups. Just maybe south Queensland is just starting to see the future emerging where we have lots of clubs getting serious about junior sport which will stop the jumping so we are all tough and capable just like the vics.

So what you are finally saying is that loyalty is expected from your good players but if a "maybe" better player comes along don't expect the same loyalty from your club-suck it up go to 2nd team with an amateur coach and be happy about it.

[Second teams matter]

So what you are finally saying is that loyalty is expected from your good players but if a "maybe" better player comes along don't expect the same loyalty from your club-suck it up go to 2nd team with an amateur coach and be happy about it.

You really have no idea do you what Districts is doing. Greg Vanderjagt is no second rate coach. Greg will run a great second team squad that will work with the first team staff and also GBL and on going the SEABL program. Do not judge us by your standards. We are trying to make a difference at all levels. In the women programs Rebecca Stephens is one of the best up and coming womens coaches around working with Tony Stephens the under 18 womens head coach. Time people remembered that it is not a right to play this great sport at a high level but a privilege. You earn the privilege through hard work sometimes over a lengthy period of time.

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My little club rewards kids effort with the occasional McDonalds voucher! Maybe we too can have a champion team if we were a little more liberal with the free Big Macs and fries!

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Read it again, it is saying that they will not take players from other clubs over SD locals for SENIOR TEAMS , old mate Hoani is now a SD Junior therefore making him available for the Senior program (and a free pair of socks if he is lucky)

And as a junior he will have access to the senior programs being established at Carina. Say what you want (please no more arguments) but SEABL on a week to week basis is considered by most to be a much better standard in which to play, if a player has serious intentions of moving to NBL while staying at home in Queensland. We in the south do not have NBL in Brisbane and the Brisbane Spartans are where players will want to play to be exposed to the bigger and better Australian powerhouse clubs.
Yes QBL has players making the jump but SEABL has a lot more.
This may be a one off move by a player getting close to senior ranks or it just may be the start of a flood, with the better juniors, who want a chance and are not identified by AIS seeing another way to get there.
If it is the start of the flood then we are about to see Districts with 2 teams in Premier League on a regular basis as they develop a pathway to SEABL for young players. No one can say they have not been clear about the intent in using juniors.
Districts obviously are placing huge resources into SEABL and have a right to make clear to those who aspire to use it as a way to the top that they must be at club in junior ranks. I am sure they will grab players over the years who do not jump in juniors when it suits them but it is going to be on a young players mind now Districts have made a stand.
What I do not understand is why BBI, Gold Coast and even (perhaps) Wizards are not trying to be in SEABL as well. We all understand in 2012 (I hear) the SEABL will be the second tier of all basketball in Australia behind the NBL. Surely Queensland will have at least 2 teams for young players to increase the pathway of pursuit/dreams.[/QUOTE]

Like you said people are still making the jump from QBL to NBL that is good. I dont think that too many teams from brisbane and queensland for that matter are going to put a team into the SEABL comp. The Nomination cost, Payed players, and on top of that the extensive amount of travel that the club would have to do is very costly. They can save this money by having the players drive to most games and go on a road trip 2 times a season. If the player has what it takes they will make it.

also remember that there are not many professional teams in the NBL these days and trying to get a gig is tough no matter where you are playing.

now that you have seen most of the team lists any wanna make predictions on top premier league teams???

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And as a junior he will have access to the senior programs being established at Carina. Say what you want (please no more arguments) but SEABL on a week to week basis is considered by most to be a much better standard in which to play, if a player has serious intentions of moving to NBL while staying at home in Queensland. We in the south do not have NBL in Brisbane and the Brisbane Spartans are where players will want to play to be exposed to the bigger and better Australian powerhouse clubs.
Yes QBL has players making the jump but SEABL has a lot more.
This may be a one off move by a player getting close to senior ranks or it just may be the start of a flood, with the better juniors, who want a chance and are not identified by AIS seeing another way to get there.
If it is the start of the flood then we are about to see Districts with 2 teams in Premier League on a regular basis as they develop a pathway to SEABL for young players. No one can say they have not been clear about the intent in using juniors.
Districts obviously are placing huge resources into SEABL and have a right to make clear to those who aspire to use it as a way to the top that they must be at club in junior ranks. I am sure they will grab players over the years who do not jump in juniors when it suits them but it is going to be on a young players mind now Districts have made a stand.
What I do not understand is why BBI, Gold Coast and even (perhaps) Wizards are not trying to be in SEABL as well. We all understand in 2012 (I hear) the SEABL will be the second tier of all basketball in Australia behind the NBL. Surely Queensland will have at least 2 teams for young players to increase the pathway of pursuit/dreams.

Like you said people are still making the jump from QBL to NBL that is good. I dont think that too many teams from brisbane and queensland for that matter are going to put a team into the SEABL comp. The Nomination cost, Payed players, and on top of that the extensive amount of travel that the club would have to do is very costly. They can save this money by having the players drive to most games and go on a road trip 2 times a season. If the player has what it takes they will make it.

also remember that there are not many professional teams in the NBL these days and trying to get a gig is tough no matter where you are playing.

now that you have seen most of the team lists any wanna make predictions on top premier league teams???[/QUOTE]

I am replying to the first part of the blog, what about 12 posts ago about the grass being greener and Districts not allowing juniors from other assoc. jumping across and supporting the "local" kids???

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When did bendoes become the offical site for Spartans. Sure takes the heat off the other guys.

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Spartans parent/s don't only pay for their son to have good team mates.
But for Leroy to coach.
Pretty obvious whose going to make the team and probably start.

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Spartans parent/s don't only pay for their son to have good team mates.
But for Leroy to coach.
Pretty obvious whose going to make the team and probably start.

are you saying someone is paying leroy ?? i think thats a load of crap

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are you saying someone is paying leroy ?? i think thats a load of crap

your fees must be high then

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your fees must be high then

Spartans wouldn't be paying him but someone else might?

Spartans are one of the more expensive associations to play at.

Talking of fees, who's paying what at each association this year?

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Spartans wouldn't be paying him but someone else might?

Spartans are one of the more expensive associations to play at.

Talking of fees, who's paying what at each association this year?

Someone else is paying him to coach at spartans
And this persons son plays in the age group.

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Someone else is paying him to coach at spartans
And this persons son plays in the age group.

thought this was common knowledge by now. same thing was happening two years ago at south west with same people.

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Brisbane teams are up

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Ian Burns
Josh Derksen
Jules Decourtenay
Nico Gryparis
Elliott Mundy
Simon Maloney
James Brackenbury
Hoani Walker-Tepania
James Griffin
Matthew Denman
Cade Towers

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You really have no idea do you what Districts is doing. Greg Vanderjagt is no second rate coach. Greg will run a great second team squad that will work with the first team staff and also GBL and on going the SEABL program. Do not judge us by your standards. We are trying to make a difference at all levels. In the women programs Rebecca Stephens is one of the best up and coming womens coaches around working with Tony Stephens the under 18 womens head coach. Time people remembered that it is not a right to play this great sport at a high level but a privilege. You earn the privilege through hard work sometimes over a lengthy period of time.

So who is in the second team since it matters so much?

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So who is in the second team since it matters so much?

I beleive that is why there is a whole thread dedicated to Southern Cup....

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so whos not going to make premier this year?

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After reading so much about transfers between different associations I thought that maybe a system based on points per transferred player maybe a workable solution e.g

Each Team within the PL is allocated 6 points for the transfer of players at the start of each season , the points would be allocated across all age groups (excludes U12) .

