U18 Boys Premier League 10/11

[Mr bEn]

New season, new thread.

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Does anyone know where the un18 boys classics are being held

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2011 State Championship Hosts Announced
Basketball Queensland would like to congratulate all the associations that have been selected to host the 2011 State Championships

U12’s – Northside Wizards
U14 Girls – Ipswich
U14 Boys – Brisbane
U16 Girls – Townsville
U16 Boys – Southern Districts
U18’s – Gold Coast

The hosts for the 2012 State Championships will be announced in the coming weeks.

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18s over 3 days again...muppets

[ALW]

18s over 3 days again...muppets

Yep not happy.

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18s over 3 days again...muppets

its 4?
29th 30th 1st 2nd?

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So, we all watched the NBA off-season free agency shenanigans, is there any news on off-season player moves for U18s this year?

I'll start the ball(s) rolling (and remember at this stage these are rumours - yet to be confirmed);

Ian Burns (Logan) to Southern Districts
Christian Lam (South West) to BBI

Any other rumours out there?

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Where will games be held? .
- Runaway bay isnt suitable, the courts arent good enough
- I though carrara was getting pulled down with the AFl dvelopment (its courts arent that crash hot either)

- So i assume maybe TSS, but where else?

[Emu]

Where will games be held? .
- Runaway bay isnt suitable, the courts arent good enough
- I though carrara was getting pulled down with the AFl dvelopment (its courts arent that crash hot either)

- So i assume maybe TSS, but where else?

Carrara (Still a couple of years away from being dozed) and Tallebudgera.

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Does anyone know where the un18 boys classics are being held
The always changing ever amazing, Blaze country isnt it?

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Carrara (Still a couple of years away from being dozed) and Tallebudgera.
Just hope it doesnt rain!

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Carrara (Still a couple of years away from being dozed) and Tallebudgera.

Carrara courts ok if using proper sized courts. Talle not competition standard, TSS only has 2 courts (top standard though, yes!).
Good one BQ putting the 18s into the worst stadiums for our top age competition. Not to mention parents have to travel distances to get from one stadium to the other. Good job BQ as always!!!!

[Gold Coast Al]

Carrara courts ok if using proper sized courts. Talle not competition standard, TSS only has 2 courts (top standard though, yes!).
Good one BQ putting the 18s into the worst stadiums for our top age competition. Not to mention parents have to travel distances to get from one stadium to the other. Good job BQ as always!!!!

18's require 6 courts in total.

Carrara will be using 3 courts (the proper sized courts) and Tallebudgera 3 courts (all regulation size). Tallebudgera courts were used for a very successful under 14 girls State Championships last year and there were zero complaints about the courts.

No matter where the 18's are held with no six court facility in South-East QLD there is going to be a need to travel between facilities for the 18's. My understanding is they will run them similar to last year with Logan/Browns Plains in which division 1 are based at one stadium and division 2 at the other with soem minor adjustments with plenty of time given if teams need to play at a different stadium within the same day.

In addition, you may actually find that some associations did not apply or want to host the 18's as they may have felt they do not have the volunteer man power or court availability to do so.

I think it is great that State Championships are on the Gold Coast again this year, up until last year it had been a very very long time (I believe over 10 years) since State Championships were held here.

All in all I am sure it will be a great championships and everyone will enjoy themselves.

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18's require 6 courts in total.

Carrara will be using 3 courts (the proper sized courts) and Tallebudgera 3 courts (all regulation size). Tallebudgera courts were used for a very successful under 14 girls State Championships last year and there were zero complaints about the courts.

No matter where the 18's are held with no six court facility in South-East QLD there is going to be a need to travel between facilities for the 18's. My understanding is they will run them similar to last year with Logan/Browns Plains in which division 1 are based at one stadium and division 2 at the other with soem minor adjustments with plenty of time given if teams need to play at a different stadium within the same day.

In addition, you may actually find that some associations did not apply or want to host the 18's as they may have felt they do not have the volunteer man power or court availability to do so.

I think it is great that State Championships are on the Gold Coast again this year, up until last year it had been a very very long time (I believe over 10 years) since State Championships were held here.

All in all I am sure it will be a great championships and everyone will enjoy themselves.

nothing wrong with Gold Coast

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nothing wrong with Gold Coast

Your right, great place to holiday.

Its basketball facilities are a little short though.

[Gold Coast Al]

Your right, great place to holiday.

Its basketball facilities are a little short though.

Certainly not as short as some places and they are actually improving from past years.....Carrara Stadium management are being very cooperative at the moment and are going about trying to fix a few issues at the moment (roof has been partially fixed for time being but will be permanently fixed soon and floors are being looked at with a view to having them upgraded in the near future) and we have a few really nice 2 and 3 court facilities which have been built in recent years or are being built down here.

In saying all of that in a few more years (2015 seems a likely finish date) and I would probably go as far as saying if things go according to plan (If the Gold Coast are awarded the 2016 Commonwealth games) the Gold Coast will have the best facilities for basketball in QLD and will be the envy of all other asscoiations in QLD (rumour has it the new facility will be a minimum of 6 courts but may possibly be 8 indoor courts with a show court seating around 4,500). Fingers crossed it all pans out!

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Your right, great place to holiday.

Its basketball facilities are a little short though.

"Tallebudgera courts were used for a very successful under 14 girls State Championships last year and there were zero complaints about the courts"

--- Shot clocks on the main courts are useless , they hang on the partitions between the courts. I doubt if people knew they even existed.
----lighting in the main courts after the sun goes down is not adequate.
--- 3rd court although probably regulation size has zero space on the sidelines and very poor ventilation
--- Car parking is hopeless on the weekends as the facility is right beside the beach. Be prepared for a long walk in.
--- worst of all, there is no bar ......

There probably were complaints but who would listen .....

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I am not having a go at GC, just stating my thoughts on the courts

We can only hope you get better facilities in the near future. I dont mind who has the facilities as long as queensland and basketball benefit. The more assocaitons with great facitlies only benefits us all

In all honesty the only places that you can really say have good facilties with numerous courts (by this i mean the actual courts, rings, backbords and reasonable seating)

- Toowoomba thanks to the University and the Pvt School
- Townsville - puprose bult so hard to complain
- Auchenflower - not bad for its age
- Logan - newest and the best as it stands (again purpose built)
- Boondall - not too bad

Am i missing anywhere?

Goldie really need to get TSS online for the tournament. those courts are sweet hence why ABA etc used to be played there.

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Certainly not as short as some places and they are actually improving from past years.....Carrara Stadium management are being very cooperative at the moment and are going about trying to fix a few issues at the moment (roof has been partially fixed for time being but will be permanently fixed soon and floors are being looked at with a view to having them upgraded in the near future) and we have a few really nice 2 and 3 court facilities which have been built in recent years or are being built down here.

In saying all of that in a few more years (2015 seems a likely finish date) and I would probably go as far as saying if things go according to plan (If the Gold Coast are awarded the 2016 Commonwealth games) the Gold Coast will have the best facilities for basketball in QLD and will be the envy of all other asscoiations in QLD (rumour has it the new facility will be a minimum of 6 courts but may possibly be 8 indoor courts with a show court seating around 4,500). Fingers crossed it all pans out!
Fantastic news for the Gold Coast. Definately helps that Anna was a Palmie chick and thats the benefit of your town nurturing competitive women. Not so much concerned about the facilities on the Coast in fact I'd love to coach just one game down the old hall before she goes, but did Burns or anyone consider just what the accomodation availability and pricing is down the Coast over any Easter??? I used to sub let my unit over Easter just to escape the manic traffic, crowds and tourists and pick up a few grand for a week of camping on some pointbreak over the border. Can understand that the crew at BQ are designated Brissos and wouldnt have a clue much less care about the costs and inconvenience to the "customers". Of course the draw wont be out till the last week so nobody will know just which venue they play the most games at and arrange their accom accordingly but with Burn's kid playing you can bet he'll be staying Sofitel on the BQ dime and those mere details wont mean a thing. For us mere underling customers trying to believe Larry's rhetoric about a user friendly sustainable sporting option and keep the game alive somehow, I can tell you for sure the prices havent lessened and the availabilty is still limited.
Would have preferred to see the Coast keep their powder dry and approach the Mayor and the Sports Industry taskforce there to stage a National Championships in a slightly more off peak timeslot and gain a much greater profile and benefit.