3.5 Points
State Rep (any state within Australia)

2.5 Points
Top aged Rep player transferring into new association i.e. Bottom aged u18 transferring to top aged u18

2 Points
Bottom aged Rep player transferring into new association i.e. previous U16 transferring into U18

This would limit the amount of transfers to 2 or possibly 3 per team per year and will stop the practice of blocks of players moving from one Club to the other.
System would be administered by BQ and would form part of the transfer system that BQ has ultimate control over anyways.
BQ would ensure that each team is under the 6 point limit before the commencement of the season.
Points may not be carried over but if not fully allocated but maybe utilised during the course of the season, this would cater for players transferring in from Interstate mid season.

I'm sure that there are flaws within this but as a starter this maybe worth discussion as this issue is always contentious and keeps coming back time and again.

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whos on northside this year?

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Brisbane team
GOLD TEAM
Nick Chia
Henry Cunningham
Nick Dickinson
Steven Fogarty
Oscar Lin
Christian Lam
Rafael Mathiuet
Jon Roth
Justin Schultz
Archie Smith
Jacob Wilson

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Sw metro
U18 Boys Gold

Robert Sullivan
Nick Fane
Kian Fonua
Keenan Stepanicic
Milan Ninkovic
Stephen Kiir
Jordan Plumridge
Bruce Lee
Sam Voss
Lliam Compton

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Sw metro
U18 Boys Gold

Bruce Lee


Awesome...best name ive seen so far

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Does anybody know when the state trials commence?

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Does anybody know when the state trials commence?

that would be last sunday

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So where was that advertised, who turned up and do you know when the next trial is?

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it wasnt a state trial just a development camp
only about 12 guys turned up.

it was on bq site spose nobody sore it

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State trials have NOT begun.

I was a 5 star camp....not state trials.

im sure they will be palstered all over BQ website once announced, so keep an eye on that

[easticles]

Grading Venues:

U18 Boys PL – Sleeman Sports Complex (Chandler)

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wheres u18 SC grading venue?

[easticles]

Grading for SC:
U18 Boys SC – Brisbane (Vince Hickey Basketball Stadium)

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Teams that have nominated.

brisbane x 2
spartens x 2
redlands x 2
wizards x 2
maroochydore
noosa
gold coast
runaway bay
logan
south west
ipswich

predictions?

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Teams that have nominated.

brisbane x 2
spartens x 2
redlands x 2
wizards x 2
maroochydore
noosa
gold coast
runaway bay
logan
south west
ipswich

predictions?

I can understand the strong teams having two teams entering but what is redlands thinking?? hahaha

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They nominated 2 in 16s last season which was a joke 2nd team using grading for pl as practice, same thing happening here hard to stop or cant stop teams like this from nominating but a waste of time for some opponents

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My humble predictions for PL 2010/2011:

The top four prospects this year; SD, BBI, NS & Ipswich look to be streets ahead of the rest of the competition.

Spartans - will be hard to stop with such a collection of 'stars', however the question remains as to whether they will be able to gel as a team, or if there will be enough ball to go around considering their distinct lack of role players.

BBI - Gold will definitely qualify with a collection of talented guards that have played together for a while - they may struggle for height (never thought I'd say that about a BBI team).

Northside - The Wizards have built on a strong largely bottom age PL team last year with a couple of players from other associations & some talented top age 16s from last season. Along with SD & Ippy they also look to contain a fair bit of height.

Ipswich - Always underestimated, Ipswich will again figure prominently. I have never been able to work out why people fail to mention Ipswich as genuine contenders. They have a good mix of 'stars' (including very good bigs) and tough role players.

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While there may be some competition from the following teams it is hard to pick who will make up the rest of PL in 10/11 - it may well come down to the grading draw to see who qualifies.

South West - Look to have lost some key players from last years team, still have potential, but may struggle. They should qualify.

Gold Coast - Should be strong enough, however seem to find it difficult at the start of the season. They have some great players & play well as a team, so they should qualify.

Redlands - Who knows, quite unpredictable. Lost a few top agers and at least one of their better bottom agers. They still have enough firepower to qualify if the draw goes their way.

Caboolture - Seems like they will struggle. Some good players have moved on over the last few years so it's hard to imagine they'll qualify.

Maroochydore - Not a chance. Possibly the weakest M'Doore team in a long time & their 'best' guard has left for a spot in a second team elsewhere.

Runaway Bay - Possibly not as weak as Maroochydore, but not good enough to qualify for PL.

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Both Northside & BBI will have very strong 2nd teams, so if the rest of the competition is not up to scratch at grading there is a massive chance that both 2nd teams will qualify.

Pretty sure this sums it up, I may well have forgotten teams but I'm pretty sure I have covered most of the usual suspects. Good luck to all the teams.

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You missed Logan

My humble predictions for PL 2010/2011:

The top four prospects this year; SD, BBI, NS & Ipswich look to be streets ahead of the rest of the competition.

Spartans - will be hard to stop with such a collection of 'stars', however the question remains as to whether they will be able to gel as a team, or if there will be enough ball to go around considering their distinct lack of role players.

BBI - Gold will definitely qualify with a collection of talented guards that have played together for a while - they may struggle for height (never thought I'd say that about a BBI team).

Northside - The Wizards have built on a strong largely bottom age PL team last year with a couple of players from other associations & some talented top age 16s from last season. Along with SD & Ippy they also look to contain a fair bit of height.

Ipswich - Always underestimated, Ipswich will again figure prominently. I have never been able to work out why people fail to mention Ipswich as genuine contenders. They have a good mix of 'stars' (including very good bigs) and tough role players.

___________________

While there may be some competition from the following teams it is hard to pick who will make up the rest of PL in 10/11 - it may well come down to the grading draw to see who qualifies.

South West - Look to have lost some key players from last years team, still have potential, but may struggle. They should qualify.

Gold Coast - Should be strong enough, however seem to find it difficult at the start of the season. They have some great players & play well as a team, so they should qualify.

Redlands - Who knows, quite unpredictable. Lost a few top agers and at least one of their better bottom agers. They still have enough firepower to qualify if the draw goes their way.

Caboolture - Seems like they will struggle. Some good players have moved on over the last few years so it's hard to imagine they'll qualify.

Maroochydore - Not a chance. Possibly the weakest M'Doore team in a long time & their 'best' guard has left for a spot in a second team elsewhere.

Runaway Bay - Possibly not as weak as Maroochydore, but not good enough to qualify for PL.

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Both Northside & BBI will have very strong 2nd teams, so if the rest of the competition is not up to scratch at grading there is a massive chance that both 2nd teams will qualify.

Pretty sure this sums it up, I may well have forgotten teams but I'm pretty sure I have covered most of the usual suspects. Good luck to all the teams.

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You missed Logan

I think you will find Logan chatter in the SC section.

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I think you will find Logan chatter in the SC section.

Who do Logan have in this age this season and how strong do you think they will be this season?

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Who do Logan have in this age this season and how strong do you think they will be this season?

read above

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My humble predictions for PL 2010/2011:

The top four prospects this year; SD, BBI, NS & Ipswich look to be streets ahead of the rest of the competition.

Spartans - will be hard to stop with such a collection of 'stars', however the question remains as to whether they will be able to gel as a team, or if there will be enough ball to go around considering their distinct lack of role players.

BBI - Gold will definitely qualify with a collection of talented guards that have played together for a while - they may struggle for height (never thought I'd say that about a BBI team).