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Your right, great place to holiday.

Its basketball facilities are a little short though.

:bravo: couldn't have said it better

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So, we all watched the NBA off-season free agency shenanigans, is there any news on off-season player moves for U18s this year?

I'll start the ball(s) rolling (and remember at this stage these are rumours - yet to be confirmed);

Ian Burns (Logan) to Southern Districts
Christian Lam (South West) to BBI

Any other rumours out there?

Christian is moving to BBI, not sure about Ian though

[AOK]

Fantastic news for the Gold Coast. Definately helps that Anna was a Palmie chick and thats the benefit of your town nurturing competitive women. Not so much concerned about the facilities on the Coast in fact I'd love to coach just one game down the old hall before she goes, but did Burns or anyone consider just what the accomodation availability and pricing is down the Coast over any Easter??? I used to sub let my unit over Easter just to escape the manic traffic, crowds and tourists and pick up a few grand for a week of camping on some pointbreak over the border. Can understand that the crew at BQ are designated Brissos and wouldnt have a clue much less care about the costs and inconvenience to the "customers". Of course the draw wont be out till the last week so nobody will know just which venue they play the most games at and arrange their accom accordingly but with Burn's kid playing you can bet he'll be staying Sofitel on the BQ dime and those mere details wont mean a thing. For us mere underling customers trying to believe Larry's rhetoric about a user friendly sustainable sporting option and keep the game alive somehow, I can tell you for sure the prices havent lessened and the availabilty is still limited.
Would have preferred to see the Coast keep their powder dry and approach the Mayor and the Sports Industry taskforce there to stage a National Championships in a slightly more off peak timeslot and gain a much greater profile and benefit.

Mate the U 18 Classics aint over Easter, so theres one theroy shot to bits.

Burns youngest son don't even play anymore and he is too old for U18 now.

Check your facts omce in awhile and use the enter key between paragraphs and your posts would be a lot better.

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Logan, Boondal, Sunny coast are good. Logan and Boondal probably too isolated.
Then back to SW then a big drop back to the rest. Whats happened to BBI's floors?

[Fly]

Boondall never available over May weekend. Some volleyball tourney runs from 8am to 10 for the 3.5 days using Boondall, Nudgee and a few other places.

And I heard they wanted 5 courts minimum to run 18s.


Kind of funny that someone thinks Ian Burns is son of BQ man, cracked me up. Obviously there's someone who knows what they're talking about...

[Gold Coast Al]

And I heard they wanted 5 courts minimum to run 18s.

...

Actually 6 are needed.

If it was 5 Gold Coast would look at using TSS with Carrara.

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so many good guards, will there be enough ball for all. Lots of size and depth. Both gold and silver will make premier league. First prediction both teams in top 5 at classics. But should/could have done the same last year.

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Top 4 Teams

BBI
NS
SD
Ippi

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Top 4 Teams

BBI
NS
SD
Ippi

Looks down list, Ippy bahahaha

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BBI state champs from under 16s, lots of top agers, depends how they split the bottom age talent
Wizards played div 1 last year, good top agers plus 3 state under 16s
Spartans short on top age players, 3 good bottom age state players not enough
Ippi will struggle for depth

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Heard that Mick Redman and Zane Meehl are heading up Maroocydore's 18 boys this coming season. Mick won a Classics a few years back as an assistant and Zane will definately be getting input from his old man's experience with the age group. Current Clipper Michael Goff and Ex Clippers Stika Kenny and Brock Shakespeare also getting involved. Havent heard of any "name" players but you can bet they will be firing with that level of coaching.

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Heard that Mick Redman and Zane Meehl are heading up Maroocydore's 18 boys this coming season. Mick won a Classics a few years back as an assistant and Zane will definately be getting input from his old man's experience with the age group. Current Clipper Michael Goff and Ex Clippers Stika Kenny and Brock Shakespeare also getting involved. Havent heard of any "name" players but you can bet they will be firing with that level of coaching.

I think they will be firing for sure - in Div 2.

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I think they will be firing for sure - in Div 2.
Cant be the best every year...

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Maroochydore trialled 10 yesterday with 2 bigs away with AFL commitments. Everyone of them could make it and theres a few standouts. Mick and Zane have got a strong nucleus to rebuild a program from. Typical Clippers style with fit athletic guys who run and shoot the lights out and with Gianni coming onboard now the Clippers influence will soon become apparent.

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Div 1 will be

BBI Caps
Northside Wizards
Southern Districts
Sw Pirates
Gold Coast
Ipswich
BBI Silver
Logan

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Players listed below:
Ian Burns
Josh Derksen
Jules Decourtenay
Nico Gryparis
Elliott Mundy
Simon Maloney
James Brackenbury
Guy Web
James Grffin
Ben Stower
Matthew Denman
Mitch Roetteler
Harry Nicholson
Cade Towers

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Archie smith
oscar lin
steve fogarty
nick chia
henry cunningham
jon roth
jacob wilson
tim weigh
jack buffington
christian lam
rafael mathiuet
nick dickinson
justin shultz
dom valvardre
artur schnieder
jacob stalder
mitch casey
chaz grace
richard prendergast
nicholas sell
max quinlan ward

forgot the others about 25 28 all up

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So more cuts to come from both teams? Since i count 14 for districts and you sayy 25 odd at BBI?

[Spartans new policy]

The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

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Bravo
The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

[Gold Coast Al]

The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

That is great to hear! Hopefully more associations will follow along this path to help slow down the ever increasing 'grass is greener' mentality which is growing in basketball, especially here in QLD.

There are so many players swapping associations these days at the drop of a hat, and an increasing amount of coaches trying to attract other association players to their own (and sadly this has probably snowballed in recent times as coaches lose their own 'homegrown' players and they feel the only option is to fight back and attract other associations players to replace them). It all appears a little out of hand.

Gold Coast Basketball has a very similar policy in place and require junior players to qualify (mark is 65% of regular season games) in the season prior to reps in our local comp before they can be selected for Gold Coast rep teams, and if they do not meet the criteria they must provide a good reason and some verification as to why they should be exempt from this rule (ie have moved house, injury, school committments, other committments etc).

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The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

so are you saying if you have kids come to your assoc from another and play rep for one year then they decided to go back to there previous assoc the following year these kids will not be allowed back to spartans??? also do you allow kids to play club at other assoc not just yours??

[Pretty sure]

The policy put in place when you read it says no they will not be able to return unless playing within local competition the previous season. Yes players can play at other Associations (as well) but it is about who you want to represent. No more jumping to suit "grass is greener" metality allowed. Those that have elected to represent another Association have made a decision and we wish them well. As one door closes another door opens for both players left behind and those who elect to leave. The senior programs will focus on using those that want to be here all the time. It is about a player having a committment and focus that encompasses the team is everything mentality.

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so are you saying if you have kids come to your assoc from another and play rep for one year then they decided to go back to there previous assoc the following year these kids will not be allowed back to spartans??? also do you allow kids to play club at other assoc not just yours??

"Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well."

Translated: see you later, good luck , dont call us .......