Northside - The Wizards have built on a strong largely bottom age PL team last year with a couple of players from other associations & some talented top age 16s from last season. Along with SD & Ippy they also look to contain a fair bit of height.

Ipswich - Always underestimated, Ipswich will again figure prominently. I have never been able to work out why people fail to mention Ipswich as genuine contenders. They have a good mix of 'stars' (including very good bigs) and tough role players.

___________________

While there may be some competition from the following teams it is hard to pick who will make up the rest of PL in 10/11 - it may well come down to the grading draw to see who qualifies.

South West - Look to have lost some key players from last years team, still have potential, but may struggle. They should qualify.

Gold Coast - Should be strong enough, however seem to find it difficult at the start of the season. They have some great players & play well as a team, so they should qualify.

Redlands - Who knows, quite unpredictable. Lost a few top agers and at least one of their better bottom agers. They still have enough firepower to qualify if the draw goes their way.

Caboolture - Seems like they will struggle. Some good players have moved on over the last few years so it's hard to imagine they'll qualify.

Maroochydore - Not a chance. Possibly the weakest M'Doore team in a long time & their 'best' guard has left for a spot in a second team elsewhere.

Runaway Bay - Possibly not as weak as Maroochydore, but not good enough to qualify for PL.

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Both Northside & BBI will have very strong 2nd teams, so if the rest of the competition is not up to scratch at grading there is a massive chance that both 2nd teams will qualify.

Pretty sure this sums it up, I may well have forgotten teams but I'm pretty sure I have covered most of the usual suspects. Good luck to all the teams.

Ipswich????? that hillarious, they will be lucky to make top 8. They were lucky to make PL last season weren't they and that was with top age.

Logan have no chance in hell getting into PL, unless the comp is that bad...

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;29118]Nobody that they want in their team has left Maroochydore. Old saying..."self praise is no recommendation"

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it will be interesting to see if the new three point line changes the game at all

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it will be interesting to see if the new three point line changes the game at all

Have there been any other changes?

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Have there been any other changes?

yes there are

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Ipswich????? that hillarious, they will be lucky to make top 8. They were lucky to make PL last season weren't they and that was with top age.


Don't want to harp on too much about one kid, but Jason Ralph will make a huge difference. If I remember correctly this group finished 3rd in un16's classics two seasons ago, so they should do okay provided they haven't lost anyone of significance?

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Any truth to the rumor that a few Maroochydore renegades who were set to play for Sippy Downs are now back at Clips after uni's div 1 nomination was turned down?

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Any truth to the rumor that a few Maroochydore renegades who were set to play for Sippy Downs are now back at Clips after uni's div 1 nomination was turned down?

Not renegades, but those who have respect for their origins.To those who have gone elsewhere goodluck

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Don't want to harp on too much about one kid, but Jason Ralph will make a huge difference. If I remember correctly this group finished 3rd in un16's classics two seasons ago, so they should do okay provided they haven't lost anyone of significance?

they will be tough, to my knowledge the team is better than 2 yrs ago.

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Not renegades, but those who have respect for their origins.To those who have gone elsewhere goodluck

A simple yes or no would have been suffice.

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Apparently the pools are out???? Anybody care to post them?

[Gold Coast Al]

Apparently the pools are out???? Anybody care to post them?

Pool A Pool B Pool C
1 SD Spartans 6 Ipswich 11 Bris Capitals
2 Bris Silver 7 Northside (1) 12 Gold Coast
3 Seahawks 8 South West 13 Logan
4 Maroochydore 9 SD Titans 14 Noosa
5 Redlands W 10 Redlands R 15 Northside (2)
HR = Highest Ranked
** Top 2 in each pool after round games make PL (6 teams)
** Lowest 5 ranked teams (11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th) do not make PL
** Playoff to determine remaining 2 PL spots 7th v 10th, 8th v 9th
Note: If 7th & 10th or 8th & 9th are from the same pool 7th will play 9th & 8th will play 10th

[Gold Coast Al]

Didn't come out very well in that format...teams 1~5 in pool A, 6~10 in pool B and 11~15 in pool C.

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Didn't come out very well in that format...teams 1~5 in pool A, 6~10 in pool B and 11~15 in pool C.

Where are you getting this from??

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A simple yes or no would have been suffice.
Why?...Not interested in reality? Doesn't fit with your web-gossip?
Maroochydore retained the players they wanted. Best wishes to those who are playing elsewhere. Same as it's always been.

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Why?...Not interested in reality? Doesn't fit with your web-gossip?
Maroochydore retained the players they wanted. Best wishes to those who are playing elsewhere. Same as it's always been. Not at all, simply because you didn't actually 'clearly' clarify anything in your response. But regardless, good luck to you and your team.

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Didn't come out very well in that format...teams 1~5 in pool A, 6~10 in pool B and 11~15 in pool C.

If you have the other Age group pool formats please add to other threads.

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Where are you getting this from??

An email from BQ. Haven't checked BQ website, is it on there?

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An email from BQ. Haven't checked BQ website, is it on there? Yep - sure is - not long up by the looks

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Not at all, simply because you didn't actually 'clearly' clarify anything in your response. But regardless, good luck to you and your team.

Gee. Seemed pretty clarified actually? Dont need a uni degree to read that.

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The earlier comments in regards to the strenghts and weaknesses of these teams is proposerous. These expectations in no way take into account players who may have joined or left associations through the off season.

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"preposterous"...maybe they already know who left who and went where in the off season?

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Gee. Seemed pretty clarified actually? Dont need a uni degree to read that.

And where do you buy one of those, can I get one

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Male and female players interested in competing with the Brisbane Spartans in 2011 should email an expression of interest to sdbal@bigpond.net.au

In your email you will need to provide height, experience and when you would become available.

In 2011 we are looking to run a second tier team based on young players looking to make the progression to senior basketball. This will happen in both men and women.

"To make a move to get to where you want to be all you have to do is take the first step."


Allan

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Male and female players interested in competing with the Brisbane Spartans in 2011 should email an expression of interest to sdbal@bigpond.net.au

In your email you will need to provide height, experience and when you would become available.

In 2011 we are looking to run a second tier team based on young players looking to make the progression to senior basketball. This will happen in both men and women.

"To make a move to get to where you want to be all you have to do is take the first step."


Allan
Is this the same association that had the "grass is greener" we are loyal to our players,blah blah policy?

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The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

Take a look at the latest news from Spartans,is this only open to their own home grown players? If this policy that they inforced just a short time ago was the real thing then no use appling if you are currently at another association.

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If you want to play at level recognised as second only to NBL and WNBL in Australia do what is best for yourself. Sprtans haters are always going to be there. Nothing wrong with having a go. If you are good enough you will get a chance to get somewhere. Policy is there to rid the Spartans of people who jump each year. They will use own juniors in future but there will always be room for others who have the skills. Guys this is senior basketball being played at a high level. Have a go and find out if you have what it takes to play at what is Australias second level competition. State leagues are no longer the ABA. This is where players with dreams and talent need to play.

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mdore will suprise some people

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mdore will suprise some people

again, you really need to post this in Southern Cup thread.

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So whats the gossip rom grading

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It looks like a couple of suprises, SD, NS, GC, BBI, Seahawks, Ippy, SW & Redlands PCYC. Prem Boys. Logan & Mdore in SC,
Girls, Seahawks, SW, Logan SD,Mdore, Caps, Ippy & NS Prem Goldy in SC the big surprise there.

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again, you really need to post this in Southern Cup thread.

HAHA even funnier now that your right.

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Too bad for BBI & NW 2nd teams, that were beaten in playoff by Redlands & SW.