Your scenario is exactly what this is trying to prevent, players jumping from one Association to the next then back again.
This enforces some loyalty and will make anyone who leaves deal with the long term affects of that decision.

I also believe that there is a required comittment to the Club program at SD to be eligible to play at Rep Level.

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"Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well."

Translated: see you later, good luck , dont call us .......

Your scenario is exactly what this is trying to prevent, players jumping from one Association to the next then back again.
This enforces some loyalty and will make anyone who leaves deal with the long term affects of that decision.

I also believe that there is a required comittment to the Club program at SD to be eligible to play at Rep Level.

thanks just wanted to check as we are deciding where to go next as former loyal players of logan and like this idea very much leaving for those exact reasons.

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[QUOTE=Spartans of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.[/QUOTE]



Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't Josh, Nico, Mitch and Ian all come from other associations because they perceive the "grass to be greener".

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Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't Josh, Nico, Mitch and Ian all come from other associations because they perceive the "grass to be greener".

Yes they have decided to join but they have also decided to stay!!

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yes but when you look at it josh came from Towoomba and that association don't play div one, so i can understand why josh has moved on, but as for ian, he is just moving around and around trying to find the next best thing, this shows he has no loyalty, first south west, then logan, and now on to spartans. lucky that this is his last year or he could have been to every association in South East.

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yes but when you look at it josh came from Towoomba and that association don't play div one, so i can understand why josh has moved on, but as for ian, he is just moving around and around trying to find the next best thing, this shows he has no loyalty, first south west, then logan, and now on to spartans. lucky that this is his last year or he could have been to every association in South East.

Oh piss off, if you think Ian doesn't know anything about loyalty then you don't know the kid at all. In all my dealings with him recently in tournament teams and from feedback from past Rep players I've been impressed with how humble and conscious of "team" Ian is. If he has a flaw it's probably he tries too hard to fit in and please everyone he thinks he should...not exactly what you'd expect from a mercenary who changes assocs at the drop of a hat is it?

I really shouldn't come back here and feed the trolls, but I couldn't let this one go past without comment...

Chris Smith
Coach - Bayside Kings

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Yes they have decided to join but they have also decided to stay!!

Who makes the call that those trialling aren't staying?????

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yes but when you look at it josh came from Towoomba and that association don't play div one, so i can understand why josh has moved on, but as for ian, he is just moving around and around trying to find the next best thing, this shows he has no loyalty, first south west, then logan, and now on to spartans. lucky that this is his last year or he could have been to every association in South East.

Why would Ian want to stay at Logan when chances are they will end up in div 2?

Why wouldn't you want to put your child in the best position for them to improve their game?
If moving associations is the best thing to do, I don't see why not?

Allan, every association that has programs in place for the players charge money. This being said, they should be making a profit.

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Yes they have decided to join but they have also decided to stay!!

The point is if every assoc did this kids would think twice before moving they have to right to move as long as its for the right reason if your unhappy you shouldnt want to go back . Then kids from both sides dont get jipped by drifters

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The future is for us

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.
All looks good on the surface and the intent is probably good. SD have been copping enough flak about the number of players transferring there and an association that needs every paying spectator they can get to keep their SEABL program alive doesnt need any more negative publicity.
Couldnt help read it another way but just for a second. It could be saying "If you want to be part of basketball in Qld in the future then you better join SD now before its too late?" I mean, if you read the bendoes infomercials you would believe that its SD that will be the new Bullets franchise etc and the only place to play.
Anyway good to think good things and that SD have made a move to stem ridiculous "player transfers" when they are really just kiddies. Now if the other Associations took a similar line and all said "And if you trial at Districts and dont make the cut or dont like it-then you cant play here" we would see the practice decrease dramatically.
Its still a shame but that SD are able to guarantee kids a spot in a state team if they transfer there (and also other Associations who have their personnell on the BQ payroll), but BQ are the only ones who can fix that. Whats the chances?

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Why would Ian want to stay at Logan when chances are they will end up in div 2?

Why wouldn't you want to put your child in the best position for them to improve their game?
If moving associations is the best thing to do, I don't see why not?

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Maybe if the child is so good they could really improve and stand out by taking their team to PL? This way is just saying "I want to be in the team photo of the team thats winning"

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Maybe if the child is so good they could really improve and stand out by taking their team to PL? This way is just saying "I want to be in the team photo of the team thats winning"

And maybe every player is doing what they can to put themselves in the best position to go to college in the usa. HECS is a killer!

[AOK]

The future is for us

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So there can be no confusion for those players/parents who are considering options for 2011 onwards.

Junior players identified trying out for other Associations are advised that they will not be considered for our BQJBC teams. We accept everyone has a right to play where they want but we wish to remain loyal to those players who select our program over the "grass may be greener mentalty" that is creeping into our sport. We want those families and players that want to represent us at all times to undertsand they are what we are about.

Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.

Juniors who have been involved in our senior programs but elect to represent another junior club will no longer be allowed to try out for our senior teams the following season.

This Association puts a lot of time and effort into the senior program and players not willing to be part of the pathway we again thank you for you past efforts and wish you well in your senior years within other teams and competitions.

The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.

I know BBI have had a similiar policy for awhile now. If kids want to play there they must meet the criteria and all transfering kids and familys are aware of this.

Personally I am all in favor of stopping the "shopping around" that seems to come out this time of year. If all associations made similiar rules I think this practice would be just about eradicated. Genuine transfers by kids that meet the criteria set out above would require a committment by the family/kid tot their new association.

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Quote "All looks good on the surface and the intent is probably good. SD have been copping enough flak about the number of players transferring there and an association that needs every paying spectator they can get to keep their SEABL program alive doesnt need any more negative publicity."

What negative publicity. Probably most financial club in south through marketing to sponsors with great media support. SEABL is alive and well with Districts looking to be only Queensland team in new NBL second tier competition from 2012.


Quote "Couldnt help read it another way but just for a second. It could be saying "If you want to be part of basketball in Qld in the future then you better join SD now before its too late?" I mean, if you read the bendoes infomercials you would believe that its SD that will be the new Bullets franchise etc and the only place to play."

Districts definately have nothing to do with BQ adminsitration. First off they are not even fully affiliated. Second they have removed QAS?ITC from stadium so have no involvement inState program. They have elected to do new programs that are generating results. They are now fastest growing Association in Queensland. They even got a grant from State Government in recognition to what they are doing in community. As far as Bullets thing goes you have no idea. Bullets were dead in water but they decided to get involved after being told they were not part of NBL. BQ had it under control we were continually told. What rubbish. Maybe someone who was at meeting can explain what happened to this uninformed individual. BBI & Districts put hands up to help get NBL back in Brisbane. SWM & Logan (Fair enough they have WNBL) did not get involved. Wizards, Ipswich and Caboolture didn't even turn up so what does that say to media and sponsors. Did your club turn up?


Quote "Anyway good to think good things and that SD have made a move to stem ridiculous "player transfers" when they are really just kiddies. Now if the other Associations took a similar line and all said "And if you trial at Districts and dont make the cut or dont like it-then you cant play here" we would see the practice decrease dramatically."

All that has been said is make a choice. Listen to what is being said by many others. It was time for someone to make a stand. If you do not make our teams yes if another Association wants you go and play for them. If you keep playing here in domestic competition then you are welcome to try out next year. It is the better players who have "grass is greener this year" that Districts are not willing to have involved.


Quote "Its still a shame but that SD are able to guarantee kids a spot in a state team if they transfer there (and also other Associations who have their personnell on the BQ payroll), but BQ are the only ones who can fix that. Whats the chances?[/QUOTE]

This is just rubbish and people know it. Districts in 2011 only have one person involved in State team coaching staff that I am aware of. Who are you saying is on BQ payroll. You need to check the staff of late.


Trust this now clears up your concerns. Please check the facts before responding. A simple apology will do.