These 2 teams should dominate SC, and may try to get back into PL through wildcard.

BBI Gold looked shaky, beaten by GC and given a scare by NW 2nd team.

SD look strong.

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Too bad for BBI & NW 2nd teams, that were beaten in playoff by Redlands & SW.

These 2 teams should dominate SC, and may try to get back into PL through wildcard.

BBI Gold looked shaky, beaten by GC and given a scare by NW 2nd team.

SD look strong.



No wild card challenge last year - why would there be this year?

BBI shaky if everyone has to play out of position.

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Too bad for BBI & NW 2nd teams, that were beaten in playoff by Redlands & SW.


SD look strong.


one key player down, how will SD do???

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No wild card challenge last year - why would there be this year?


After round 14 (March 14 2011) Wildcard Challenge to get into Classics.

Or am I wrong?

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After round 14 (March 14 2011) Wildcard Challenge to get into Classics.

Or am I wrong?

Thats correct after playing all games in S/C you can challenge to move in P/L.

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HAHA even funnier now that your right.

You poor thing...

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Didn't see the game this weekend. Gold Coast have to be a bit off a surprise over BBI?

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Didn't see the game this weekend. Gold Coast have to be a bit off a surprise over BBI?

yes goldy did get over BBI, but BBi had there biggest guy out & archie. this doesnt help when ur versing a team that is alot taller.

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Looks like Northside had the toughest pool,with four out of the five teams going through.

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Thats correct after playing all games in S/C you can challenge to move in P/L.

The wildcard challenge is for teams that want to compete for a div 1 position at State Championships (Classics).

The swap-over challenge was the opportunity for S/C teams to challenge the bottom teams in P/L for the second half of the BQJBC season. It was not used in 2009-10 season due to the increased number and timing of games in the grading weekend. Quite a few associations have suggested to BQ that the swap-over challenge needs to be reinstated this season. It is being considered and will be put to BQJBC association delegates for a vote.

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Looks like Northside had the toughest pool,with four out of the five teams going through.

Redlands VERY lucky to get thru because of BQ rule! Think they would have struggled against NS2 in playoffs.

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Redlands VERY lucky to get thru because of BQ rule! Think they would have struggled against NS2 in playoffs.

It was a very close call with all the For/Against percentages.

Redland(10th in ladder) got to play BBI Silver (8th) instead of SW(7th) because they were in same pool. Else NW 2 would have played BBI Silver. So one of the 2nd teams would have gone through. I think that how i read the rules

Redland had a chance to win their last pool match against Ippy, but missed both free-throw. I don't know if that would have got them into the top 2 in the pool though.

I would be interesting to see the swap-over challenge re-introduced. Give top teams in SC and bottom team in PL something to play for.

Well done to all teams that made PL.

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Redlands VERY lucky to get thru because of BQ rule! Think they would have struggled against NS2 in playoffs.

you could also say they were very unlucky losing that game to ipswich hwne they had them 7 points down with just over a minute to go
in the end the teams that got through were probably the ones that deserved too

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you could also say they were very unlucky losing that game to ipswich hwne they had them 7 points down with just over a minute to go
in the end the teams that got through were probably the ones that deserved too

Totally agree, the teams that got through show they deserve to be in PL. redlands where in the toughest pool and had a great game against Ipswich,Ipswich just stayed calm and got the job done,and redlands and their coach got the job done in the next game.Heres looking to a great season ahead.

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Can someone explain to me how BQ can have under 18 mens try outs on the same nights when traditionaly they play at local Associations. Please do not tell me they can not get courts. Girls do not seem to have a problem. Someone at BQ please start caring about all the players who just want a game of standard and do not want to be part of revenue raising try outs that remove better players.

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Can someone explain to me how BQ can have under 18 mens try outs on the same nights when traditionaly they play at local Associations. Please do not tell me they can not get courts. Girls do not seem to have a problem. Someone at BQ please start caring about all the players who just want a game of standard and do not want to be part of revenue raising try outs that remove better players.

After the U 15 Blue Chip fiasco, where BQ had their camp on the same weekend that every club in the SE has their Club GF's you got to ask the question.

Make no mistake the buck stops with Murry Aldridge, he signs off on all these things. He agreed to the U14 dates and the U 18 mens trial dates a long time ago. Maybe someone should ask him? Oh thats right he is in America, AGAIN, but this time he is there for 3 months. He has spent almost as much time in the US as he has in Qld this year. My understanding is that he is still working for BQ? Surely this can not be the case/ how can your ITC Head coach be over seas during the most important time for the program??

You can understand the man wanting to be with his new wife, but not at the exspense of our elite program! One can bet he is working hard over there to gain employment to stay in the US; while also getting paid to do his job here, thats just crazy. Surely the elite players and clubs here deserve better than what is currently being dished up?

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After the U 15 Blue Chip fiasco, where BQ had their camp on the same weekend that every club in the SE has their Club GF's you got to ask the question.

Make no mistake the buck stops with Murry Aldridge, he signs off on all these things. He agreed to the U14 dates and the U 18 mens trial dates a long time ago. Maybe someone should ask him? Oh thats right he is in America, AGAIN, but this time he is there for 3 months. He has spent almost as much time in the US as he has in Qld this year. My understanding is that he is still working for BQ? Surely this can not be the case/ how can your ITC Head coach be over seas during the most important time for the program??

You can understand the man wanting to be with his new wife, but not at the exspense of our elite program! One can bet he is working hard over there to gain employment to stay in the US; while also getting paid to do his job here, thats just crazy. Surely the elite players and clubs here deserve better than what is currently being dished up?

I wish there was a like button on BD

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the posts above are just the tip of the ice berg. Seems Murry has also arranged programs in oppposition to established schools programs. I also hear that if you are trained by a certain person who Murry has running ITC while he is away you get to use the QAS courts. this has to be in total conflict for those athletes who have been selected for QAS at various paying levels. Not sure it is legal as well given courts belong to government and this person is a private provider.

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the posts above are just the tip of the ice berg. Seems Murry has also arranged programs in oppposition to established schools programs. I also hear that if you are trained by a certain person who Murry has running ITC while he is away you get to use the QAS courts. this has to be in total conflict for those athletes who have been selected for QAS at various paying levels. Not sure it is legal as well given courts belong to government and this person is a private provider.

This is a very sad post. You must get all your information correct before posting. If not, ask yourself is it legal to post the above. By the way I have nothing to do with QAS or BQ just disappointed in your comments.

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After the U 15 Blue Chip fiasco, where BQ had their camp on the same weekend that every club in the SE has their Club GF's you got to ask the question.

Make no mistake the buck stops with Murry Aldridge, he signs off on all these things. He agreed to the U14 dates and the U 18 mens trial dates a long time ago. Maybe someone should ask him? Oh thats right he is in America, AGAIN, but this time he is there for 3 months. He has spent almost as much time in the US as he has in Qld this year. My understanding is that he is still working for BQ? Surely this can not be the case/ how can your ITC Head coach be over seas during the most important time for the program??

You can understand the man wanting to be with his new wife, but not at the exspense of our elite program! One can bet he is working hard over there to gain employment to stay in the US; while also getting paid to do his job here, thats just crazy. Surely the elite players and clubs here deserve better than what is currently being dished up?
WOW! Someone who knows the sitch and isn't scared to speak out for fear of having their kid discriminated against. ('cept his surname is Aldred) Yeh mate, you've nailed the comment which is on everyone's lips right now. Just ludicrous. BQ at it's finest.

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This is a very sad post. You must get all your information correct before posting. If not, ask yourself is it legal to post the above. By the way I have nothing to do with QAS or BQ just disappointed in your comments.
Would you care to expound on which information is incorrect so we can all stop wondering about this situation. I realise it's far fetched to say Murray would get employed at any real level over there, but apart from that what else is incorrect?

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Watched the 18 boys state trails on sunday and was impressed by the number and quality of players. Hard to imagine how big the trails would be in Victoria ( or LA ). With this much interest why is there no tier 2 state program arround, given that we have a U20 state team to move up to?

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Tyler Allen
Ian Burns
Nick Chia
Liam Compton
Henry Cunningham
Jules De Courtney
Josh Derkson
Dylan Desmarchelier
Nick Dickinson
Nicholas Fane
Steve Fogarty
Zac Frankland
Jarrod Gamble
Mckenzie Glover
James Griffin
Matt Gullota
Anthony Kleine
Christian Lam
Oscar Lin
Andrew Lomakin
Jack McKenzie
Brodie Munson
Luke Pittle
James Prassar
Max Quinland-Ward
Jason Ralph
Jamaal Robateau
Ryan Salisbury
Justin Schultz
Archie Smith
Ben Stower
Cameron Theffall
Cade Towers
Hoani Walker-Tepania
Tim Weigh
Jacob Wilson

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Tyler Allen
Ian Burns
Nick Chia
Liam Compton
Henry Cunningham
Jules De Courtney
Josh Derkson
Dylan Desmarchelier
Nick Dickinson
Nicholas Fane
Steve Fogarty
Zac Frankland
Jarrod Gamble
Mckenzie Glover
James Griffin
Matt Gullota
Anthony Kleine
Christian Lam
Oscar Lin
Andrew Lomakin
Jack McKenzie
Brodie Munson
Luke Pittle
James Prassar
Max Quinland-Ward
Jason Ralph
Jamaal Robateau
Ryan Salisbury
Justin Schultz
Archie Smith
Ben Stower
Cameron Theffall
Cade Towers
Hoani Walker-Tepania
Tim Weigh
Jacob Wilson

wow!

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wow!

What wow???

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What wow???
Um...36 kids at $50 a head per "try-out"?
to pick a team of 10 from their ability to do drills? a game hasnt even been played yet let alone any tournament basketball to see if kids can actually play the game.
Good dough for someone.

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Um...36 kids at $50 a head per "try-out"?
to pick a team of 10 from their ability to do drills? a game hasnt even been played yet let alone any tournament basketball to see if kids can actually play the game.
Good dough for someone.

FROM BQ WEBSITE
Cost: $45.00 (cost includes $35.00 squad selection fee; $10.00 court hire) to be paid direct to the Team Manager prior to the first session

What is a squad selection fee?

How is my squad selection fee used ?

When is BQ going to stop gouging the players it should be supporting the most ?

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A few in there with zero chance. If they make the final 20, a sign the age group is awful at the national level.

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A few in there with zero chance. If they make the final 20, a sign the age group is awful at the national level.

Same group came 13th at nationals

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Same group came 13th at nationals

Rob scheibner was the coach......lol

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Be very surprised if same Team gets picked this time.

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Well, opening weekend is upon us & apart from the usual whining about state selections it seems pretty quiet around here, so I thought I might try and spark some debate with a premature call on how the season may start/finish...
1) Spartans - Regardless of everyones bitching, Spartans must start favourites. With an all-star starting 5 representing the best Logan, South West, Toowoomba & New Zealand have to offer. However it is probably their largely home-grown Spartans bench that may prove their weakness (that and their perceived lack of team unity).
2) Wizards - After finishing top of what may have been the toughest pool at grading, Northside showed that they will be a force this year. A squad dripping with talent that didn't seem to lose anything, even when their bench saw more playing time than the starters in most of the grading games.
3) BBI - Despite a shock loss to Gold Coast BBI still should find themselves somewhere up the top when it matters. While they may boast 99% of the guards in the state squad they lack the inside presence of years gone by & will struggle against bigger teams.
4) Gold Coast - While not boasting the import roster of Spartans, the height or depth of the Wizards, or the speed of BBI's boys, Gold Coast showed that they could be up there with solid team play, smart coaching & 100% effort from the whole team (and an almost unstoppable Mr Gamble).
It's hard to pick the rest; Ipswich were underwhelming, Runaway Bay may surprise, South West & Redlands will struggle & may have to watch their backs if crossovers are reintroduced (as I am pretty sure a pissed off Logan will be pretty keen to show people they belong in PL!)

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you have a go about spartans recruiting lets look at wizards:

dylan d - spartans/redlands
cody - spartans/logan
jamaal - maroochydore
james - caboolture
jack - tasmania
luke - northside
v?? - northside
tall skinny kid - brisbane/caboolture

brisbane and ipswich also have their fair share of kids transferring

spartans home grown - simon, jules,james g, cade,elliott

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When is the draw out?

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you have a go about spartans recruiting lets look at wizards:

dylan d - spartans/redlands
cody - spartans/logan
jamaal - maroochydore
james - caboolture
jack - tasmania
luke - northside
v?? - northside
tall skinny kid - brisbane/caboolture

brisbane and ipswich also have their fair share of kids transferring

spartans home grown - simon, jules,james g, cade,elliott

Cade is from interstae

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Cade is from interstae

Cade has played all his rep ball at Spartans since he first picked up a ball right before classics in under 14s. Many people at Spartans & others have put a lot of time into Cade & his attitude to improving is first class. Couldn't speak higher of the kid & will be one of the top 5 players in PL this year.

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you have a go about spartans recruiting lets look at wizards:

dylan d - spartans/redlands
cody - spartans/logan
jamaal - maroochydore
james - caboolture
jack - tasmania
luke - northside
v?? - northside
tall skinny kid - brisbane/caboolture

brisbane and ipswich also have their fair share of kids transferring

spartans home grown - simon, jules,james g, cade,elliott

Just put it out there..... Redlands all home grown!!!!!!

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Cade has played all his rep ball at Spartans since he first picked up a ball right before classics in under 14s. Many people at Spartans & others have put a lot of time into Cade & his attitude to improving is first class. Couldn't speak higher of the kid & will be one of the top 5 players in PL this year.

Never knocked him, personally I think he is great as well. Just stating the obvious.

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spartans- can a basketball team have too many bigs and too many coaches
bbi- can a team have too many guards and too little coaching
wizards- all the boys who changed associations seem to have made the right move and AC
ippy- only 3 top age players, how did they make PL
gc- will prove beating bbi no accident
sorry but someone else will ahve to fill in the blanks for the other teams

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spartans- can a basketball team have too many bigs and too many coaches

surely can! watched the biggest ever NBL team (2010-11 Melbourne Tigers) get owned by Adelaide and Perth recently. Funny to hear Al yelling Fark! like a crow with an American accent but they got some work to do. Hopefully a lot of youngsters have been watching and learned how to beat a very big team.