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interseting all the chat this year is about who may want to try out for spartans. what about the amount of abundant talent that has also decided to move on from the spartans experience? over the past couple of seasons as much chat about who decided to move on. all about timing!

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what are some peoples predictions for classics? and what are the teams up north looking like?

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???

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The point is if every assoc did this kids would think twice before moving they have to right to move as long as its for the right reason if your unhappy you shouldnt want to go back . Then kids from both sides dont get jipped by drifters

We could also take away our democratic society and have a police state, stop QBL, NBL players from switching clubs. It would make for an exiciting competion every year the same players on every team every year.

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???


Whys does it take "balls" to punish a 16 year old boy for trialling somewhere else? It's only basketball for god's sake. If these "unwritten rules" were published and common knowledge and not just invoked when it was convenient to ruin somebody, then fine. It's a sad state of affairs that some people are so overjoyed to see a young man penalised.

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Agreed why shouldn't kids see what team suits them and what they might bring to a different tram. Seems a shame to punish a kid for doing what lots of kids have done in the past. How boring to have to play with the same team all your life and boring for spectators as well!

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Whys does it take "balls" to punish a 16 year old boy for trialling somewhere else? It's only basketball for god's sake. If these "unwritten rules" were published and common knowledge and not just invoked when it was convenient to ruin somebody, then fine. It's a sad state of affairs that some people are so overjoyed to see a young man penalised.

Associations always make up rules to suit them at the time, then make special allowances and change the rules to suit themselves. If you are going to have a rule, write it into your by-laws and stick with it.

[Gold Coast Al]

The Gold Coast top side has been selected as:

Jarrod Gamble
Matthew Shingles
Zack Frankland
Michael Katipa
Tom Golden
Dillon Benstead
Matt Gullota
Aaron Devine (bottom ager)
Tyler Allen (bottom ager)
Brodie Munson (bottom ager)

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???

Yes, congratulations on losing your starting point guard, I'm sure your 'big balls' will be so much better for it when you fail to qualify for Premier League... A round of applause for Redlands everybody!

(Oh, and I do believe that the player in question has been selected in the Wizards #1 team & will be playing for them this season, so I'm pretty sure the move will do him more good than harm)

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???

Hey Guys,
I wouldn't usually post here but someone told me about what was being said and I just wanted to make the record straight. First of all Redlands did not drop me, lets just get that straight.Yes they (redlands) found out I was trailing at Northside, but in no way to did I ever lie to them at any stage. Daniel the head of Redlands called under 18s Redlands coach (rob) and told him that he had to take me out of the team due to this 'rule' that no one at Redlands including rob as heard about. Rob told my Dad that it was not a rule he ever heard of and it was fine with him for me to come to training and play in practice matches but if I went to another trial I would be out of the team. A week before the next trail I told everyone in my team including rob that I would withdrawing myself out of team so that they can move people up to the team and have more time to get ready etc.

I would really like to thank Rob for all his support, I really admire him as a coach and person.
Also like to thank people at Redlands for the past two years they have been great.
I think it would be great if the rule was in writing so players know about it and its law not just appear in some cases.
Hopefully Redlands can play wizards :)
Thanks,
Dylan Desmarchelier

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Hey Guys,
I wouldn't usually post here but someone told me about what was being said and I just wanted to make the record straight. First of all Redlands did not drop me, lets just get that straight.Yes they (redlands) found out I was trailing at Northside, but in no way to did I ever lie to them at any stage. Daniel the head of Redlands called under 18s Redlands coach (rob) and told him that he had to take me out of the team due to this 'rule' that no one at Redlands including rob as heard about. Rob told my Dad that it was not a rule he ever heard of and it was fine with him for me to come to training and play in practice matches but if I went to another trial I would be out of the team. A week before the next trail I told everyone in my team including rob that I would withdrawing myself out of team so that they can move people up to the team and have more time to get ready etc.

I would really like to thank Rob for all his support, I really admire him as a coach and person.
Also like to thank people at Redlands for the past two years they have been great.
I think it would be great if the rule was in writing so players know about it and its law not just appear in some cases.
Hopefully Redlands can play wizards :)
Thanks,
Dylan Desmarchelier



Dylan,

You are not the only one to be caught unawares by this 'rule' and BQ needs to take a stance so it is clear to everyone.

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Something does not sound right here.
The rule has always been at Redlands that if a player triails for Redlands and is selected in the team , then they trial elswhere they will be dropped from that team.
The rule has been in Redlands since first joining the BQJBC and has been invoked on at least 4 other occasions since then, another player from the other u18's team was dropped for the same reason earlier than Dylan.

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I believe Redlands have dropped one of their chosen u18 boys. After having being picked in their team some time ago this boy was found to be trialling at Wizards. Bravo Redlands lets hope that Wizards show the same balls and not let this kid progress any further. What would he have done if selected in the Wizards???

I can confirm that Dylan gave his coaches and peers at redlands notice that he would be removing himself from the Redlands list. This was done well before Wizards had selected their teams for this upcoming season.

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I have to say Dylan getting on here and telling it as is is, is the best thing I've read on Bendoes in a long time. If the associations have these rules how is it even the coaches don't know them. I agree it is a BQ issue, these secret rules have to be in writing. but I have to say if the program is producing kids like Dylan then alls good.

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Something does not sound right here.
The rule has always been at Redlands that if a player triails for Redlands and is selected in the team , then they trial elswhere they will be dropped from that team.
The rule has been in Redlands since first joining the BQJBC and has been invoked on at least 4 other occasions since then, another player from the other u18's team was dropped for the same reason earlier than Dylan.

The first problem with the 'rule' is that it does not appear in writing, anywhere. Not in the player or parent information pack, or any other material handed out to representative players at Redlands. It has never been mentioned at trials, during the selection process or even once the teams have been selected.

The second problem is that the rule is inconsistently applied. I know of a player last year in U16s who was trialling elsewhere, again made no secret about it, however was still selected in the Redlands team (he did end up playing elsewhere). In the end though Dylan has ended up making the right choice for him - Northside will be a Premier League contender, Redlands may not make even make it. Northside will also be stronger as well, the addition of Dylan makes both their back court a formidable unit (that matches their equally impressive front court).

The main problem with this whole 'grass is greener' thing is that the player and the parents, as well as the associations involved, should be more concerned about the welfare/needs of the player than the association. Here's a case study for you all...

A player, let's say his name is Johnno, is a guard, not a starter but still a regular contributor because his coach likes to play 'small ball' because the association hasn't had a lot of bigs. Then, the next season, a whole bunch of bigs trial at the association & a new coach who likes to focus all his plays around inside players takes the coaching job. Johnno quickly works out that while he'll still make the team, chances are his minutes are going to reduce significantly and his development may suffer as the bigs are now more of a focus at training and in games.

Now, is it wrong for Johnno to trial at another association where his style of play may be better utilised, or where his development would be continued?

I am pretty sure that most of the players mentioned here already - Dylan, Ian, Christian etc - have changed associations because they (or their families) decided that it would be better for them (the player) in the long run. Personally, I see no problem in a player changing associations (as my case study highlights) because team rosters, coaches and other situations change. Give the kids a break, let them ball and get on with enjoying the season to come...

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The first problem with the 'rule' is that it does not appear in writing, anywhere. Not in the player or parent information pack, or any other material handed out to representative players at Redlands. It has never been mentioned at trials, during the selection process or even once the teams have been selected.

The second problem is that the rule is inconsistently applied. I know of a player last year in U16s who was trialling elsewhere, again made no secret about it, however was still selected in the Redlands team (he did end up playing elsewhere). In the end though Dylan has ended up making the right choice for him - Northside will be a Premier League contender, Redlands may not make even make it. Northside will also be stronger as well, the addition of Dylan makes both their back court a formidable unit (that matches their equally impressive front court).

The main problem with this whole 'grass is greener' thing is that the player and the parents, as well as the associations involved, should be more concerned about the welfare/needs of the player than the association. Here's a case study for you all...

A player, let's say his name is Johnno, is a guard, not a starter but still a regular contributor because his coach likes to play 'small ball' because the association hasn't had a lot of bigs. Then, the next season, a whole bunch of bigs trial at the association & a new coach who likes to focus all his plays around inside players takes the coaching job. Johnno quickly works out that while he'll still make the team, chances are his minutes are going to reduce significantly and his development may suffer as the bigs are now more of a focus at training and in games.

Now, is it wrong for Johnno to trial at another association where his style of play may be better utilised, or where his development would be continued?

I am pretty sure that most of the players mentioned here already - Dylan, Ian, Christian etc - have changed associations because they (or their families) decided that it would be better for them (the player) in the long run. Personally, I see no problem in a player changing associations (as my case study highlights) because team rosters, coaches and other situations change. Give the kids a break, let them ball and get on with enjoying the season to come...

This makes sense to me and remember-the association in this scenario did not say "no" to the new players to protect their current players court time and in a real scenario they wouldn't either. Both associations and players want the best for themselves so let them get on with it. Loyalty must run both ways-it doesn't and it won't because that would stunt the growth of the sport...so it should be a free market all round.

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Ill play devils advocate as i can see this from both sides.

If kids hedge the bets and trial at more than one assocaition then they take a risk. If they think one sitatuion will be better for them than another, then why trial at the 'other' assocation at all?

You cant expect an assocaition to wait for the kids choice, they need to select a team and move on with thier program. Kids either want to be apart of that (even if in a limited role eg reduced min) or not.

Just out of curioisty if Dylan hadnt made Northside, he would have been out of a team altogether by the sounds of it. I do applaud him being upfront though with both parties and explaining the sitatuion. However given he obviosuly thought NS was the better fit, i fail to understand why he would trial at redlands at all? Redlands now need to find a new guard after they have trialled (and cut by the sounds of it). This is hardly fair on the Redlands TEAM meaning also the other kids and thier welfare, not just the association. Plus no assocaiton wants to be a fallback assocation for kids that dont make it elsewhere. That dosent send a good message to thier own juniors

Kids have the right to change assocations and trial elsewhere, there is no doubt about it. But they also should be aware that there may be consequences with that (whether written or not ) especailly if they trail at more than on assocation in the same year. Otherwise you have to question which program they want to be involved in.

Whilst there is no CBA (collective bargaining agreement) in junior sports everyone just wants a fair outcome for all eg players and assocations. There will never be an exact balance so there is no point everyone carrying on about it. However we all need to accept you cant have the best of both worlds and actions always have consequences whether they are for the better or worse

So can we all talk real baskbetball on the forums rather than venting our grievances.

Just a thought

PS- Good luck Dylan at NS and Good luck to Redlands on finding a suitable replacement.

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talking about NS does anyone know who is in there div 1 team??

[Fly]

yes.

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Ill play devils advocate as i can see this from both sides.

If kids hedge the bets and trial at more than one assocaition then they take a risk. If they think one sitatuion will be better for them than another, then why trial at the 'other' assocation at all?

You cant expect an assocaition to wait for the kids choice, they need to select a team and move on with thier program. Kids either want to be apart of that (even if in a limited role eg reduced min) or not.

Just out of curioisty if Dylan hadnt made Northside, he would have been out of a team altogether by the sounds of it. I do applaud him being upfront though with both parties and explaining the sitatuion. However given he obviosuly thought NS was the better fit, i fail to understand why he would trial at redlands at all? Redlands now need to find a new guard after they have trialled (and cut by the sounds of it). This is hardly fair on the Redlands TEAM meaning also the other kids and thier welfare, not just the association. Plus no assocaiton wants to be a fallback assocation for kids that dont make it elsewhere. That dosent send a good message to thier own juniors

Kids have the right to change assocations and trial elsewhere, there is no doubt about it. But they also should be aware that there may be consequences with that (whether written or not ) especailly if they trail at more than on assocation in the same year. Otherwise you have to question which program they want to be involved in.

Whilst there is no CBA (collective bargaining agreement) in junior sports everyone just wants a fair outcome for all eg players and assocations. There will never be an exact balance so there is no point everyone carrying on about it. However we all need to accept you cant have the best of both worlds and actions always have consequences whether they are for the better or worse

So can we all talk real baskbetball on the forums rather than venting our grievances.

Just a thought

PS- Good luck Dylan at NS and Good luck to Redlands on finding a suitable replacement.

Unfortunately, I have had similar to my son some years ago (with regards to player movement) my son played in one association all his rep career, he missed out playing in a premier league side due to 3/4 kids coming in from other assoc. These kids did not come over to better themselves, they came to win state championships, in fact the boy that took my sons spot went back to his original assoc the next year and then tried to come back the year after that. All he wanted to do was win championships, in our case the coach was as much to blame as the player and our assoc for letting it happen. So all this hooey about kids wanting to better themselves may be the case in some situations but certainly not all.

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Come on Fly spill the beans,I'm sure it's a ripper.

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yes.

piss funny

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Come on Fly spill the beans,I'm sure it's a ripper.

i know too

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yes.

Fly is one funny guy! Y'all will have to wait until grading Haha!!!!!!

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Unfortunately, I have had similar to my son some years ago (with regards to player movement) my son played in one association all his rep career, he missed out playing in a premier league side due to 3/4 kids coming in from other assoc. These kids did not come over to better themselves, they came to win state championships, in fact the boy that took my sons spot went back to his original assoc the next year and then tried to come back the year after that. All he wanted to do was win championships, in our case the coach was as much to blame as the player and our assoc for letting it happen. So all this hooey about kids wanting to better themselves may be the case in some situations but certainly not all.

sounds like you and your son need to wake up to the reality of your sons playing ability/inability and skills if he was replace by "3/4 kids coming in from other assoc"...

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The first problem with the 'rule' is that it does not appear in writing, anywhere. Not in the player or parent information pack, or any other material handed out to representative players at Redlands. It has never been mentioned at trials, during the selection process or even once the teams have been selected.

The second problem is that the rule is inconsistently applied. I know of a player last year in U16s who was trialling elsewhere, again made no secret about it, however was still selected in the Redlands team (he did end up playing elsewhere). In the end though Dylan has ended up making the right choice for him - Northside will be a Premier League contender, Redlands may not make even make it. Northside will also be stronger as well, the addition of Dylan makes both their back court a formidable unit (that matches their equally impressive front court).

The main problem with this whole 'grass is greener' thing is that the player and the parents, as well as the associations involved, should be more concerned about the welfare/needs of the player than the association. Here's a case study for you all...

A player, let's say his name is Johnno, is a guard, not a starter but still a regular contributor because his coach likes to play 'small ball' because the association hasn't had a lot of bigs. Then, the next season, a whole bunch of bigs trial at the association & a new coach who likes to focus all his plays around inside players takes the coaching job. Johnno quickly works out that while he'll still make the team, chances are his minutes are going to reduce significantly and his development may suffer as the bigs are now more of a focus at training and in games.

Now, is it wrong for Johnno to trial at another association where his style of play may be better utilised, or where his development would be continued?