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spartans- can a basketball team have too many bigs and too many coaches
bbi- can a team have too many guards and too little coaching
wizards- all the boys who changed associations seem to have made the right move and AC
ippy- only 3 top age players, how did they make PL
gc- will prove beating bbi no accident
sorry but someone else will ahve to fill in the blanks for the other teams

Nice one, not a game played and already; Districts too big, BBI too small and no coaches, Ippy too young, but lets promote changing assoc to win

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Nice one, not a game played and already; Districts too big, BBI too small and no coaches, Ippy too young, but lets promote changing assoc to win
Nice one, I didn't write the post you quoted but not a game played already? There was a comp on two weekends called grading. They probaly got their opinion off that.
And I don't think anyone has promoted changing associations to win, while I am sure there are some players who change to win (rep bball is a competitive sport after all) but some players may change because of a variety of reasons (moving house, changing schools or simply more opportunity).
And the original poster missed Stower from Caboolture @ Spartans as well as Skinny from Maroochydore @ Northside (but u can't blame anyone for wanting to leave either of those teams - unless they have a passion for Challenge Cup ;-)

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Nice one, I didn't write the post you quoted but not a game played already? There was a comp on two weekends called grading. They probaly got their opinion off that.
And I don't think anyone has promoted changing associations to win, while I am sure there are some players who change to win (rep bball is a competitive sport after all) but some players may change because of a variety of reasons (moving house, changing schools or simply more opportunity).
And the original poster missed Stower from Caboolture @ Spartans as well as Skinny from Maroochydore @ Northside (but u can't blame anyone for wanting to leave either of those teams - unless they have a passion for Challenge Cup ;-)
1. 'Grading tournament" is not a comp. It's a running clock turkey scratch with juvenile referees 3 weeks before the comp even starts.
2. Nobody that mattered left Maroochydore.
3. Remains to be seen if the "winning" part coincides with the moving part.

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1. 'Grading tournament" is not a comp. It's a running clock turkey scratch with juvenile referees 3 weeks before the comp even starts.
2. Nobody that mattered left Maroochydore.
3. Remains to be seen if the "winning" part coincides with the moving part.

1) Its nice to know you can be so supportive and proud of your son's team (or didn't they qualify for premier league? Judging by the tone of the rest of your post they probably didn't qualify for southern cup either...)
2) I suppose it depends on your definition of "matters". Maroochydore would probably be a top four team if they had managed to retain all the ex-players lost to the Wizards... Gotta wonder why sooo many players felt the need to move on, surely it's not just a coincidence?
3) Again, if you are moaning about the boys who moved to Wizards (even those boys in the 2nd team) it is more than likely that they have already won more than they would have at Maroochydore (even if it was just a turkey scratch, because we all know that winning in challenge cup is more like some other kind of turkey action).

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top 5 player in premier league this season?

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1) Its nice to know you can be so supportive and proud of your son's team (or didn't they qualify for premier league? Judging by the tone of the rest of your post they probably didn't qualify for southern cup either...)
2) I suppose it depends on your definition of "matters". Maroochydore would probably be a top four team if they had managed to retain all the ex-players lost to the Wizards... Gotta wonder why sooo many players felt the need to move on, surely it's not just a coincidence?
3) Again, if you are moaning about the boys who moved to Wizards (even those boys in the 2nd team) it is more than likely that they have already won more than they would have at Maroochydore (even if it was just a turkey scratch, because we all know that winning in challenge cup is more like some other kind of turkey action).
Nobodies moaning about anything which is exactly the 'tone' of the post. Every association has a lean year in their age groups, especially small associations. Some kids relish the challenge and opportunity to play heaps and improve themselves, some kids panic and run to the safety of a strong group where their weaknesses wont be exposed as much. Matter of character, matter of choice, matter of how you look at it. Main thing is there wasnt a moments hesitation in issuing clearances and certainly nobodies moaning. Vern's kid is the only player who could have made a difference to Maroochydore this year and he isnt good enough to have made them a top 4 team in this particular year. Think you'll find Vern moving his boy there is part of a bigger scheme he's working on for himself. (His other kids play at Maroochydore and dont hear any complaints?) If anybody else went to wizards they must have been so good that nobody noticed. Least Mdore 18 boys have more than a few state championships in previous years to reflect on. What about yourself?

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1. 'Grading tournament" is not a comp. It's a running clock turkey scratch with juvenile referees 3 weeks before the comp even starts.
2. Nobody that mattered left Maroochydore.
3. Remains to be seen if the "winning" part coincides with the moving part.

Are you joking? Saying nobody that mattered left Maroochydore. The top kids have left there. There is 8 kids who would be the top players of their age groups have left. Seven boys one girl. All at Northside it is a shame that they have to drive and hour away just to play basketball. That's the problem with maroochydore, they don't value people.

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didn't most of the Wizards play a long, hard season last year as bottom agers in PL. I think 4 came over this year.( Tall skinny kid) Max T and Dylan D trialed at two associations and no disrespect to Redlands made the right/informed choice for them. Jamal and James would both be wasted in SC or Challenge cup, so again right choice. Have only had limited contact with Wizards but they seem like one of the best run.

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Are you joking? Saying nobody that mattered left Maroochydore. The top kids have left there. There is 8 kids who would be the top players of their age groups have left. Seven boys one girl. All at Northside it is a shame that they have to drive and hour away just to play basketball. That's the problem with maroochydore, they don't value people.

These kids have left Maroochydore because they are getting isolated in teams. Due to the small size of the association there is not the quality around them to always compete in PL.

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Are you joking? Saying nobody that mattered left Maroochydore. The top kids have left there. There is 8 kids who would be the top players of their age groups have left. Seven boys one girl. All at Northside it is a shame that they have to drive and hour away just to play basketball. That's the problem with maroochydore, they don't value people.

What a load of garbage. In our four years at Maroochydore we have seen junior teams win 5 classics. How many have the Wizards won?

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What a load of garbage. In our four years at Maroochydore we have seen junior teams win 5 classics. How many have the Wizards won?

Yea it's been the same group winning and they are done now. That group has won since u12, and alot of that was they were lucky to have had quality coaching. Can't see Maroochydore when to many more in the future. Maybe 1 on the girls side, but can't see anything coming from the younger groups coming through. Possibly the bottom agers playing u14 .

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didn't most of the Wizards play a long, hard season last year as bottom agers in PL. I think 4 came over this year.( Tall skinny kid) Max T and Dylan D trialed at two associations and no disrespect to Redlands made the right/informed choice for them. Jamal and James would both be wasted in SC or Challenge cup, so again right choice. Have only had limited contact with Wizards but they seem like one of the best run.

If those kids mentioned above plus the others that left Maroochydore at that age group, they wouldn't be playing SC or challenge. They would be a top four team in PL.

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Nobodies moaning about anything which is exactly the 'tone' of the post. Every association has a lean year in their age groups, especially small associations. Some kids relish the challenge and opportunity to play heaps and improve themselves, some kids panic and run to the safety of a strong group where their weaknesses wont be exposed as much. Matter of character, matter of choice, matter of how you look at it. Main thing is there wasnt a moments hesitation in issuing clearances and certainly nobodies moaning. Vern's kid is the only player who could have made a difference to Maroochydore this year and he isnt good enough to have made them a top 4 team in this particular year. Think you'll find Vern moving his boy there is part of a bigger scheme he's working on for himself. (His other kids play at Maroochydore and dont hear any complaints?) If anybody else went to wizards they must have been so good that nobody noticed. Least Mdore 18 boys have more than a few state championships in previous years to reflect on. What about yourself?