I am pretty sure that most of the players mentioned here already - Dylan, Ian, Christian etc - have changed associations because they (or their families) decided that it would be better for them (the player) in the long run. Personally, I see no problem in a player changing associations (as my case study highlights) because team rosters, coaches and other situations change. Give the kids a break, let them ball and get on with enjoying the season to come...
Gee mate with case studies and all and scenariois around court time I never once saw anything about the kid playing with a "team" of guys and doing his "developing" by learning to fit in a role and earn the respect of his peers and all the other things young guys used to like about playing sport together. Very "me-centric" dont you think?
All this talk sounds like they are pro players or future Boomers or something when the realitry is that if they arent at the AIS and/or havent made the Emus for next years worlds yet there's a pretty strong probability they arent going to the heights your projecting. Maybe hooking in and building a team and an association's 'culture' is the best mark they will leave on the game in their playing time? Have a great time playing as part of a team and create a place in an Association where their kids and grandkids will be welcomed on the strength of their contribution? Ours is an amateur sport with a very small semi pro and even smaller pro contingent.
Reality check.

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Gee mate with case studies and all and scenariois around court time I never once saw anything about the kid playing with a "team" of guys and doing his "developing" by learning to fit in a role and earn the respect of his peers and all the other things young guys used to like about playing sport together. Very "me-centric" dont you think?
All this talk sounds like they are pro players or future Boomers or something when the realitry is that if they arent at the AIS and/or havent made the Emus for next years worlds yet there's a pretty strong probability they arent going to the heights your projecting. Maybe hooking in and building a team and an association's 'culture' is the best mark they will leave on the game in their playing time? Have a great time playing as part of a team and create a place in an Association where their kids and grandkids will be welcomed on the strength of their contribution? Ours is an amateur sport with a very small semi pro and even smaller pro contingent.
Reality check.

Yep, 16 & 17 year old kids will sit on the bench everyweek, put up with a rubbish coach or obnoxious team mates ( and pay through the nose for the pleasure) for the sake of their grandkids.

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Gee mate with case studies and all and scenariois around court time I never once saw anything about the kid playing with a "team" of guys and doing his "developing" by learning to fit in a role and earn the respect of his peers and all the other things young guys used to like about playing sport together. Very "me-centric" dont you think?
All this talk sounds like they are pro players or future Boomers or something when the realitry is that if they arent at the AIS and/or havent made the Emus for next years worlds yet there's a pretty strong probability they arent going to the heights your projecting. Maybe hooking in and building a team and an association's 'culture' is the best mark they will leave on the game in their playing time? Have a great time playing as part of a team and create a place in an Association where their kids and grandkids will be welcomed on the strength of their contribution? Ours is an amateur sport with a very small semi pro and even smaller pro contingent.
Reality check.

Exactly spot on. It is just kids playing in a local competition, no where near the standards set in Victoria. They might be talented but so are many other kids across Aust. Big fish in a small pond.

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So when are associations going to spill the beans on thier teams. So far only Districts has posted?

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So when are associations going to spill the beans on thier teams. So far only Districts has posted?

bbi, gold coast and logan have team lists up.

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Alright here is what we know so far

[b]Logan Thunder (18 boys PL) [b]
Peter Nichols
David Stone
Brad Meechan
Brad Saul
Joshua Pitman
Chris McMillan
Zac Dunfree-Scott
Michael Manego
Rodger Morris
Luke Beaver
Joshua Apete
Jordan Day

[b]Districts[b]
Ian Burns
Josh Derksen
Jules Decourtenay
Nico Gryparis
Elliott Mundy
Simon Maloney
James Brackenbury
Hoani Walker-Tepania
James Griffen
Ben Stower
Matthew Denman
Mitch Roetteler
Harry Nicholson
Cade Towers

[b]Brisbane[b] (doesnt look like there Gold/Silver are split yet)
Toby Abernethy
Cooper Breen
Jack Buffington
Mitch Casey
Nick Chia
Henry Cunningham
Nick Dickinson
Steven Fogarty
Chaz Grace
Ben Harwin
Oscar Lin
Christian Lam
Rafael Mathiuet
Declan Pang
Ranko Puseljvic
Jon Roth
Justin Schultz
Nick Sell
Archie Smith
Jakob Stalder
Dominic Valmadre
Tim Weigh
Jacob Wilson

Cant find GCs, Wizrds, ipswich, Mdores or SW

[roller]

The Gold Coast top side has been selected as:

Jarrod Gamble
Matthew Shingles
Zack Frankland
Michael Katipa
Tom Golden
Dillon Benstead
Matt Gullota
Aaron Devine (bottom ager)
Tyler Allen (bottom ager)
Brodie Munson (bottom ager)

gold coast team

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Yep, 16 & 17 year old kids will sit on the bench everyweek, put up with a rubbish coach or obnoxious team mates ( and pay through the nose for the pleasure) for the sake of their grandkids.
And the 16/17 yr old kid is qualified to know what constitutes a 'rubbish" coach?...or is that just your slant? And your coaching knowledge and experience is...?
Be interesting to find if his new coach is considered rubbish and if he finds his new teammates obnoxious. I reckon if coach makes the kid the focus of everything and tells you what you want to hear he'll be considered a champion coach.
Kids earn respect from their peers. It's definately not given on demand.
Comes a time in any persons life where they have to accept they are not the centre of the universe and will have to learn to gel and be accepted by others. Actually junior sport is a great place to start.

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[Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.


The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.[/QUOTE]



Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???

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I count 14 players in the spartans?

What was Hoani trialing somewhere else?

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guy webb was on the list instead and he replaced guy.

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[Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.


The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.



Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???[/QUOTE]

the mighty $$$$ speaks louder than any policy apparently... word is that Hoani and few other Spartan imports are being 'sponsored' to play there, it has nothing to do with loyalty or policy... big QUESTION here... how do the other Spartan families feel knowing that imports have been bribed (opps sorry slip of the fingers typing) I mean sponsored to play there when their sons are missing out on positions their sons are quite capable of filling.

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Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???

the mighty $$$$ speaks louder than any policy apparently... word is that Hoani and few other Spartan imports are being 'sponsored' to play there, it has nothing to do with loyalty or policy... big QUESTION here... how do the other Spartan families feel knowing that imports have been bribed (opps sorry slip of the fingers typing) I mean sponsored to play there when their sons are missing out on positions their sons are quite capable of filling.[/QUOTE]

Thats a fairly large and serious accusation to make, especially from some one using an anonymous login. Suggest you back up your story with some solid evidence.

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the mighty $$$$ speaks louder than any policy apparently... word is that Hoani and few other Spartan imports are being 'sponsored' to play there, it has nothing to do with loyalty or policy... big QUESTION here... how do the other Spartan families feel knowing that imports have been bribed (opps sorry slip of the fingers typing) I mean sponsored to play there when their sons are missing out on positions their sons are quite capable of filling.

Thats a fairly large and serious accusation to make, especially from some one using an anonymous login. Suggest you back up your story with some solid evidence.[/QUOTE]

game fees paid... or rego paid... or uniforms bought... one or more of these kind acts from well meaning 'sponsors' is my point here. Come on do not say it hasn't been done before and that it is not being done today...

by the way this is a public forum and I apologise to Hoani and his family for using his name here.

Perhaps these boys shouldn't be sharing info with their friends on their public blog sites.

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I have heard of a family getting 'sponsored' this year for a few children playing Rep at spartans. I wondered how the full paying families feel about this? Also not having to play club games as well. Is this fair?

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While I certainly don't agree with 'sponsoring/recruiting' within junior sport, I do think there are situations where subsidies and support is genuinely warranted. As with most of these discussions, there very many shades of grey.

If a family is in genuine need of assistance and the absence of that assistance would preclude their children from playing, I would hope that our society hasn't lurched so far to the right that we would kick those kids out (BQ - is anybody home?). After all, they are kids and it is just sport.

Of course, such a scheme/system is open to abuse but that comes with the territory. How many NBA/WNBA players would be where they are without the US collegiate and high school scholarship system? I'm sure there are plenty of examples of coaches/schools/clubs doing the wrong thing but that's why they create rules!!