Please get you information correct before making incorrect statements. Both of Verns boys play at Northside, they actually both played full seasons at northside last year, the only one of his kids playing at m'dore is his daughter in under 12's. As far as your "bigger scheme" that Vern apparently has for northside it would be interesting to hear you elaborate on that, seeing as how he doesn't coach any rep teams, didn't coach any last year and basically only taking his 2 boys down there to play. There always seems to be a lot of talk about what Vern is doing even though he hasn't got anything to do with Rep basketball, but dont make statements about people unless you can back them up

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Are you joking? Saying nobody that mattered left Maroochydore. The top kids have left there. There is 8 kids who would be the top players of their age groups have left. Seven boys one girl. All at Northside it is a shame that they have to drive and hour away just to play basketball. That's the problem with maroochydore, they don't value people.
Hahahaha...Sorry to disillusion you buddy but niether you or your seven mates were on anybodies radar as being anything special. Like I said, apart from Millie and Jamahl, anybody else who left wasnt noticed. Even had one of the now northside guys tell us BBI and everyone were after him before he got owned at our trials (against the div 3 guys he's disparraging) and had to sit down with a sore something or other. Same thing happened at the next trial!!haha. Mentioned his name to the BBI coach one night and he had never heard of him?!?! Takes all types.
M'dore been around long before you arrived on the scene superstar and will be long after your very short junior career is done. Yep, they certainly dont value fly by nighters. Mdore reckon their top kids are all still playing there.
"8 top kids of their age group" what a wank!

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These kids have left Maroochydore because they are getting isolated in teams. Due to the small size of the association there is not the quality around them to always compete in PL.
Then again some might look at it like those kids dont have enough quality to lead a team and make it better so scamper to the safety of a stronger group and talk smak to cover their tracks? Matter of perception I suppose.

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Then again some might look at it like those kids dont have enough quality to lead a team and make it better so scamper to the safety of a stronger group and talk smak to cover their tracks? Matter of perception I suppose.

The decision for these kids to leave was up to their parents, whom probably just got tired of stuff going on at Maroochydore and for the u18 lack of a quality coach after Warrick left. Most of those kids had really bad experience playing the year before as bottom agers with the coach. Who would want to go through that on your last year of playing at that level. As stated in a thread earlier the ones that left Maroochydore didn't really matter to the club. So there you go.

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Yea it's been the same group winning and they are done now. That group has won since u12, and alot of that was they were lucky to have had quality coaching. Can't see Maroochydore when to many more in the future. Maybe 1 on the girls side, but can't see anything coming from the younger groups coming through. Possibly the bottom agers playing u14 .
Been quite a few M'dore teams won Classics in all age groups through the years, not just the last one that won their 3 top age years. Boys and girls teams. I'll be really pleased for Northside (or anyone else) who gets to cut the nets down with both U/18 boys and girls at the classics final at the same time same venue in the same year. Until you have experienced that or until Northside have that achievement (and it will probably come) maybe best you quit embarrassing the good folks at Northside with your disrespectful prattle.

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What a load of garbage. In our four years at Maroochydore we have seen junior teams win 5 classics. How many have the Wizards won?

wizard are yet to win one i think at least they are making pl know that is like title to them

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Hahahaha...Sorry to disillusion you buddy but niether you or your seven mates were on anybodies radar as being anything special. Like I said, apart from Millie and Jamahl, anybody else who left wasnt noticed. Even had one of the now northside guys tell us BBI and everyone were after him before he got owned at our trials (against the div 3 guys he's disparraging) and had to sit down with a sore something or other. Same thing happened at the next trial!!haha. Mentioned his name to the BBI coach one night and he had never heard of him?!?! Takes all types.
M'dore been around long before you arrived on the scene superstar and will be long after your very short junior career is done. Yep, they certainly dont value fly by nighters. Mdore reckon their top kids are all still playing there.
"8 top kids of their age group" what a wank!

Yea that's why they are playing in the lowest comp and will just be an ok team in that. Jamahl,James,Darnell, Ryan, Mac, Zac, Andre, and there is a girl in u14 which was clearly the best at this age at maroochydore. If the u18 boys stayed at Maroochydore would have been very competitive. Zac made u16 qld squad. Darnell/Andre went to nationals with NS u14 team finishing 12th. Maroochydore can't face the fact that they are losing their quality players. And I am not any of those kids. I just know whats going on. Wank what is that? See look at you maroochydore people calling kids wanks. Your a joke, who ever you are. As far as the NS guy getting used at your trails, funny cause there is no way a kid would leave a quality team at NS to go to maroochydore unless he was desperate. Maroochydore lost to NS third team.

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The decision for these kids to leave was up to their parents, whom probably just got tired of stuff going on at Maroochydore and for the u18 lack of a quality coach after Warrick left. Most of those kids had really bad experience playing the year before as bottom agers with the coach. Who would want to go through that on your last year of playing at that level. As stated in a thread earlier the ones that left Maroochydore didn't really matter to the club. So there you go.
No there they go. hahaha. If a kid is good enough they can play and shine under any coach. If they are not good enough its a convenient scapegoat for parents to blame the coach. Lot easier than accepting the reality that their kid isnt a superstar and easier to go join a team thats already done the hard work before they got there. After all, who wouldnt want to get a trip to america at seasons end? If that's what they want good luck to them. Nobodies complaining. Wonder where they'll get to play their basketball after the trip to america and u/18 is done? They certainly aint going to make Northside QBL or go to college (except maybe Jamahl). Maybe the long drive to the Northside local comp? Funny how things work out.

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No there they go. hahaha. If a kid is good enough they can play and shine under any coach. If they are not good enough its a convenient scapegoat for parents to blame the coach. Lot easier than accepting the reality that their kid isnt a superstar and easier to go join a team thats already done the hard work before they got there. After all, who wouldnt want to get a trip to america at seasons end? If that's what they want good luck to them. Nobodies complaining. Wonder where they'll get to play their basketball after the trip to america and u/18 is done? They certainly aint going to make Northside QBL or go to college (except maybe Jamahl). Maybe the long drive to the Northside local comp? Funny how things work out.

What trip to America? A quality coach does matter maybe not in a kid shining but for success of a team. QBL is not a career, I would be telling my kids to look for career options and academics QBL just a hobby cause you still will have to work.

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What trip to America? A quality coach does matter maybe not in a kid shining but for success of a team. QBL is not a career, I would be telling my kids to look for career options and academics QBL just a hobby cause you still will have to work.
Totally agree and believe Mick Redman Mick Goff and Shakespeare have the basketball pedigree and experience to bring quality to any group. Not sure where they are deficient. More likely it was always going to be a tough year and some kids (and parents) wanted to be on the side that's winning. Hope they realise their dreams.
Heard the Northside U/18 coach and vern were taking the team to america at season's end. Least thats what one of the kids told me. More hyperbole maybe?

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Totally agree and believe Mick Redman Mick Goff and Shakespeare have the basketball pedigree and experience to bring quality to any group. Not sure where they are deficient. More likely it was always going to be a tough year and some kids (and parents) wanted to be on the side that's winning. Hope they realise their dreams.
Heard the Northside U/18 coach and vern were taking the team to america at season's end. Least thats what one of the kids told me. More hyperbole maybe?

northside did a trip to us this year and will probably do one at the end of this season but Vern is not involved with any of it.Kid has his story wrong. This must be your bigger scheme your on about

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You are all talking about good players leaving M/Dore at U/18s and giving the boot to Maroochydore. Where have these boys been playing and developing for the last 6 years. Maroochydore has one court and less total juniors registered over all age groups that most clubs have in one. Per head of registered population they are probably more successful than just about anyone. Some how they have managed to find and develop enough players to have, I think its been quoted as - 8 leave to Northside or other clubs. How many other clubs could have 8 leave a team that, if you believe what is being written, are all good enough to play premier league. Some one must have helped them get that good. Instead of talking of what is bad about Maroochydore and there may be some thing there, but for years they have been doing something right. It is probably a good Idea not to bring up players names when targeting them to highlight a perceived problem because most wouldn't even know the reasons why they leave. I would say that most that are playing at other associations are still pretty good friends with all those still there. I don't think I have ever seen any animosity towards anyone. Everyone has there reasons and all the best to them. Some come back and some don't. But have a look around at the coaches and helpers around the club and you will find people that have been involved as players, coaches etc for years.

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The decision for these kids to leave was up to their parents, whom probably just got tired of stuff going on at Maroochydore and for the u18 lack of a quality coach after Warrick left. Most of those kids had really bad experience playing the year before as bottom agers with the coach. Who would want to go through that on your last year of playing at that level. As stated in a thread earlier the ones that left Maroochydore didn't really matter to the club. So there you go.

Hey as an observer of all this petty squabbling, the good news is that these boys have not been lost to Basketball, and that there are other teams for these kids, for whatever reason, to go to. Northside seem a pretty well ran outfit, and these new players need to fit in with their organiisation. Good luck to Maroochydore with the players you have in your teams - both new and old, and yes Maroochydore does get new players every year just like every team, and good luck to Northside, may the best team win (ooops they don't play each other do they lol)

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You are all talking about good players leaving M/Dore at U/18s and giving the boot to Maroochydore. Where have these boys been playing and developing for the last 6 years. Maroochydore has one court and less total juniors registered over all age groups that most clubs have in one. Per head of registered population they are probably more successful than just about anyone. Some how they have managed to find and develop enough players to have, I think its been quoted as - 8 leave to Northside or other clubs. How many other clubs could have 8 leave a team that, if you believe what is being written, are all good enough to play premier league. Some one must have helped them get that good. Instead of talking of what is bad about Maroochydore and there may be some thing there, but for years they have been doing something right. It is probably a good Idea not to bring up players names when targeting them to highlight a perceived problem because most wouldn't even know the reasons why they leave. I would say that most that are playing at other associations are still pretty good friends with all those still there. I don't think I have ever seen any animosity towards anyone. Everyone has there reasons and all the best to them. Some come back and some don't. But have a look around at the coaches and helpers around the club and you will find people that have been involved as players, coaches etc for years.

Well said

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Hey as an observer of all this petty squabbling, the good news is that these boys have not been lost to Basketball, and that there are other teams for these kids, for whatever reason, to go to. Northside seem a pretty well ran outfit, and these new players need to fit in with their organiisation. Good luck to Maroochydore with the players you have in your teams - both new and old, and yes Maroochydore does get new players every year just like every team, and good luck to Northside, may the best team win (ooops they don't play each other do they lol)
Yep it will be history in the making as Northside have never beaten a Maroochydore team in any game in any year in under 18 boys PL. That they have to take, what is it 7 Maroochydore kids ?, to finally be competitive is actually a reason to laugh out loud.

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Dear Northside Dude

Please stop, you just look stupid and this is hardly why these forums exist.

M'Dore as an association has an excellent record (especially the past 4 years) of having state winning u18 teams. They have had great coaching in guys like Warwick and produced some excellent, excellent players

Yes this is a strong age group for northside, so i can understand your excitement but there is no need to bag other associations who aren't as strong. You cant really give a team shit for re-building when there history/record is stronger than yours

How about we all talk about upcoming games, strengths & weaknesses, predictions, who played well rather than the last 25 post of crap.

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Dear Northside Dude

Please stop, you just look stupid and this is hardly why these forums exist.

M'Dore as an association has an excellent record (especially the past 4 years) of having state winning u18 teams. They have had great coaching in guys like Warwick and produced some excellent, excellent players

Yes this is a strong age group for northside, so i can understand your excitement but there is no need to bag other associations who aren't as strong. You cant really give a team shit for re-building when there history/record is stronger than yours

How about we all talk about upcoming games, strengths & weaknesses, predictions, who played well rather than the last 25 post of crap.

Best Regards
BBi Dude
Dear BBI Dude
Thanks.
Want to come up and run a session or two? Boys might benefit from the "two voices" technique at practice sometime. Know Mick and Goffy would enjoy working with someone else who knows the game. Come on the Sunday they go for the surf lesson at North Shore. The girls team are going with them if you want to bring yours.
(Lost your number with my old phone-mines the same)
"Penthouse to the %#@*house" in one season. Happens. These guys are just raw and came together too late for grading. By June next year they'll have a whole different look.
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I see no super close games here
Ippy down to BBI less than 20
Spartans without cade and josh still 20 on Seahawks
Wiz easy 20 on Redlands

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I see no super close games here
Ippy down to BBI less than 20
Spartans without cade and josh still 20 on Seahawks
Wiz easy 20 on Redlands

While I agree with your picks, I wouldn't be surprised if they are all a bit closer than you have predicted.
Declan & Max should pose some real problems inside for BBI & Ipswich are also capable of keeping up with the court speed of BBI. The main problem for Ipswich will be their lack of bench down the stretch & BBI should pull away late in the game. BBI by 15 (or Ipswich by 5 if Ralph catches fire).
Part of Spartans projected dominance is the 'Twin-Towers' of Cade & Josh, so implying that they will win so easily over the Seahawks without them is a bit of a stretch. They are four very big shoes to fill & I think Seahawks will try & take this as a unique opportunity to beat the supposed favourites. Seahawks by 5 (probably not, but we can only hope).
While the results at grading & popular opinion seem to lead most people to believe that the Wizards will dominate Redlands, let's not discount the 'home-court advantage' Redlands often enjoy & the fact that they will be very keen to show people they belong in premier league. (They will also be pretty keen to hand Dylan a loss in his first game for an opposing team!) Wizards by 25 (unless they all get fouled out).

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my guess is the spartans will be missing a couple of size 16 feet this weekend but they are much deeper than they look on paper. 20 points

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my guess is the spartans will be missing a couple of size 16 feet this weekend but they are much deeper than they look on paper. 20 points

Yeah right. Spartans are about as deep as a kiddy pool. Who exactly are they going to start in their place? Jules? Simon? Will they push Hewani inside & use Stower or James B? I don't think any of these options support your claim of depth, maybe they could put Elliot in, oh that's right Elliot quit Spartans due to their excellent prioritisation of home-grown players!
As another poster mentioned, Spartans may have an amazing starting 5, but they lack a bench that is good enough to sustain a whole season if injuries or other commitments effect their rotation.

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Have watched the Spartans train and play and these guys will get it done by 20. sorry to hear about Elliot. rep ball can be a long road on a short bench

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Congrats to the wizards and great game redlands

One of the toughest games i have seen

well played by all

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Scores?

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was James c. Jules, and james b injured or sick ? although they all took the court, i would guess they only played 10 min between them. good effort by SD. however RB had a shocker

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Congrats to the wizards and great game redlands

One of the toughest games i have seen

well played by all

Couldn't agree more. Redlands surprised everyone but themselves & lead for the whole game until the experience and class of the Wizards closed the game out. Despite all the talk (and the demolition at grading) Redlands came out of the blocks as if they were the favourites, playing with energy & determination. To be honest, the Wizards probably didn't play to potential (largely due to the excellent Redlands play) however never seemed to look worried by the scoreboard - and as close as Redlands came, with the last set of Wizards rotations the game inevitably swung their way.
Once they had their noses in front the Wizards looked composed, while Redlands simply couldn't find an answer.
All in all though it was a very entertaining game with Redlands really stepping up & Northside coming away with a hard fought & well deserved win.

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BBI By 11
SD by 11
NS By 3

Game reports?