Interestingly apparently the VJBL approved a motion overnight ot limit the number of clearances TO a particular club to 2 per season (not sure whether a club is a team or a club) but sounds like one way of stemming the flow (if in fact that is what we need to do).

Personally I think the only way to guarantee kids dont leave your club in droves is to develop the best program you can (quality coaches, good facilities, excellent value for money). If you've done that and they still leave then you'll most likely wish them well. Mind you, they probably wont be interested in leaving either!

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[Players who elect to move "grass is greener" we thank for past efforts and wish them well.

Also so all are aware we are also adopting the policy of only using home grown players (under 20 and below) currently playing within our competition to support our senior programs in future.


The Association is no longer going to use players from other programs in front of players within our own program. To play for us you have to be playing in our competitions and/or programs.



Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???[/QUOTE]

Read it again, it is saying that they will not take players from other clubs over SD locals for SENIOR TEAMS , old mate Hoani is now a SD Junior therefore making him available for the Senior program (and a free pair of socks if he is lucky)

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Tell me how if this is the policy that Hoani is now a Spartan???

Read it again, it is saying that they will not take players from other clubs over SD locals for SENIOR TEAMS , old mate Hoani is now a SD Junior therefore making him available for the Senior program (and a free pair of socks if he is lucky)[/QUOTE]

And as a junior he will have access to the senior programs being established at Carina. Say what you want (please no more arguments) but SEABL on a week to week basis is considered by most to be a much better standard in which to play, if a player has serious intentions of moving to NBL while staying at home in Queensland. We in the south do not have NBL in Brisbane and the Brisbane Spartans are where players will want to play to be exposed to the bigger and better Australian powerhouse clubs.
Yes QBL has players making the jump but SEABL has a lot more.
This may be a one off move by a player getting close to senior ranks or it just may be the start of a flood, with the better juniors, who want a chance and are not identified by AIS seeing another way to get there.
If it is the start of the flood then we are about to see Districts with 2 teams in Premier League on a regular basis as they develop a pathway to SEABL for young players. No one can say they have not been clear about the intent in using juniors.
Districts obviously are placing huge resources into SEABL and have a right to make clear to those who aspire to use it as a way to the top that they must be at club in junior ranks. I am sure they will grab players over the years who do not jump in juniors when it suits them but it is going to be on a young players mind now Districts have made a stand.
What I do not understand is why BBI, Gold Coast and even (perhaps) Wizards are not trying to be in SEABL as well. We all understand in 2012 (I hear) the SEABL will be the second tier of all basketball in Australia behind the NBL. Surely Queensland will have at least 2 teams for young players to increase the pathway of pursuit/dreams.

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I have heard of a family getting 'sponsored' this year for a few children playing Rep at spartans. I wondered how the full paying families feel about this? Also not having to play club games as well. Is this fair?

Not only can you move to Spartans you can get into Div 1 without trialling and knocking out 2 loyal juniors that have played club and rep at Spartans for a number of years,
So how do you become loyal enough for SEABL???
Going from /18's to Seabl is a joke do GBL for a season or two then maybe make the SEABL team.
sounds to me like someone has made rash decisions about what constitutes loyalty without looking at finer points like loyalty to juniors first.

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Not only can you move to Spartans you can get into Div 1 without trialling and knocking out 2 loyal juniors that have played club and rep at Spartans for a number of years,
So how do you become loyal enough for SEABL???
Going from /18's to Seabl is a joke do GBL for a season or two then maybe make the SEABL team.
sounds to me like someone has made rash decisions about what constitutes loyalty without looking at finer points like loyalty to juniors first.

Big boys do not cry. Either you are good enough or not if you are serious about playing in SEABL. Districts do not play under 20 nor dev league (same as BBI I think) electing to use GBL and local A grade competition as part of the greater program. Those people who choose not to follow have made a choice. Not an issue, but when you are building an elite program you need to start as low down (age group) as possible. We will see who is wrong and who is right over next few years but I am guessing players currently at college when returning to south east who do not have an NBL gig organised and still desire to play at highest level will move to Spartans.
Just makes sense as you will get exposed to more then the local community. Someone who may be sitting at 9 or 10 on bench in first team of under 18 will really not have a problem moving to starting line up of second team. I am sure they will be happy to get the playing time. Given Districts are looking to get to the situation where they have 2 teams in premier league within 5 years in all age groups those suggesting loyalty is lost are talking about players who will have been 19th and 20th.
These guys will still be eligble to be part of GBL and A grade support structure so will still have access to overall program. If they are younger juniors they will have the next year to do some real training to push for higher placing in age group structure for next years team. For some this may be a blessing.
This is just not about under 18 with Districts targeting the younger age groups in a serious manner. Hopefully by raising the bar with many programs they will have within 5 years 2 teams in premier league coming through from under 12 age groups. Just maybe south Queensland is just starting to see the future emerging where we have lots of clubs getting serious about junior sport which will stop the jumping so we are all tough and capable just like the vics.

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Big boys do not cry. Either you are good enough or not if you are serious about playing in SEABL. Districts do not play under 20 nor dev league (same as BBI I think) electing to use GBL and local A grade competition as part of the greater program. Those people who choose not to follow have made a choice. Not an issue, but when you are building an elite program you need to start as low down (age group) as possible. We will see who is wrong and who is right over next few years but I am guessing players currently at college when returning to south east who do not have an NBL gig organised and still desire to play at highest level will move to Spartans.
Just makes sense as you will get exposed to more then the local community. Someone who may be sitting at 9 or 10 on bench in first team of under 18 will really not have a problem moving to starting line up of second team. I am sure they will be happy to get the playing time. Given Districts are looking to get to the situation where they have 2 teams in premier league within 5 years in all age groups those suggesting loyalty is lost are talking about players who will have been 19th and 20th.
These guys will still be eligble to be part of GBL and A grade support structure so will still have access to overall program. If they are younger juniors they will have the next year to do some real training to push for higher placing in age group structure for next years team. For some this may be a blessing.
This is just not about under 18 with Districts targeting the younger age groups in a serious manner. Hopefully by raising the bar with many programs they will have within 5 years 2 teams in premier league coming through from under 12 age groups. Just maybe south Queensland is just starting to see the future emerging where we have lots of clubs getting serious about junior sport which will stop the jumping so we are all tough and capable just like the vics.

So what you are finally saying is that loyalty is expected from your good players but if a "maybe" better player comes along don't expect the same loyalty from your club-suck it up go to 2nd team with an amateur coach and be happy about it.

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So what you are finally saying is that loyalty is expected from your good players but if a "maybe" better player comes along don't expect the same loyalty from your club-suck it up go to 2nd team with an amateur coach and be happy about it.

You really have no idea do you what Districts is doing. Greg Vanderjagt is no second rate coach. Greg will run a great second team squad that will work with the first team staff and also GBL and on going the SEABL program. Do not judge us by your standards. We are trying to make a difference at all levels. In the women programs Rebecca Stephens is one of the best up and coming womens coaches around working with Tony Stephens the under 18 womens head coach. Time people remembered that it is not a right to play this great sport at a high level but a privilege. You earn the privilege through hard work sometimes over a lengthy period of time.

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My little club rewards kids effort with the occasional McDonalds voucher! Maybe we too can have a champion team if we were a little more liberal with the free Big Macs and fries!

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Read it again, it is saying that they will not take players from other clubs over SD locals for SENIOR TEAMS , old mate Hoani is now a SD Junior therefore making him available for the Senior program (and a free pair of socks if he is lucky)

And as a junior he will have access to the senior programs being established at Carina. Say what you want (please no more arguments) but SEABL on a week to week basis is considered by most to be a much better standard in which to play, if a player has serious intentions of moving to NBL while staying at home in Queensland. We in the south do not have NBL in Brisbane and the Brisbane Spartans are where players will want to play to be exposed to the bigger and better Australian powerhouse clubs.
Yes QBL has players making the jump but SEABL has a lot more.
This may be a one off move by a player getting close to senior ranks or it just may be the start of a flood, with the better juniors, who want a chance and are not identified by AIS seeing another way to get there.
If it is the start of the flood then we are about to see Districts with 2 teams in Premier League on a regular basis as they develop a pathway to SEABL for young players. No one can say they have not been clear about the intent in using juniors.
Districts obviously are placing huge resources into SEABL and have a right to make clear to those who aspire to use it as a way to the top that they must be at club in junior ranks. I am sure they will grab players over the years who do not jump in juniors when it suits them but it is going to be on a young players mind now Districts have made a stand.
What I do not understand is why BBI, Gold Coast and even (perhaps) Wizards are not trying to be in SEABL as well. We all understand in 2012 (I hear) the SEABL will be the second tier of all basketball in Australia behind the NBL. Surely Queensland will have at least 2 teams for young players to increase the pathway of pursuit/dreams.[/QUOTE]

Like you said people are still making the jump from QBL to NBL that is good. I dont think that too many teams from brisbane and queensland for that matter are going to put a team into the SEABL comp. The Nomination cost, Payed players, and on top of that the extensive amount of travel that the club would have to do is very costly. They can save this money by having the players drive to most games and go on a road trip 2 times a season. If the player has what it takes they will make it.

also remember that there are not many professional teams in the NBL these days and trying to get a gig is tough no matter where you are playing.

now that you have seen most of the team lists any wanna make predictions on top premier league teams???

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And as a junior he will have access to the senior programs being established at Carina. Say what you want (please no more arguments) but SEABL on a week to week basis is considered by most to be a much better standard in which to play, if a player has serious intentions of moving to NBL while staying at home in Queensland. We in the south do not have NBL in Brisbane and the Brisbane Spartans are where players will want to play to be exposed to the bigger and better Australian powerhouse clubs.
Yes QBL has players making the jump but SEABL has a lot more.
This may be a one off move by a player getting close to senior ranks or it just may be the start of a flood, with the better juniors, who want a chance and are not identified by AIS seeing another way to get there.
If it is the start of the flood then we are about to see Districts with 2 teams in Premier League on a regular basis as they develop a pathway to SEABL for young players. No one can say they have not been clear about the intent in using juniors.
Districts obviously are placing huge resources into SEABL and have a right to make clear to those who aspire to use it as a way to the top that they must be at club in junior ranks. I am sure they will grab players over the years who do not jump in juniors when it suits them but it is going to be on a young players mind now Districts have made a stand.
What I do not understand is why BBI, Gold Coast and even (perhaps) Wizards are not trying to be in SEABL as well. We all understand in 2012 (I hear) the SEABL will be the second tier of all basketball in Australia behind the NBL. Surely Queensland will have at least 2 teams for young players to increase the pathway of pursuit/dreams.

Like you said people are still making the jump from QBL to NBL that is good. I dont think that too many teams from brisbane and queensland for that matter are going to put a team into the SEABL comp. The Nomination cost, Payed players, and on top of that the extensive amount of travel that the club would have to do is very costly. They can save this money by having the players drive to most games and go on a road trip 2 times a season. If the player has what it takes they will make it.

also remember that there are not many professional teams in the NBL these days and trying to get a gig is tough no matter where you are playing.

now that you have seen most of the team lists any wanna make predictions on top premier league teams???[/QUOTE]

I am replying to the first part of the blog, what about 12 posts ago about the grass being greener and Districts not allowing juniors from other assoc. jumping across and supporting the "local" kids???

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When did bendoes become the offical site for Spartans. Sure takes the heat off the other guys.

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Spartans parent/s don't only pay for their son to have good team mates.
But for Leroy to coach.
Pretty obvious whose going to make the team and probably start.

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Spartans parent/s don't only pay for their son to have good team mates.
But for Leroy to coach.
Pretty obvious whose going to make the team and probably start.

are you saying someone is paying leroy ?? i think thats a load of crap

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are you saying someone is paying leroy ?? i think thats a load of crap

your fees must be high then

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your fees must be high then

Spartans wouldn't be paying him but someone else might?

Spartans are one of the more expensive associations to play at.

Talking of fees, who's paying what at each association this year?

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Spartans wouldn't be paying him but someone else might?

Spartans are one of the more expensive associations to play at.

Talking of fees, who's paying what at each association this year?

Someone else is paying him to coach at spartans
And this persons son plays in the age group.

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Someone else is paying him to coach at spartans
And this persons son plays in the age group.

thought this was common knowledge by now. same thing was happening two years ago at south west with same people.

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Brisbane teams are up

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Ian Burns
Josh Derksen
Jules Decourtenay
Nico Gryparis
Elliott Mundy
Simon Maloney
James Brackenbury
Hoani Walker-Tepania
James Griffin
Matthew Denman
Cade Towers

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You really have no idea do you what Districts is doing. Greg Vanderjagt is no second rate coach. Greg will run a great second team squad that will work with the first team staff and also GBL and on going the SEABL program. Do not judge us by your standards. We are trying to make a difference at all levels. In the women programs Rebecca Stephens is one of the best up and coming womens coaches around working with Tony Stephens the under 18 womens head coach. Time people remembered that it is not a right to play this great sport at a high level but a privilege. You earn the privilege through hard work sometimes over a lengthy period of time.

So who is in the second team since it matters so much?

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So who is in the second team since it matters so much?

I beleive that is why there is a whole thread dedicated to Southern Cup....

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so whos not going to make premier this year?

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After reading so much about transfers between different associations I thought that maybe a system based on points per transferred player maybe a workable solution e.g

Each Team within the PL is allocated 6 points for the transfer of players at the start of each season , the points would be allocated across all age groups (excludes U12) .

3.5 Points
State Rep (any state within Australia)

2.5 Points
Top aged Rep player transferring into new association i.e. Bottom aged u18 transferring to top aged u18

2 Points
Bottom aged Rep player transferring into new association i.e. previous U16 transferring into U18

This would limit the amount of transfers to 2 or possibly 3 per team per year and will stop the practice of blocks of players moving from one Club to the other.
System would be administered by BQ and would form part of the transfer system that BQ has ultimate control over anyways.
BQ would ensure that each team is under the 6 point limit before the commencement of the season.
Points may not be carried over but if not fully allocated but maybe utilised during the course of the season, this would cater for players transferring in from Interstate mid season.

I'm sure that there are flaws within this but as a starter this maybe worth discussion as this issue is always contentious and keeps coming back time and again.

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whos on northside this year?

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Brisbane team
GOLD TEAM
Nick Chia
Henry Cunningham
Nick Dickinson
Steven Fogarty
Oscar Lin
Christian Lam
Rafael Mathiuet
Jon Roth
Justin Schultz
Archie Smith
Jacob Wilson

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Sw metro
U18 Boys Gold

Robert Sullivan
Nick Fane
Kian Fonua
Keenan Stepanicic
Milan Ninkovic
Stephen Kiir
Jordan Plumridge
Bruce Lee
Sam Voss
Lliam Compton

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Sw metro
U18 Boys Gold

Bruce Lee


Awesome...best name ive seen so far

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Does anybody know when the state trials commence?

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Does anybody know when the state trials commence?

that would be last sunday

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So where was that advertised, who turned up and do you know when the next trial is?

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it wasnt a state trial just a development camp
only about 12 guys turned up.

it was on bq site spose nobody sore it

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State trials have NOT begun.

I was a 5 star camp....not state trials.

im sure they will be palstered all over BQ website once announced, so keep an eye on that